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Jack Thompson's Open Letter To Bono

In an open letter addressed to the U2 vocalist Bono, Jack urges a "fellow brother in Jesus Christ" not to proceed in a buyout of Take-Two and its GTA franchise. We are looking forward to read Bono’s reply to this, if he will reply at all that is…

Re: Your Possible Purchase of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.
Dear Bono:

I write you as a fellow brother in Jesus Christ, appreciative of your bold witness to the transforming truth of the Gospel, in both your words and your deeds. You daily "fight the good fight," serving Him as salt and as light in an unbelieving world. You inspire other Christians to confront the "culture of death" that surrounds us all, and I thank you. Because of what you do, it is easier for me to do what I have been called to do.

I write to encourage you, respectfully and in a spirit of brotherly love, not to purchase Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. It is reported in the New York Post and in the San Francisco Chronicle that your Elevation Partners is engaged in talks to do just that. See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/07/EDGU9GJD7D1.DTL

Allow me to provide some of the reasons why I make this fervent suggestion:

1. I appeared on CBS' 60 Minutes twice last year on behalf of two Alabama police officers and a dispatcher killed by a teen who trained on Grand Theft Auto: Vice City to kill them. We are now proceeding toward trial in our wrongful death action on their families' behalf, buoyed by three affidavits sworn to by experts who have testified before the US Congress as to this copycatting phenomenon that the American Psychological Association in August 2005 says is now irrefutably proven.

Thus, if you buy Take-Two and its Grand Theft Auto franchise, you will be buying a Mature-rated murder simulator marketed and sold to teen that has been linked by law enforcement officials to numerous, specific, provable copycat killings around the country. I have appeared on roughly 70 national television programs, including NBC's Today show eight times, recounting the causation of these copycat events. More such events are on the way. Take-Two, whoever owns it, will have to deal with those pigeons when they come home to roost in the months and years ahead. Indeed, the most recent such incident tying Take-Two to murder was found in the 18-year-old Jacob Robida who went from carving up homosexuals in a "gay bar" in New Bedford, Massachusetts, to a "sucide by cop" shoot-out in Gassville, Texas. Three lay dead. Robida was an obsessive gamer, whose games included, according to detectives in Massachusetts, the Grand Theft Auto games whose scenarios he replicated precisely.

In fact, the above-noted Chronicle editorial which encourages you not to buy Take-Two mentions the Oakland, California, gang called the "Nutcases," which used Take-Two Grand Theft Auto III as a carjacking and murder simulator. The older gang members trained the younger ones with the Take-Two game in order to both show how to carjack and to get "pumped up" to carjack. Said one perpetrator in jail: "We played the game by day and lived the game by night."

I could cite to you dozens of similar incidents that tie GTA to murder. Is this what you want to own, along with all its coming liabilities, both legal and spiritual?

2. Take-Two has, in its most recent 10-K disclosure statement filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, lied to the investment community about the nature of its potential liabilities. For example, here we are proceeding toward trial in Alabama, most likely in January 2007, and yet Take-Two has told the investment community in its January 31, 2006, 10-K that our Alabama wrongful death action is utterly without merit. That is a lie, and a provable lie. Take-Two, therefore, is lying to the same SEC that busted it for fraudulent accounting practices, to the tune of $8 million in 2005, for "parking violations" in misstating the number of games it had sold. The SEC is also investigating Take-Two for insider trading. Are you relying upon Take-Two's own assessment of the validity of those federal investigations?

Secondly, Take-Two has agreed to indemnify all other corporate defendants in the Alabama case for any verdict amounts against them. Did the Take-Two principals with whom your Elevation Partners is negotiating disclose that? Those co-defendants whose verdicts Take-Two has promised to reimburse include Wal-Mart and GameStop (who sold the Mature-rated games to a minor) and also Sony. Take-Two has agreed to this remarkable indemnification plan in a state-Alabama-that the Wall Street Journal reports has the highest verdicts against corporate defendants in the nation. Why are the verdicts so high? Because Alabama has a wrongful death statute, held constitutional, which grants money damages to bereaved plaintiffs not actual damages but solely punitive damages that are to be high enough to make sure that the corporate defendants will never do what they did again. Do you think a jury in Alabama, in the town in which their cops, with whom the townsfolk were on a first-name basis, are going to cut a break for the company that trained their killer how to kill them more efficiently. Alabamians are proud to say they are "the buckle of the Bible Belt." They don't like companies that facilitate the murder of cops.

