Xbox 360, Bundles, and Delayed Releases.

[schild]

My house had it's on for roughly 12 hours yesterday. it never so much as got hot. But then, we were smart enough to sit the power supply and unit about 3 inches off the ground off wire mesh with 1 inch holes in a room with good circulation. It couldn't get hot it if wanted to.

[Signe]

Am I just imagining things, or did I hear that the 360 controllers will work with the original X-Box machines? If so, I might have to get one, as I like the feel of the new controllers.

This guy says it'll work with any PC running Windoze XP, too.

Linky for Haemish

[schild]

Windows XP, yes.

Original xbox, I don't think so.

[Nija]

In THEORY it'll work for the original xbox, but only if you're brave.

There are people who have chopped up USB cables and chopped up original xbox controller cables, spliced the correct wires, and had the original xbox controller working on PC.

Later, someone made a xbox controller -> usb deally that worked on PC.

You'd need the reverse of that. Since it has the same buttons plus that big thing in the center, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Someone donate $40 to me and i'll fuck with it this weekend to see if it's possible. If it works I'll send the finished results to you.

[Shockeye]

I made a USB to Xbox cable and a cable for Xbox to USB to use my Xbox controller on my PC. Maybe I'll bring my Xbox to USB cable over to schilds and see if an original Xbox controller works on his 360. Provided I'm allowed to touch it.

[schild]

I made a USB to Xbox cable and a cable for Xbox to USB to use my Xbox controller on my PC. Maybe I'll bring my Xbox to USB cable over to schilds and see if an original Xbox controller works on his 360. Provided I'm allowed to touch it.

Not like that you aren't. I'm going to go as long as humanly possible without using anything but the two buttons on the front of the unit. I don't want to chance first-gen hardware explodering. I currently charge my 360 controllers on my PC. Far away from the virgin USB slots on the 360.

[Shockeye]

I made a USB to Xbox cable and a cable for Xbox to USB to use my Xbox controller on my PC. Maybe I'll bring my Xbox to USB cable over to schilds and see if an original Xbox controller works on his 360. Provided I'm allowed to touch it.

Not like that you aren't.

Die in a Xbox fire.

[MrHat]

the top two shoulder buttons just don't sit right for me

If I had to complain.

[schild]

the top two shoulder buttons just don't sit right for me

If I had to complain.

That's one of my big problems. Fortunately, it's still 10x better than the slightly awkward black and white buttons on the original. I think I just have to remember that they exist as I quickly wonder where zee new buttons went. The controller itself though? Super comfortable.

[dusematic]

Slightly?  They were downright unusable.

[Nija]

Ive not even picked up one of the new controllers yet but that was my main gripe with the xbox S controller. Buttons there just seem perfect to me. Middle finger triggers, index taps.

Does it not work as good as it should?

[Shockeye]

I never had a problem with the black/white buttons on the S controller. The buttons above the triggers on the 360 I really dislike. I already hated the Z button on the Gamecube controller, this is more of the same. Ick.

[Nija]

Z button sucked.

L and R on snes was fine. L + R + triggers underneath just seems great.

Please tell me the default gear change buttons in PGR3 are the white/black top buttons, and brake/gas are the triggers. It just makes too much sense.

[schild]

Z button sucked.

L and R on snes was fine. L + R + triggers underneath just seems great.

Please tell me the default gear change buttons in PGR3 are the white/black top buttons, and brake/gas are the triggers. It just makes too much sense.

L an d R are the brake/gas for Ridge Racer 6. I haven't tried manual transmission yet despite driving one irl.

[Sky]

The best controller I had, button-wise, was the old thrustmaster firestorm. Four shoulders ala PS2 plus two triggers ala xbox S. I could fly a plane like a mofo with that thing, but the formfactor sucked, sharpy corners for the ache. I feel restricted with only 4 non-face buttons, whether they be 4 shoulders/no trigger or 2 shoulders/2 triggers.

I love the logitech wireless rumblepad 2 I've got for the pc, but it's only got two shoulders and I can't use it for flying in bf2 for crap :(

edit: the thrustmaster I mentioned:

[Margalis]

A lot of store displays had overheating problems. Maybe it will be like some of the first Saturns that caused fires in Japan.

[schild]

A lot of store displays had overheating problems. Maybe it will be like some of the first Saturns that caused fires in Japan.

