Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?

[MrHat]

I hardly ever get any free stuff, either. What's the use of having a vagina if you can't use it to exploit sexually frustrated teen-age gamers?  I have, however, received 2 team speak invites in CoH to PROVE I'm really female.  I simply tell them that when I teach my vagina to speak, everyone will know.  I'm sure even CNN will cover the story.

/clap

er, /applaud

Er, can you applaud someone's vagina?

[ahoythematey]

I generally treat female avatars the same way I treat most male avatars.

That is to say, I treat them like shit because I hate battle.net and people in general.  Once in a while I actually feel remorse, but meh.

I've never played as a female character when a choice was provided(for example you can't play a male assassin in D2), because deep down I'm probably terrified of what that kind of choice might say about my id.

[Samprimary]

We used to have a horde guild called 'me so hordey', but the GM's cracked down on it.

[Xanthippe]

I always play a female toon, have only received one free item due to toon cleavage, and am frequently referred to as "he" or told "thx man" in games.  Many, if not most, people I run into these days assume everyone behind the keyboard is male.

I suspect playing a priest has more to do with getting loot and niceties than being female in WoW.  Rogues and hunters don't get squat.

Being bothered in video games has never been a problem for me.  Happens less than in real life, and is easier to get away from.  One surefire way to deal with it is to say "back off, I'm a guy."  Saying I'm a soccer mom doesn't work, because then I get "milf?" in return.

Maybe I need to LOL and :) and ;) more.  I want stuff.

[HaemishM]

You need to perfect the hair toss. Or to pull in the Jordan fans, tug on your braids.

[Strazos]

In games, usually, my main is a male rogue named Strazos. There are no rogues in CoH, so I just made him the kind of hero I would want to be; a speedy asskicker.

in WoW, I played a rogue in Beta, so I made a warrior instead...but made it a female for kicks....She looked better than her male counterparts anyway.

There are no rogues in GW, and male mesmers are lame, so Female it is.

But yes, WoW kids have a problem.

[Sogrinaugh]

You need to perfect the hair toss. Or to pull in the Jordan fans, tug on your braids.

Jordan?

[Shockeye]

You need to perfect the hair toss. Or to pull in the Jordan fans, tug on your braids.

Jordan?

Robert Jordan. Nynaeve tugs on her braid whenever she's.. well.. nevermind.

Nynaeve al'Meara
26 years old. Slender and short, young and pretty. She has dark colouring with a dark braid pulled over her shoulder. Very strong willed, she always does what she believes must be done, never backing down from her duty.

She is regularly giving over to fits of temper and insults. Prickly at best, unbearable at worst. She hates Moiraine and blames her for everything that has occurred, hating her as much as Seanchan, but didn't hide her hate as well as she thinks. She fell in love with Lan soon after leaving the Two Rivers, but he continually put her off. She is brave to the point of madness, but believes herself a coward.

Nynaeve left the Two Rivers on the heels of Moiraine and the group, tracking them to Baerlon with the intention of bringing back the Emonds Field folk. As she was unable to do this she was determined to keep them safe. She was soon informed that she was a wilder, having learning to channel herself.

When learning unknowingly to channel, she learned to tell the weather. This talent has changed to also tell moods. She is a quick learner, as quick as Rand, and is a great believer in justice.

She went to the White Tower with Egwene, and became an Accepted immediately. Later, Liandrin led her, Egwene, Elayne and Min to Falme, where she was to be made damane. Nynaeve and Elayne avoided capture, and later helped Egwene and Min escape. They got back to the White Tower just in time to go hunting the Black Ajah.

Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne went to Tear on the chase, were captured by Liandrin and company and were rescued by Mat and Juilin. Nynaeve then left with Elayne, chasing the Black Ajah to Tanchico. While in Tanchico, Nynaeve captured Moghedian only to have her escape.

After helping the Panarch regain power, Nynaeve left with Elayne moving into Amadicia where they joined a traveling menagerie. This took them to Ghealdan where they left for Salidar with the remaining Shienarans, who until that time had stayed with Masema.

In a jaunt to Tel'aran'rhoid, Nynaeve managed to capture Moghedian using an a'dam. On the same jaunt and while dragging Moghedian around she helped Rand kill Rahvin by scorching him unexpectedly, and was very nearly killed herself. Elayne made an a'dam that looks like a necklace and had "Marigan" as a servant, while secretly trying to wring lost secrets from the Age of Legends out of her.