Did Take-Two tell Elevation Partners about the real dangers to the very survival of Take-Two because of the Alabama suit? Did they also tell Elevation fully about the multiplicity of current fraud and also criminal investigations of Take-Two that are currently in full-swing? I am working with those investigations. You all need to talk to me to find out what a real danger is that they pose to Take-Two, despite the fraudulent assertions in the recent 10-K that they are all "without merit." That is akin to saying that AIDS poses no threat to life. Ridiculous.

The market knows that they have merit, which is precisely why Take-Two stock has plummeted.

3. Sony and Take-Two designed the GTA: Vice City game to utilize the PS2's Dual Shock controller, which sends a visceral jolt back into the hands of the player each time he kills. Thus, the entire system is a biofeedback, operant conditioning system which desensitizes the user to the act of killing. Skinner would be proud. It is right out of his playbook.

As you know, Elevation Partners has a strong relationship with Pandemic Studios, which designed Full Spectrum Command/Full Spectrum Warrior for the US Department of Defense at the Institute for Creative Technologies at USC. The primary purpose of this virtual reality simulator is to "suppress the inhibition to kill of new recruits." If you doubt that, then please contact Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, retired Army Ranger, former professor at West Point, nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, and identified by President Clinton as "the one man America should listen to as to why Columbine happened" through his www.killology.com. Three hundred or more days a year Grossman addresses police and military personnel about the psychological cost of killing and how virtual reality is used to get people to kill. I have addressed the American Bar Association with Col. Grossman, on the same stage, twice. He and I are brothers in Christ and brothers on this issue.

How, then, can Take-Two claim that its killing simulators do not desensitize teens to the act of killing when the video game industry, especially your partner, Pandemic, takes taxpayer dollars from the DOD to design games that do just that, biofeedback controls and all?

You recently shared the cover of Time with Microsoft's Bill Gates as two of its "Persons of the Year." Good for all three of you. I assume you think Gates a man of intellect. Here is what he said recently on 60 Minutes: "These action games transport you to a world you think is real." Exactly. That is why they are dangerous.

Brain scan studies at Harvard University, Indiana University, Michigan State University, and elsewhere prove that teens process these killing games in a different part of the brain than do adults, which is why copycatting is far more likely to occur by them. I was even portrayed in a Law and Order: SVU episode last year called "Game" in which teens were copycatting the Grand Theft Auto games in killing women by running over them with cars and then stomping them to death, as the 60 Minutes story itself showed. Thus, even Hollywood knows of the murderous power of the GTA game franchise you are negotiating to buy.

4. Take-Two is set to release in 2006 a game called Bully. This is a Columbine simulator that allows a student in a virtual school, whose slogan is "Dog Eat Dog," to bludgeon his classmates and teachers with bats to "settle scores." Every expert on bullying who is aware of the content of this game has called on Take-Two not to release, so sure are they that Bully will spawn more school violence. Is that what you want to be affiliated with?

Take-Two has lied to the public about what is actually in this game, which lie is proven by the images in screenshots which I have been provided by an industry source. I can hear Take-Two saying to you, Bono, if I were to show you these clandestine screenshots, "Who are you going to believe, Bono; us or your lying eyes?"

5. The Apostle Paul tells us in the Bible (2 Corinthians) that believers must not be "unequally yoked" to unbelievers. You, a devout Christian, cannot be yoked to these Mature-rated murder simulators fraudulently, deceptively, and aggressively marketed to children. It will serve as a refutation of your Christian twitness, which is precisely what even the secular-minded San Francisco Chronicle has identified as the incongruity of your being yoked with such an enterprise.

If you want to believe Take-Two that it does not want kids to buy these Mature-rated killing games, then why does Take-Two have its lawyers in court rooms across America alleging that children have a "First Amendment right" to buy these Mature-rated games? Hmmm? As Forrest Gump might say, "Stupid is as stupid does."

One of the plaintiffs in our 60 Minutes-reported Alabama case is Steve Strickland, an ordained Methodist minister. Bono, you need to talk to him and to me about the incredible evil that Take-Two has knowingly dumped into the lives of young people. Steve lost his brother to the virtual-to-reality mayhem caused by Take-Two. The bestselling author, Malcolm Gladwell, has explained in his book Blink why the killing video games lead boys to kill in "the blink of an eye." Jesus himself warned: "If any of you should cause one of these little ones to stumble, then it would be better for you that a millstone be tied around your neck and that you be cast into the uttermost depths of the sea."

