Schild doesn't like WoW

[Ironwood]

That'd be you.

But I wasn't calling you a catass.  I was saying that there's grading of stereotypes even within the gaming geek community.  It's also usually totally misrepresented.

Just like the whole /pizza advertising thingy.

[schild]

Pizza Hut could become the biggest pizza chain in the world ten times over if they got /pizza into WoW.

[Righ]

However, since its Blizzard, its likely that they would include a favored local pizza shop and say "delivery not available outside OC".

[Yegolev]

I was on a server with a high Asian/European population and even higher guild drama quotient (The Nameless. Legacy of Steel's home server) in Everquest.  Nothing since has made me hate people as much, not even AC2's Darktide server.

As a Nameless alumnus, I agree.  I almost had to learn Chinese and I still gave up before level 40.  On the other hand, asians have a hard time detecting manginas.

I have less respect in general for Blizzard after hiring someone whose handle is a joke you might find funny when you are thirteen... and letting him use it in company correspondance.

You must have not played Diablo2 enough.

Truly, battle.net is much worse than anything I have ever experienced in a MMOG.

I might dislike WoW more if I was able to log in.

[schild]

From Slashdot:

Next Generation is running a piece entitled Why PC Gamer Kicked Out Gold Farmers. Editor-in-chief Greg Vederman talks about why they decided to no longer accept advertising from 'Gold Farming' services for Massively Multiplayer games like World of Warcraft. Though there are moral grounds for this decision, it contrasts with a Eurogamer piece on the negative reactions Chinese players recieve on English-speaking servers. From that article:"Apparently there is a common belief among English speaking players that most non-English speakers are gold farmers and are only playing for commercial gain. As a result, players are asking anyone who wants to join a group to type one or two sentences in English. If the sentences contain spelling or grammar mistakes, the player is rejected. Since you have to join groups to complete certain quests in WOW, this is presenting many Chinese players with a serious problem."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Fuckers.

"I want join big american party."

[Alkiera]

Next Generation is running a piece entitled Why PC Gamer Kicked Out Gold Farmers. Editor-in-chief Greg Vederman talks about why they decided to no longer accept advertising from 'Gold Farming' services for Massively Multiplayer games like World of Warcraft. Though there are moral grounds for this decision, it contrasts with a Eurogamer piece on the negative reactions Chinese players recieve on English-speaking servers. From that article:"Apparently there is a common belief among English speaking players that most non-English speakers are gold farmers and are only playing for commercial gain. As a result, players are asking anyone who wants to join a group to type one or two sentences in English. If the sentences contain spelling or grammar mistakes, the player is rejected. Since you have to join groups to complete certain quests in WOW, this is presenting many Chinese players with a serious problem."

Emphasis mine.  And, "I do not think that word means, what you think it means."

At least, the quote from the second article would seem to NOT indicate a contrast between the two articles, but rather a similarity in thought.  Go Go Internet Journalism!

Alkiera

[Paelos]

Chinese players are having a hard time getting groups in WoW. That's shocking.

Almost as shocking as Arabs having a hard time getting on planes.

[Driakos]

"I want join big american party."

Who is driving!  Oh my god bear is driving!

[Hoax]

Your just a tiny bundle of internet racism fun arentcha Paelos?

I mean seriously first the Aussies now the Chinese?  Frankly gold farmers almost never group and the reason they would likely be booted would be they almost always have shit gear because they dont do quests.  That only applies to "pro" gold farmers, which dont need fucking groups anyways because they are botting multiple pc's for lewtz.  In WoW there is no way to tell if someone is American or not because the l33t kiddies (myself included) dont try very hard to speak proper english 90% of the time to begin with.

[Mesozoic]

Alkiera:  I think they're saying that the attitudes on the American servers contrasted with the tone of the Eurogamer article, which was probably sympathetic to non-english speaking gamers.  The un-asked question is "why are non-english speakers on an english server?"

[Paelos]

Your just a tiny bundle of internet racism fun arentcha Paelos?

I mean seriously first the Aussies now the Chinese?  Frankly gold farmers almost never group and the reason they would likely be booted would be they almost always have shit gear because they dont do quests.  That only applies to "pro" gold farmers, which dont need fucking groups anyways because they are botting multiple pc's for lewtz.  In WoW there is no way to tell if someone is American or not because the l33t kiddies (myself included) dont try very hard to speak proper english 90% of the time to begin with.

The Austrailian and the Chinese aren't races. They are nationalities. Also, try to argue that Chinese farmers aren't busting/manipulating economies. I haven't been able to mine thorium in any capacity since last summer.

[Fabricated]

Your just a tiny bundle of internet racism fun arentcha Paelos?

I mean seriously first the Aussies now the Chinese?  Frankly gold farmers almost never group and the reason they would likely be booted would be they almost always have shit gear because they dont do quests.  That only applies to "pro" gold farmers, which dont need fucking groups anyways because they are botting multiple pc's for lewtz.  In WoW there is no way to tell if someone is American or not because the l33t kiddies (myself included) dont try very hard to speak proper english 90% of the time to begin with.

The Austrailian and the Chinese aren't races. They are nationalities. Also, try to argue that Chinese farmers aren't busting/manipulating economies. I haven't been able to mine thorium in any capacity since last summer.

I have pretty much given up on getting those last 3 skillups in blacksmithing because of this. The only way to get a stack of thorium without frantically running around the burning steppes or silithus checking the same spawn points over and over for 3 hours is to pay MeRikeyRuinUrGame 8G for a stack on the AH.

[schild]

I remember people telling me the economy wasn't getting fucked. How are gold farmers any different than an uberguild? Aren't goldfarmers just a giant super organized highly motivated uberguild?