With Siuan, Leane and Logain around she decided to find out how to Heal them of severing and was immediately ostracised by the Yellow Ajah for foolish endeavours. She Healed Logain and then Siuan and Leane. However Logain was back to full strength while Siuan and Leane are less than half their strength. She has a special way of Healing using fire and earth where conventional healing only uses air, water and spirit.

She went to Ebou Dar and found the Bowl of Winds with Elayne. They made a terribly one sided bargin with the Sea Folk, captured a Black Sister and apologised to Mat for their behaviour, offering themselves for his protection, Nynaeve grinding her teeth. Also, Lan and Nynaeve finally married.

After leaving Ebou Dar, she was a member of the circle that fixed the weather through the bowl. When the Seanchan attacked the farm owned by the Kin, she and Elayne led the Kin, the Sea Folk and Aes Sedai to Caemlyn.

Nynaeve is a terrible cook and a terrible sewer. At least she admits about the sewing. She believes anything short of death must be Healable.

Becoming very strong in the One Power, she is as strong as Moghedien and not yet at full strength. Her father died some years earlier, but always treated her as the son he never had. Her mother was Elnore.

[Sogrinaugh]

The embarrasing part is i have read ALL of those books accept the newest one.  I dont really enjoy the series, but a hateful friend of mine turned me on to it years back and i just want to know how it ends.  My great fear is that the old cur will die before he is finished with it.

[Signe]

The embarrasing part is i have read ALL of those books accept the newest one.  I dont really enjoy the series, but a hateful friend of mine turned me on to it years back and i just want to know how it ends.  My great fear is that the old cur will die before he is finished with it.

Book 11?  Obviously, it never ends.

[Der Helm]

Book 11?  Obviously, it never ends.

Sshhh be quiet.

[WayAbvPar]

Robert Jordan. Nynaeve tugs on her braid whenever she's.. well.. nevermind.

Conscious?

[Merusk]

The Wheel will turn around and just start the story over again in book 32 with Rand's kid.  Nothing will be resolved and an additional three thousand plot threads and twenty-three thousand meal descriptions will have been introduced.



Honestly, Jordan needs to wrap shit up.  He started with this huge ending scene and that's how he developed the story and the world, pushing towards it.  Since he knows the ending, you'd think he'd be able to just get the fuck there, but nooooo.   After all this time we're going to get to that scene and wonder what the fuck the buildup was all about because it's not going to beat Dumai's Well from book 6, or the battle between Rand and Rhavin in book 4.   At this point I'm just hoping he kills off everyone and the Shadow wins so I can hear the anguished cries of, "What the fuck, I read for 15 years for THIS?!"

[stray]

No.

Please.

Not another derail about Robert Jordan.


*Serves you right anyways....You should have been like me and realized it was complete dogshit at Book 1.*

[tazelbain]

I wonder if RJ knows that women do things beside fidgeting with their skirts and hair.

[WayAbvPar]

I wonder if RJ knows that women do things beside fidgeting with their skirts and hair.

Sure- they sniff, roll their eyes, and call people wool-headed.

Every woman in RJ's life must be a raging c**t, judging from his female characters.

[Sogrinaugh]

I wonder if RJ knows that women do things beside fidgeting with their skirts and hair.

Sure- they sniff, roll their eyes, and call people wool-headed.

Every woman in RJ's life must be a raging c**t, judging from his female characters.

In an interview he was asked if any of the characters are based on people he knows in real life, he said no except for the women "i suppose a little bit of my wife is in each of them" (not an exact quote, but close and with intent preserved).  Didnt surprise me in the least, since all of his female characters are pretty much the same.

[Paelos]

I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.

[tazelbain]

I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.

Read the first 3.  They are from a time before he went into stalling for cash mode.

[Paelos]

I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.

Read the first 3.  They are from a time before he went into stalling for cash mode.

I'm too busy reading Glen Cook and loving it.

[Rasix]

I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.

I got 6 books done before 7 made me realize Jordan had gone insane and wasn't planning on making headway into the plot.   Still, if you're enjoying Cook, stay there.  No reason to jump in unless you want to just give up in frustration at some point.  The early part of the series is quite fantastic, IMO. 

Anyhooo, to relate an interesting story that's somewhat on topic..  Early on in WoW, I played exclusively with my ex-roomate and his brother.  We had a no-mangina clause for playing together, but my ex-roomie decided that he wanted to play the undead female mage he made in beta.   We gave him copious amounts of grief over this, but he persisted.   

