Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace to be Spiderman villians.

[HaemishM]

Marvel had managed to unfuck itself after the whole Spidey clone/foil cover thing. They went back to good writing (instead of shallow-ass artfaggery), stopped putting so much hype and variant covers out, etc. It was when Quesada first became EIC. They brought in guys like Bendis (whose Daredevil run is spectacular), Grant Morrison (whose X-Men run is only rivaled by Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and Claremont/Byrne's initial run on the book), etc. But it has all gone to shit in just over a year since the X-Men reboot. They've backtracked on just about everything good they were doing, including fucking continuity to hell and back, dropping asstons of variant covers, and hyping the shit out of lazy books like New Avengers and House of M and Phoenix: Endsong.

[Big Gulp]

Okay, bad enough that they're actually putting Venom into the movie.

But Eric Fucking Foreman?    Sweet fancy Moses, is this thing ever going to suck.

[Trippy]

What's the source for this? I've seen a lot of stupid stuff going around the boards but nothing that quotes Sam or Columbia Pictures.

[Big Gulp]

What's the source for this? I've seen a lot of stupid stuff going around the boards but nothing that quotes Sam or Columbia Pictures.

I'm going off of an article linked from Fark (which is, of course, of dubious reliability to begin with) that I can't get to reload now because it looks as if their server's melted.  Possibly bullshit, yeah, but I can easily see them throwing in Venom because of all the retards who liked that character.

[stray]

Supposedly the rumor is that Grace is Venom and that there will be no Chameleon (this rumor disses that rumor  ). Instead, Hayden Church will be Sandman. Also, Franco will be.....Hobgoblin.

http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/news/index.php?Action=Full&NewsID=3355

Church is cool. Sandman is cool. Grace...I like him....But Venom still sucks.

Still, Raimi would be going back on a lot of his words if Venom was actually in this.

[Shockeye]

I didn't post this crap because Raimi has always been against Venom and I doubt he'd cave in now.

Until I see some stills from shooting or pre-production costumes, I call bullshit on this rumor.

[Strazos]

Isn't he a bit on the small side to pass as Eddie Brock?

[stray]

I will say though....IF Venom were in it, then I'd be OK with that in one sense: That at least I would know that Raimi was directing. If anyone can make Venom look like a worthy addition to the films, then it's him. In a way, the character's rabidness plays to a lot of Raimi's strengths.

[Merusk]

Isn't he a bit on the small side to pass as Eddie Brock?

Maybe he's been working out as much as Carrottop.

[Llava]

Let's get Carrot Top to be Carnage!

SWEET!

[Samwise]

He does look more like Tobey Maguire than any other actor.  With the possible exception of Tobey Maguire.

[Llava]

The problem being that Eddie Brock doesn't look much like Parker...

[Samwise]

This is true.  Maybe they're going for a different , though, having Eddie be Peter's evil twin like Venom is Spidey's evil twin.  That's the only sensible explanation I can think of, anyway.

Assuming that this rumor isn't complete bullshit, of course.

[Ironwood]

I didn't post this crap because Bendis has always been against Venom and I doubt he'd cave in now.

This ISN'T a FIFY - but it makes a point.  Bendis hated venom and carnage and swore he'd never write them into Ultimate Spiderman.

It wasn't 5 books before they appeared.

Fuck you retarded people that think Venom or Carnage is in anyway interesting.  Fuck you right in your immature little asses.

[Bunk]

He does look more like Tobey Maguire than any other actor.  With the possible exception of Tobey Maguire.

Jake Gylenhal (sp?)

[stray]

Jake Gylenhal (sp?)

Sounds more like it.

Sidenote (because Venom is just that interesting):

Did you ever notice that some actors are sometimes under threat from a weird doppleganger/counterpart? Sometimes the doppleganger comes out on top, and you never see the original again.

Jake and Toby is an example. So far, Toby is holding his ground.

Here's another:

The squeeky blondes: Joey Lauren Adams/Renee Zelwegger

Joey was hotter, had more parts at one time, then all of a sudden, Zelwegger comes along and Adams is no more.