Logistically, the store displays are designed in a way that no home user could ever recreate. Horrible cooling, bad vent placement. They're just shit.

[Righ]

I currently charge my 360 controllers on my PC. Far away from the virgin USB slots on the 360.

You're like an over-protective dad. It's sweet.

[schild]

Usually you're pretty good at baiting. That's just weak. Must have had an off morning.

[Shockeye]

Usually you're pretty good at baiting. That's just weak. Must have had an off morning.

He's no WUA WUN.

[Righ]

Christ, show somebody who gives a fuck on the doll where I touched you all. I'll get me coat.

[Nija]

Alright, i messed with the new controller last night and I agree, the trigger/button placement sucks.

If they added top buttons to the xbox S controller it would have worked out much better. There needs to be more space between the triggers and the index-finger buttons.

[Signe]

The 360 and SWG seems to have sucked the humour right out of everyone around here.  If SWG every did come out for the 360, this board would assplode.

[stray]

Not everyone! I'm surprised that this and SWG thread have more than 5 pages myself. These are two subjects totally not worth talking about THAT much....Let alone losing humor over.

Also, SWG would never make it to a Microsoft console. Have no fear for that at least.

[Trippy]

Also, SWG would never make it to a Microsoft console. Have no fear for that at least.

SOE may be the developer of SWG but LucasArts/Lucasfilms is the publisher, IP holder, and copyright holder of the game. SOE might be able to refuse to do an Xbox/360 port of the game (dunno what their contract stipulates) but LucasArts could certainly find somebody else to do the porting work if they were willing to spend that kind of money.

[Hanzii]

I laughed.

"Can turn all the way around, apparently"
Hey people, it's just a new toy with a stupid name (not that I'm not working my ass off trying to get MS to part with one... preferably before the 2nd when they're released here...)

[Azazel]

So Schild, are you going to secondhand the 1st-gen one you have right now when the next revision of the things come out (with less potential explodeyness)?

Also, does that giant powersupply get hot? I read about your placement of it, and that does seem the smartest way to have the thing, just that those kinds of boxes do tend to heat up regardless, so I'm wondering what the 360 ones are like.

I liked the onion graphic. They're always worth a chuckle.

[schild]

So Schild, are you going to secondhand the 1st-gen one you have right now when the next revision of the things come out (with less potential explodeyness)?

My old xboxen have been relegated to networked media center status. They are by far the best, cheapest and easiest media streaming boxes on the market.

Also, does that giant powersupply get hot? I read about your placement of it, and that does seem the smartest way to have the thing, just that those kinds of boxes do tend to heat up regardless, so I'm wondering what the 360 ones are like.

Neither the 360 or the power supply ever get hot. I have a feeling that the people with problems have done one of the following things:

A. Sat it on the old Xbox.
B. Stuffed it into a home entertainment center of some sort with zero airflow.
C. Sat it on carpeting.
D. Sat it next to something that produces just as much heat and blows it towards the xbox.

Those are the kinds of things Joe Sixpack would do. I wish I could empathize, but people really should know better. Especially after they see the nuclear device that powers the 360.

[Jain Zar]

Or they could just get a Nintendo instead, since they make hardware that can take a beating, and was built to last, designed for consumers.

Game consoles are MEANT for carpets.  Microsoft should like know that. 

[schild]

No game console was ever meant for carpeting. That's just insane. Have dry winters? Static electricity will kill your console. Don't put the goddamn thing on a carpet. None of them. Not even the original NES. Hell, I knew better when I was 6.

[Azazel]

My old xboxen have been relegated to networked media center status. They are by far the best, cheapest and easiest media streaming boxes on the market.

No, I dont mean your XBox 1s, I mean your first-gen, fragile-may-explode-at-any-moment brand-new 360.

Also, does that giant powersupply get hot? I read about your placement of it, and that does seem the smartest way to have the thing, just that those kinds of boxes do tend to heat up regardless, so I'm wondering what the 360 ones are like.

Neither the 360 or the power supply ever get hot. I have a feeling that the people with problems have done one of the following things:

A. Sat it on the old Xbox.
B. Stuffed it into a home entertainment center of some sort with zero airflow.
C. Sat it on carpeting.
D. Sat it next to something that produces just as much heat and blows it towards the xbox.