So, later on we get to the point where we're all 60 and unguilded and we start to look at guilds.  We were taking a serious look at one guild and were thinking about joining but the guild leader fashioned himself a "ladies man".  He kept trying to flirt with my friend, even though he made it plainly obvious that he infact did have a penis.  Finally, the guy went a bit too far one day and my friend just went off on him.  Well, that ended our consideration of that guild.    The thing is, he was never treated differently and everyone we had met before assumed he was a guy and treated him accordlingly.  He never got anything for free as far as we know. Hell, I think the last time we gave him grief over it was sometime back when we were still doing the Barrens.

Some people in these games are just inordinately pervy and really, they tend to flock together.  Many people from this game guild are tards that do in game marriages and can often be found sitting down next to night elf women outside Orgrimmar. 

[Hoax]

That shit happens all the time from my experience, gamers as a rule tolerate a higher level of incompetence from players with female avatars.  It is sad but true, let me relate a story...

MPBattleTech 3050, early open beta...

I was playing for House Marik which has always been the black sheep of the BTech universe, we were horribly outnumbered and bordered by the large population Steiner and the smallish but very power-gamer Liao.  In this game you would pick a contested planet on, then play a semi-fps simplied style of btech in 4v4 matches to gain points of control once one side gained enough control they could move on to planets deeper in enemy territory.

After developing close ties with some of the better Marik players and getting organized, we were making a big offensive push one evening.  I was grouped with two randoms and one good player and we were trouncing the competition.  Then an enemy player joins with some stupid chick name (that involved hotty, girl, diva or something).  Suddenly my whole team which is on a 8 game win streak or so goes stupid.  We actually loose, and nobody seems to mind, everyone is commenting on "her" good shots n shit.  I mean there is no avatar she's a freaking mech named a Hunchback with a giant autocannon for a shoulder.  I seriously got so pissed off after 3 matches of crappy play and these idiots falling over each other to win "her" favor that I started only going after her, kicking the shit out of her and then calling her a man/bitch/idiot/newbie and telling her to piss off so the rest of my team would go back to not sucking.  They got pissed at me, there was an arguement, and she left all upset.  We took the planet about 10min later and went on to have a very good night, before our lack of numbers spread us too thin like it always did.

The next day, I'm online and somebody with a very similar name to the supposed female player who I belittled, now on my team msg's me up.  Confused and curious I just let them talk, and even apologize and explain I was just annoyed that my team acted like idiots at the thought of a female gamer.  Then she goes psychotic and starts telling me how she has an abusive father and whatnot, I shit you not.  I logged off and didn't come back for about a week. 

Something very similar to this happened to me in EQ1, so basically I tend to despise, fear and be annoyed by female avatars because I've had two very strange and very disturbing online experiences if I ever end up talking to them...

Not sure why but I thought that story would help anyone out there who finds themselves being a little more tolerant of bad players using female characters.  You know who you are, and I gaurentee there are some on these boards.  It is a very subconcious thing but I dont think its only the pervs, they are just the ones that take it to the following female night elves around throwing gold at them and sitting next to them at the bank in IF trying to have pleasant conversations.

[Lantien]

Funny WoW story

Hey Rasix, now that you're finally done with WoW, you can spill the beans now about the horde right?  :-D

I'm just kidding.. it's not going to be the same with you gone.. there's no one to commisserate about a certain Alliance player who tends to spam the hell out of our boards.

Although if what you were talking about earlier about your guild becoming more Raid oriented is true, I imagine you would of been neck deep in fever with this new patch, ugh.

As for the conversation now veering towards the notion of female avatars getting more of a free pass than male avatars, I have noticed that for myself I'm less likely to chew out a female avatar than a male avatar. However, this tends to go both ways. I've also noticed that female avatars tend to get a misogynistic backlash, or outright patronized too.

I generally believe that if you're going to roll a female char, than I'll generally refer to your char in the female gender form, unless otherwise specified. Tends to keep things easier than trying to remember "Hmm, is that person a chick or a dude irl?".

PS: the new smilies are brilliant.

[Rasix]

Funny WoW story

Hey Rasix, now that you're finally done with WoW, you can spill the beans now about the horde right?  :-D

I'm just kidding.. it's not going to be the same with you gone.. there's no one to commisserate about a certain Alliance player who tends to spam the hell out of our boards.

Here's an interesting bit that only you will find interesting, the pervy guild leader in question is Security from Trespass.  I still don't see how he got to be somewhat of a horde celebrity on our server.  Trespass was (probably still is) one of the most underachieving guilds on the server.  Not to mention they're a collective of magina control freaks, elf cybering orcs, and general compulsive /dance emoting, slobbering tards.  Ohh wait, you were "just kidding".. but damn.. there's just so much I should probably jot down somewhere.  So many tales of abject stupidy and general ridiculousness.