Another:

The Goofy "Everyman": Michael Keaton/Tom Hanks

Tom Hanks killed Keaton (Something I'd like to see rectified btw).

Then, there's just pathetic attempts:

Skeet Ulrich/Johnny Depp

No Contest. Ulrich was DOA.

Note: The above is the kind of the post that makes Signe cry.

[HaemishM]

Including Venom in any Spiderman pic is about as stupid as Tim Burton's ideas on Superman having transparent skin or some shit.

[stray]

Including Venom in any Spiderman pic is about as stupid as Tim Burton's ideas on Superman having transparent skin or some shit.

Not to mention Burton wanting Nicholas Cage to play him too.

[Morfiend]

I have to say I enjoyed Venom when he first came in. As far as I remember he didnt have the lust for brains that the newer venom had. I also liked that Spidey and Venom settled their differences in the end, and came to a mutual "Dont fuck with me, I wont fuck with you". I also enjoyed Carnage, since he was one of the first villians that was just batshit insane. He didnt want to take over the world, or have some diabolical plan. He didnt want to get rich. He straight up wanted to kill people, and he did. a lot.

I do think that after that first story arch, both Carnage and Vemon got a bit overplayed, and now are kind of "Meh". I also think that they dont belong in the Spider-man movies. It would be WAY to hard to keep to the original character creation, what with spidey and the x-men going to space and all that.

[Merusk]

This discussion.. I've seen it before, somewhere.. Hrmm.

[stray]

This discussion.. I've seen it before, somewhere.. Hrmm.

Spider-Man. He is everywhere. Like Elvis.

Actually, there's not enough Elvis talk on these boards.

[Rodent]

What's with the Venom hate? Granted I haven't read many spiderman comics in my days, but Venom always struck me as a slightly funny, badass looking villain. I'd say he ranks number 2 after Vulture in my book.

[stray]

Convoluted. Peter Parker was always best as the young, smartass (and unappreciated) crime fighter in New York City. The whole cosmic story arc that set the stage for Venom is so out of the place, that it may as well not be Spider-Man. It's just as stupid and out of place as the "Spidermobile". Originally, he was one of the more "down to earth" heroes. When writers would take him beyond that, it would always suck. Venom is like the culmination of everything that is stupid in Spider-Man writing.

Angst. The fucking WWF's version of a villian. Just stupid one dimensional shit all around (moreso with Carnage).

Thirdly, there's shittons of Spidey villians to talk about (40 years worth), but the only thing most kids born after say, 1984, seem to know is Venom (either that, or Carnage).....To the point that they consider him Spider-Man's "nemesis".....Which makes older fans hate him even more.

Too bad Haemish doesn't post much on weekends. He'd be much better at this.

[Rodent]

Bah, The Phantom would kick all their asses...

On a sidenote I think Topher Grace can probably pull of a good performance in Spidey 3, I enjoyed In Good Company after I got over him not playing a star wars nerd from the 70's.

[stray]

I should probably mention: I read somewhere that the Ultimate Spider-Man rewrites of all of this stuff is much better. I've only read the first tpb, so I wouldn't know. Anyone care to comment?

[Llava]

I have to say I enjoyed Venom when he first came in. As far as I remember he didnt have the lust for brains that the newer venom had. I also liked that Spidey and Venom settled their differences in the end, and came to a mutual "Dont fuck with me, I wont fuck with you". I also enjoyed Carnage, since he was one of the first villians that was just batshit insane. He didnt want to take over the world, or have some diabolical plan. He didnt want to get rich. He straight up wanted to kill people, and he did. a lot.

I do think that after that first story arch, both Carnage and Vemon got a bit overplayed, and now are kind of "Meh". I also think that they dont belong in the Spider-man movies. It would be WAY to hard to keep to the original character creation, what with spidey and the x-men going to space and all that.

I felt exactly the same.  They didn't agree with me.  But for the exact same conversation, you can check out this thread.