[Paelos]

I remember people telling me the economy wasn't getting fucked. How are gold farmers any different than an uberguild? Aren't goldfarmers just a giant super organized highly motivated uberguild?

Because uberguilds run in instances. They can ruin pvp if they get involved in it with their gear, but they typically don't keep you from getting at popular mobs or anywhere near a mine.

[Azazel]

I went to Azsharra the other day to try and get some felcloth. I found one of the camps had a 57 Troll Rogue running around it, and after watching it for a short time realised that it was a total bot, running to specific waypoints, turning unnaturally (ie: dead stop, wheel left, move off), moving to the next one and the next one and so on.. I wrote up a GM ticket, and shortly after, a priest came by and said that the same farmerbot had been there 12 hours ago..

The GM got back to me an hour or so later, when I'd long left the area and thanked me for ym ticket, etc. I ran over to the camp spot again, and lo and behold, the fucker was still there, doing the same thing. Thanks GM!

The farmerbot was called Abenjaya, on Proudmoore (horde), fyi.

[Tale]

Austrailian

Ameirican.

No group for you!

[Ironwood]

That's retarded.  The farmers won't want to join your group.  They have their own groups where the loot rules are already inscribed on stone.  Why the fuck would they join your n/g system ?

 

[Der Helm]

From Slashdot:

players are asking anyone who wants to join a group to type one or two sentences in English. If the sentences contain spelling or grammar mistakes, the player is rejected.

Now, thats funny. Several people on all servers I played on, have been butchering the english language far more than I will ever be able to.
I am quite sure most of them are native speakers.

edit: unfucked the quote

[Surlyboi]

I quote the first poster on that Eurogamer article:

What utter bollocks. If that were the case, no-one would ever get a group, as I can count the number of WoW players I've met who can formulate a grammatically-correct sentence on the fingers of one hand.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

LOL, Internet.

[Jayce]

/agree with DerHelm - in my experience the non-native English speakers (if they have been at it for a while) are generally better than some people who are the products of the US public education system.

edited because I came across as hasher than I intended

[Yegolev]

Someone I know personally is nearly unintelligible in MMOG chat.  He speaks perfect English, better than me even.

The GM/bot anecdote pisses me off.  Glad I play on a PVP server where anybody in contested is likely to get ventilated before the day is through.

[Hoax]

Yeah on a pvp server I only get pissed if there is an alliance farmer and no horde around to kick his teeth in.

[Morfiend]

I went to Azsharra the other day to try and get some felcloth. I found one of the camps had a 57 Troll Rogue running around it, and after watching it for a short time realised that it was a total bot, running to specific waypoints, turning unnaturally (ie: dead stop, wheel left, move off), moving to the next one and the next one and so on.. I wrote up a GM ticket, and shortly after, a priest came by and said that the same farmerbot had been there 12 hours ago..

The GM got back to me an hour or so later, when I'd long left the area and thanked me for ym ticket, etc. I ran over to the camp spot again, and lo and behold, the fucker was still there, doing the same thing. Thanks GM!

The farmerbot was called Abenjaya, on Proudmoore (horde), fyi.

Just tap his mobs first, free loot.

[Merusk]

Last bot I tried that on was intelligent enough to not attack after it was locked-out.  It had started the charge on the mob and everything.

Might get lucky, though, in which case, Loot away!

[Azazel]

Just tap his mobs first, free loot.

Yeah, it refused to attack engaged mobes though, like Merusk's one. By using perfect timing though I could tap the mob (insta-cast) and get them to kill my mob for me a few times, and generally I ran around griefing it as much as possible - pulling its spawns in front of it, etc. At 2 points I had it fucked up off it's path and running into a fallen tree, but either the farmer looked in and reset it, ot it reset itself.

The priest said that bandaging it might cause it to kill itself. Anyone else heard of this kind of thing?

[Merusk]

No, haven't heard of that one.

Problem is, as you figure out ways to grief them, they code around that for the next generation.  You all saw the video where the mage managed to pull a bot out into the ocean deep enough that rezzing would cause it to die from fatigue, right?  Well they fixed that glitch right after, and bots won't follow a mob for more than a few yards now.

Really, the only defense against botting is an active GM team dedicated solely to that in conjunction with banning of accounts by credit card and billing address rather than simply turning-off one account at a time.  However, you're just not going to see that in any game of size because there's too many other problems to deal with.

[Rasix]

The farming has seemingly moved hard-core into Dire Maul.  The market is being flooded with Aces of Warlords and DM quest books. Hoo-ray.  Hopefully that stuff will deflate to the point where I can buy it for my twinks and not feel bad.

[schild]

This thread has become sentient. /luv

[Ironwood]

I must admit, when the idea first came into being I didn't think it would end up being THE WoW thread...

[Rasix]

I just think everyone settled on the worst thing about WoW: the other players.  And the worst of those other players: gold farmers.

piabxw "[Ace of Warlords] buy now, keke la~"

[Hoax]

Rang Rang bitch!

English motherfucker do you speak it?!

[Rasix]

Apparently there's a teleport hack.

Didn't know this existed until I read the thread and   it's popular with the gold farmers.    

If it's true, no excuse for having something like that in the game for so long. However, it's interesting that only now is it being used to exploit farm the Tribute run in DM.  I guess it takes an increased Ace drop rate and some planning to figure out how to exploit the encounter to have it be completed by only hunters and rogues in green Mauradon quality gear.

[Ironwood]

Sigh.

Hax.

[schild]

The worst idea Blizzard had with the game was letting people post as more than one person on their forums. That alt-bullshit makes the most epically hard to read forum even harder to read. The shit goes down like castor oil with nails in it.

Epically isn't a word. But it should be.

[Trippy]

Sigh.

Hax.

It's a Blizzard game, what did you expect?