Unless you, Bono, and your Elevation Partners plan to buy Take-Two for the purpose of incinerating the Grand Theft Auto games and the other murder simulator titles that Take-Two owns, such as Manhunt, which caused a hammer-bludgeoning death in Leicester, England and which has been banned for sale even to adults in Australia and New Zealand, then you will be tying a millstone around your own neck.

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Bono, I could go on, as there is much more to tell you, but you get the idea. We need to meet. You need to hear what I know and what Take-Two will not tell you and the others at Elevation Partners about what their true liabilities are. There is a reason that Take-Two's CEO Paul Eibeler was voted by MarketWatch "The Worst American CEO in 2005." Paul Eibeler is a liar who got caught lying to the world in the "Hot Coffee" mod scandal." Take-Two buries in its aforementioned 10-K, in Section 7, that there might be more "Hot Coffee" material in other Take-Two games that are already out there. Did Take-Two tell you that?

I prepped Senator Hillary Clinton for her July 2005 news conference on the Hot Coffee matter. I convinced her that what I and others were saying about Take-Two was true. She went with it, and three days later the ESRB proved to the world that I had told her the truth. The US House of Representatives voted 355-21 to condemn and investigate Take-Two for its fraud. That FTC investigation is in full swing, and yet Take-Two tells the world in its 10-K that the multiplicity of shareholder derivative actions based on this proven fraud are baseless. Even King Canute had the sense not to order the tide not to come in. Take-Two's tide will come in, and it will drown Elevation Partners.

Bono, whom are you going to believe as you make a decision whether to buy Take-Two? Are you going to believe the liars who got caught lying, or are you going to believe a fellow believer in Christ who has been targeted for actual harm by Take-Two and its dissembling Philadelphia lawyers at Blank Rome?

Let me tell you about that, in conclusion. I received yesterday a letter from the Justice Department informing me that it has opened a criminal investigation of the efforts, involving Take-Two and its giant Philadelphia law firm, Blank Rome, to violate criminal statute 18 USC 241 in order to harass me into silence about Take-Two.

I could fill another ten pages with descriptions of the criminal activity by Take-Two and Blank Rome toward me, but I can tell you about all that if and when we meet.

I am trying to keep you, dear brother, from being run over by a careening bus. I do this to help you. A brother in Christ has now warned you. Now, do the right thing, in His powerful name I pray.

In Jesus Christ, Jack Thompson

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Reply #1 on: February 09, 2006, 08:22:05 PM

What do you want to bet Bono never receives a copy of that letter?
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Reply #2 on: February 09, 2006, 08:30:57 PM

Bono would sell his soul for a dollar. I bet he wipes his ass with the letter before he bothers reading past the part where it says "don't buy Take 2."
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Reply #3 on: February 09, 2006, 08:48:17 PM

I bet the letter goes into the paper recycler with all the rest of Bono's snail mail, in order to make a few shillings more. Even paper pulp is profitable when it amounts to megatons per week.

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Reply #4 on: February 09, 2006, 08:59:37 PM

I'm betting Jack never even sent Bono a copy of the letter.  Remember all those official complaints that he "CCed" his victims on but never actually sent to the authorities?  Yeah.

Even if a copy actually did get sent to Bono, I imagine he has a secretary or something that filters out letters from nutjobs.
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Reply #5 on: February 10, 2006, 01:50:10 AM

I really, really want to comment on that letter, but it'd all come out wrong and offensive in all manner of ways.

2 things :

1 - This guy is quite clearly mentally ill.  Why is it that you guys are unable to get people commited once they pull the God Card ?
2 - "We need to meet".  Jack, Jack, Jack - after reading your letter, there's no way in hell Anyone, except those who are equally mentally ill, would wish to meet you.

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Reply #6 on: February 10, 2006, 04:38:57 AM

I loved this bit in particular...

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3. Sony and Take-Two designed the GTA: Vice City game to utilize the PS2's Dual Shock controller, which sends a visceral jolt back into the hands of the player each time he kills. Thus, the entire system is a biofeedback, operant conditioning system which desensitizes the user to the act of killing.

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Reply #7 on: February 10, 2006, 04:41:08 AM

Actually I loved this bit even more...