Those are the kinds of things Joe Sixpack would do. I wish I could empathize, but people really should know better. Especially after they see the nuclear device that powers the 360.

Well, A, C and D I can agree with you on, but the fact is that MS should know that the things are really very much going to be stuffed into B's and perhaps design accordingly. After reading those links on the explosive XBox 1s though.. ergh.

As for using your <console name here> controllers on the 360, just give it a month or three and then check out this link. There will be stuff there, very very soon...
http://www.lik-sang.com/list.php?nav=left_top&category=160&

[Shockeye]

DOA4 delayed again in Japan
Anticipated 3D fighting game for Xbox 360 to miss out on Christmas in Japan; still set for 2005 release.
TOKYO--DOA4, contrary to what frustrated gamers may think, does not stand for Delay of Arrival. The anticipated Xbox 360 fighter was originally meant for release with the Xbox 360, on November 22. However, the game was pushed back, and is now set for "Holiday Season 2005," according to the Tecmo Web site.

With the Japanese launch of the Xbox 360 only days away, gamers recently found out that they wouldn't be playing Dead or Alive 4 on the console's first day in retail, but hoped to at least get the game by Christmas. Now it appears the only Xmas fighting that will occur this year is between in-laws. Tecmo announced today that Dead or Alive 4 will be further delayed in Japan and is now scheduled for a December 29 release. Tecmo cited issues with the online play features as the reason for the additional delay.

By Hirohiko Niizumi -- GameSpot
Posted Dec 7, 2005 10:47 am PT

Have I mentioned lately that I'm quite glad I'm waiting until next year to get one of these newfangled 360 things?

[Jamiko]

Japan Analysts Cold Shoulder Xbox 360

On the eve of Xbox 360's Japanese launch, leading analysts in the country are all but writing off Microsoft's chances of seriously challenging Sony, or even of launching a successful platform.

Nobuyuki Kawamata of Tokai Tokyo Research Center said, "No one -- consumers or software makers -- has been talking about the Xbox 360 lately, although we only have a couple of days before the release. Given also the fact that basic functions of Xbox 360 are inferior to Sony's next-generation machine, and that there are not many newly-developed titles ready for the Japanese launch, Xbox 360 is not likely to become a must-buy console here in Japan."

Hirotoshi Murakami at Mitsubishi UFJ Securities said, "We had previously thought that Xbox 360 could gain a major share of the Japanese market by taking some market share from front-runner Sony Computer. But we now think that such a prospect may not be realized, given the limited attractiveness of its titles and its lukewarm functions."

Shinko Securities analyst Yuichi Kobayashi said, "Given declining enthusiasm for the Xbox 360 by Japanese players and software makers, it would be almost impossible for Microsoft to overtake Sony or even Nintendo. Even from the global viewpoint, unless Sony fails to bring the next-generation PlayStation 3 consoles to the market on time, Microsoft appears to have almost no chance to be the industry leader."
 
Japan is seen as crucial top Microsoft's global Xbox 360 strategy. Yoshihiro Maruyama (pictured) , head of Xbox Japan said, "Japan is a very important market for our global strategy, and launching our console ahead of rival platforms will give us a certain advantage. Unless we achieve meaningful success here, we cannot say we are a winner in the next-generation console battle."

[HaemishM]

Nobuyuki Kawamata of Tokai Tokyo Research Center said, "No one -- consumers or software makers -- has been talking about the Xbox 360 lately, although we only have a couple of days before the release. Given also the fact that basic functions of Xbox 360 are inferior to Sony's next-generation machine, and that there are not many newly-developed titles ready for the Japanese launch, Xbox 360 is not likely to become a must-buy console here in Japan."

Fucktard. We don't even KNOW the basic fucking functions of the PS3 yet. They haven't even released the specs that would lead anyone to say they know for sure what those functions are. Smells like someone has his nose firmly entrenched in Sony's behind.

[Alkiera]

Japan Analysts Cold Shoulder Xbox 360
Shinko Securities analyst Yuichi Kobayashi said, "Given declining enthusiasm for the Xbox 360 by Japanese players and software makers, it would be almost impossible for Microsoft to overtake Sony or even Nintendo.

Emphasis mine.  And, ouch.  8)

Alkiera