[Morfiend]

Some how I missed that thread. I agree there are a TON of better villians for the movie. The only thing is, some of them come off looking very cheesy when the move to live action. One that I do like is Lizardman because he has a back story and it fits well with the feel of Spider-Man. Another thing, since we are doing this topic again. I think Kirsten Dunst was a horrible choice for Mary Jane. Its not that I dont like her, or that she is a bad actress, thats just not how I picture her at all.

[Arnold]

I remember, just after I had gotten out of collecting comics, when Supes died. People were lined up to buy dozens of the issue, same folks who would buy a dozen first issues of a series. It's when they started releasing the rare covers with gold foil and all that nonsense. It really became a ridiculous scene that wasn't at all about the art and stories, but about commodity.

Man, I remember when I was collecting comics in the late 80s.  I didn't amass a great collection or anything.  I followed a few titles, but I did pick up a bunch of those #1s!!! when they were releasing all sorts of new series.  I recently logged the comics I had collected and checked prices on the internet and they were worth nothing.  Goddamn them!

Back in the day I was mostly a Marvel guy, though I would buy Detective Comics too.  Nowadays, watching Justice League has had me interested in comics again.  But the thing is that I realized the Justice League epsiodes I liked most were those dealing with massive threats.  Alien invasions, hugely powered superbeings, etc.  That sort of gets me thinking about buying DC more than Marvel.

[Trippy]

Man, I remember when I was collecting comics in the late 80s.  I didn't amass a great collection or anything.  I followed a few titles, but I did pick up a bunch of those #1s!!! when they were releasing all sorts of new series.  I recently logged the comics I had collected and checked prices on the internet and they were worth nothing.  Goddamn them!

Yeah I started recollecting comic books at that exact same time, having gotten out of school and gotten a job so I had disposable income to waste on such things. I blame Upper Deck for the whole speculative crazy that caused the comic book market to boom and then crash. They started it all with their sports cards introducing cards with higher production values, "chase" cards, rapid introducton of product, and other new at the time marketing techniques. The huge success of Upper Deck caused other many companies including comic book publishers to follow suit.

[Shockeye]

Topher Grace and Thomas Haden Church threads merged.

[Big Gulp]

Man, I remember when I was collecting comics in the late 80s.  I didn't amass a great collection or anything.  I followed a few titles, but I did pick up a bunch of those #1s!!! when they were releasing all sorts of new series.  I recently logged the comics I had collected and checked prices on the internet and they were worth nothing.  Goddamn them!

Started collecting comics at around age 10, which looking back, would have made it 1982.  I stopped when I was 16 or so.  I have exactly two, count 'em, two comics that are actually worth anything.  Groo the Wanderer #1, before he went over to Marvel and The Tick #1.  That's really all I have to show for 6 years of hardcore collecting.  Frankly you'd be better off going the plaster caster route if you want to make money collecting stuff.

[Jain Zar]

Ive never collected comics for any reason but to read.

As to Ultimate Spider Man?

Overall it is VASTLY superior to regular Marvel Spidey.  Cept for Gwen Stacy's death.  Which was massive retardation.
The only good thing is TEH ANGST lead Pete and MJ to break up, and he is now seeing Kitty Pryde of the X Men which
is just so gosh darn CUTE.  (Oh god im getting old.)

The Ultimate universe is better as a whole anyhow. Hell, they killed Gambit, which is cause for dancing in the streets!

[Strazos]

I have the first 8 or so Captain Planet comics.

Also, I have a few Flash comics, including the first Special Edition one, based on the ill-fortuned TV show.

I have a really old Batman and Aquaman comic, from the 50's.

[WindupAtheist]

I have the first 8 or so Captain Planet comics.

...

[Ironwood]

Ive never collected comics for any reason but to read.

As to Ultimate Spider Man?

Overall it is VASTLY superior to regular Marvel Spidey.  Cept for Gwen Stacy's death.  Which was massive retardation.
The only good thing is TEH ANGST lead Pete and MJ to break up, and he is now seeing Kitty Pryde of the X Men which
is just so gosh darn CUTE.  (Oh god im getting old.)

The Ultimate universe is better as a whole anyhow. Hell, they killed Gambit, which is cause for dancing in the streets!

You just wait and see how they fuck up the death of Jean DeWolff.  It'll be great....