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Bono, whom are you going to believe as you make a decision whether to buy Take-Two? Are you going to believe the liars who got caught lying, or are you going to believe a fellow believer in Christ who has been targeted for actual harm by Take-Two and its dissembling Philadelphia lawyers at Blank Rome?

...specifically for the suggestion that lawyers from *Philadelphia* are especially ammoral.

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Reply #8 on: February 10, 2006, 06:49:32 AM

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killed by a teen who trained on Grand Theft Auto: Vice City to kill them.
Apparently he ran up on the curb in a ferrari knock-off, plowing over several civilians before pulling out a flamethrower and shouting something about getting a police uniform. He was ultimately foiled by the fact that cars and weapons aren't controlled with a gamepad.
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You all need to talk to me to find out what a real danger is that they pose to Take-Two, despite the fraudulent assertions in the recent 10-K that they are all "without merit." That is akin to saying that AIDS poses no threat to life.
Classy.
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Take-Two is set to release in 2006 a game called Bully. This is a Columbine simulator that allows a student in a virtual school, whose slogan is "Dog Eat Dog," to bludgeon his classmates and teachers with bats to "settle scores."
Real bullies become crappy lawyers.

As ridiculous as blaming video games for violence is, I found the christian overtones very troubling. I don't like their whole exclusive mindset, that there are two kinds of people: good christians and sinners who will burn for eternity because our book says so (sort of). That is an unacceptable mindset in the modern world, christian, muslim or FSM.

And...Bono is buying Take 2? Odd.
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Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 09:24:56 AM

As ridiculous as blaming video games for violence is, I found the christian overtones very troubling. I don't like their whole exclusive mindset, that there are two kinds of people: good christians and sinners who will burn for eternity because our book says so (sort of). That is an unacceptable mindset in the modern world, christian, muslim or FSM.

The 'Christian overtones' amounted to the guy saying 'Hey, believe me because we share the same faith', the same way that we might tell someone IRL or on another message board in an argument about jaded gamers, 'Hey, believe me, I'm a regular poster on f13'.  (Christianity being a much more widely known group than f13, notwithstanding)

As far as the 'two kinds of people' thing, many religions are like that.  The atheist religion says there are 2 kinds of people too, 'atheists' and 'fing nutjobs'.  It's a built-in part of human psychology to define ourselves in terms of 'Us and Other'.  In any case, the whole of the membership of a religion varies on their treatment of the Other, likely on a bell curve, since that's the way of things...  Just as there are muslims who have friends/spouses of other faiths, and muslims who blow themselves up in groups of other faiths, individual Christians vary between hiding their faith so as not to offend Others, and laughing while screaming 'You're gonna BURN, fool!'.

An accurate reading of the Bible(and probably the Koran, too, tho I've never read it) indicates that neither position is correct according to God.  To avoid being preachy, I'll stop there.

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Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 09:29:39 AM


 'Hey, believe me, I'm a regular poster on f13'. 



Seriously, who says this ?

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Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 09:34:50 AM


 'Hey, believe me, I'm a regular poster on f13'. 



Seriously, who says this ?

Probably no one, I was having a hard time coming up with an example.  Perhaps, 'in the same way other people say, 'Hey, I'm Italian too' or Puerto Rican or Jamaican or any other grouping of people, in an attempt to gain credibility/respect/aid/whatever' would have been a better example.

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Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 09:55:48 AM


And...Bono is buying Take 2? Odd.

Bono is part of an investment group called Elevation Partners which has invested in a number of software companies, including the one I work for.

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Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 10:08:07 AM

This thread has caused me to realize something very significant about the world around me and it's workings and that is:

Bono has too much fucking money.

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Reply #14 on: February 10, 2006, 11:08:24 AM

Dear Jack,

Seek help. Seriously.

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Reply #15 on: February 10, 2006, 11:13:43 AM

Show me a successful businessman with good ethics and I'll show you a lousy judge of ethics.

The way he quotes those studies shows not only that people draw poor conclusions from good data, but also that reputable scientists are publishing lousy studies. 

I think that covers it for me.

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Reply #16 on: February 10, 2006, 11:16:10 AM

I still want justice for the long string of Clue™ murders. Can't even bring a candlestick on the plane anymore.
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Reply #17 on: February 10, 2006, 01:40:19 PM

I'm no fan of Rockstar, but my faith really has nothing to do with it. I just think a few of the games they have made are totally classless. GTA:III was a solid game, and I didn't mind that one. Manhunt was ridiculous, and this Bully game just seems to hit too close to home for the exact problem that they nutjobs are claiming. Being a crazy gun-weilding mob dude tooling around a fictional city jacking cars and smacking hoes, that's pretty out there in the fantasy land. Playing a bully in a school that beats the shit out of everyone? That may cross a line I'd rather not go down.

Jack Thompson is a nutjob. It hurts the argument against Rockstar by having him as a spokesman. Now he's trying to use my faith to pimp his agenda. THAT pisses me off more than anything, and he's not the only one guilty of it in this day and age. It's all too common from the top down.

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Reply #18 on: February 10, 2006, 03:06:03 PM

...specifically for the suggestion that lawyers from *Philadelphia* are especially ammoral.

There's a reason we refer to Philadelphia as "New Sodom", you know.
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Reply #19 on: February 11, 2006, 07:20:23 AM

Philadelphia may be a dump, but it's certainly not the "New Sodom." That would probably be SanFran or something.

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Reply #20 on: February 11, 2006, 01:30:18 PM

It was editors in Philadelphia that proclaimed Baltimore a "a new Sodom" in 1812. Presumably Big Gulp is from Baltimore and still sore about it.

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Reply #21 on: February 11, 2006, 01:35:28 PM

It was editors in Philadelphia that proclaimed Baltimore a "a new Sodom" in 1812. Presumably Big Gulp is from Baltimore and still sore about it.

I think we need to cut down your American history intake.

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Reply #22 on: February 11, 2006, 03:39:56 PM


All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu.  This is the truth!  This is my belief! At least for now...
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Reply #23 on: February 11, 2006, 04:04:35 PM

Righ made a funny, whether he meant to or not.  Rimshot

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Reply #24 on: February 11, 2006, 04:28:48 PM

Jack Thompson is a nutjob. It hurts the argument against Rockstar by having him as a spokesman. Now he's trying to use my faith to pimp his agenda. THAT pisses me off more than anything, and he's not the only one guilty of it in this day and age. It's all too common from the top down.

To be fair, he presumably really believes all this nonsense, so actually he's using *his* faith, only he's labouring under the misapprehension that because he uses the same name for his faith as Bono does, they must naturally believe *exactly* the same thing about everything. I'd agree that this is a very common misapprehension ofc.

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Reply #25 on: February 11, 2006, 08:58:23 PM

Jack Thompson is a nutjob. It hurts the argument against Rockstar by having him as a spokesman. Now he's trying to use my faith to pimp his agenda. THAT pisses me off more than anything, and he's not the only one guilty of it in this day and age. It's all too common from the top down.

I know someone who used his faith to pimp his agenda....
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Reply #26 on: February 11, 2006, 11:10:29 PM

Jack Thompson is a nutjob. It hurts the argument against Rockstar by having him as a spokesman. Now he's trying to use my faith to pimp his agenda. THAT pisses me off more than anything, and he's not the only one guilty of it in this day and age. It's all too common from the top down.

I know someone who used his faith to pimp his agenda....

I made that allusion simply because stating the obvious while true will only send things spiralling into a forum I never visit.

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Reply #27 on: February 12, 2006, 01:18:43 AM

Jack Thompson is a nutjob. It hurts the argument against Rockstar by having him as a spokesman. Now he's trying to use my faith to pimp his agenda. THAT pisses me off more than anything, and he's not the only one guilty of it in this day and age. It's all too common from the top down.

I know someone who used his faith to pimp his agenda....

I made that allusion simply because stating the obvious while true will only send things spiralling into a forum I never visit.

You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

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Reply #28 on: February 13, 2006, 09:32:04 AM

Jack Thompson is a nutjob. It hurts the argument against Rockstar by having him as a spokesman.

And it hurts the gamer's argument by having Rockstar as a spokeman for free speech in games. Because really, they are fucking retards who make good games but should NEVER EVER be put forward as the paragons of free speech. You know, like Luke Skywalker, or Larry Flynt. These aren't people that give a shit about free speech so long as no one is bothering them about making their Snuff Film Interactive.

And keep in mind, I LIKE Rockstar Games as a developer of games. They just make shitty decisions about content and try to play the martyr when people call them on it. If Jack Thompson wasn't such an obvious member of the Batshit Insane HairPiece for Men, it would be hard to defend Rockstar's track record.

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