Hehe, here's half of an article I wrote for raging douchebag week but never posted.  Inspired by our favorite night elf attention whore:

Given an absence of catagorization and purpose with a blank slate to draw upon, a WoW server community board could take whatever shape the users of the board wish it too.  Like the communities spawned in game, the server boards are, for lack of a better and more PC term, "completely fucking gay".  Never before have I witnessed a greater amount of bumpfuzzling, back patting, and virtual rimjobbing in a community. Now, this might manifest itself more completely on a PVE server board, as there's no current reason or real incentive for animosity, but a cursory glance at the PVP board reveals much of the same.

If you can stomach these boards, you've likely rolled a night elf, read self-help literature for fun, and enjoy typing uplifting haikus and mailing them off to your co-workers. It's amazing how disgustingly sweet a forum can be in a game that includes the word "Warcraft" in its title.  If the game designers had based the game on the general atmosphere of the boards, I'd be doing quests to help overweight gnomes feel better about themselves, seeing how many night elves I could flirt with in a hour, and then for an elite quest: defeat the grammar dragon by rapid-fire typing in broken English. Your "r u fem irl" hits Grammartron for 1337 points of confusion damage!

Instead of becoming a hotbed for inter-guild trash talk, character assassination, and commerce which one might suspect would happen considering that's what most Everquest board ended up becoming:  they've all become the general chat section.  Stupid attention hogging asswipes attempting their darndest to endear themselves to the entire viewing audience.  This has given rise to a number of generic poster types that I want stab repeatedly with physical representation of my animosity towards their existance (preferibly a big, serated knife):

The Blogger (or the MEMEME):

Ever wanted to know absolutely everything some anonymous night elf mangina does in game and their introspective views on it? You're in luck. You'll get to follow this person's struggles through newbiedom, mid-level crises, and eventual "ding 60, I love you all!" post. In every post they've been sucking up to the main uber guild, so it's no shock that later on you'll hear about them adjusting to uber life, the trials and tribulation of Molten Core, and how they deal with the "lesser" folk. Stay tuned for insightful Battlegrounds musings to come!

Anyone that tells this person to shut the fuck up and get a blog gets grilled for 5 pages by her throng of fawning night elf pals 4 life. This person, also for making themselves beloved by the community as a whole, gets a free pass on anything shitty they do. They can be the biggest prick in game and get nothing more than, "Ohh, she's just a big sweetie, you're an asshole!" even though the mangina just ninja-looted a purple item, threw a fit, and then stranded some group after hearthstoning and logging out. But because she shared with everyone the first time she got loot from Lucifron in only 1000 words of sugary bullshit, everything is forgiven.

[Hanzii]

We have a girl in out 30-40 person WoW guild... I think, they all have weird names.
She mentioned it in guildspeak or used the female pronoun regarding herself or somesuch. I told her, that there's no real females on the internet and that was the end of that.

Puzzle Pirates has a large female popolution, but apart from a slightly embaressing picture-thread (where those females that participated did it freely) there's been no real reaction one way or the other... but that game has (or used to have) a more mature playerbase.

[Ward]

I play horde... and maybe its just me... but I guess I must tend to run into all the real women that play female characters... over the 4 months I have been playing I have met 5 females (that have been confirmed) playing on the horde side... (2 of them played UO prior to Wow and one of them was even a lead PvPer in UO)

but then again... this must be a fluke... cause some of my friends who play the on the same server as I do, havent even (or heard the voice of to be 100% sure) a female in game... oh well sux to be them...


It could be a conspiricy... as I dont do the things the general pervy population does... I think the few females who do play are stalking me...  they are telling all their friends that there is a little orc rogue that is not the usuall pervert... there after me... help me please...

(ok maybe after that tirade I will be safe... :P)

[Lantien]

Here's an interesting bit that only you will find interesting, the pervy guild leader in question is Security from Trespass.  I still don't see how he got to be somewhat of a horde celebrity on our server.  Trespass was (probably still is) one of the most underachieving guilds on the server.  Not to mention they're a collective of magina control freaks, elf cybering orcs, and general compulsive /dance emoting, slobbering tards.  Ohh wait, you were "just kidding".. but damn.. there's just so much I should probably jot down somewhere.  So many tales of abject stupidy and general ridiculousness.

Haha! I sort of expected it to be The Obsidian Syndicate, since they were the ones that did a spate of in game weddings lately.

From the non-uber Alliance perspective, most of us know of Trespass purely through the old TM/SS fights. Broken at that point had quit PVPing as a group, and you usually expected to see Trespass throw out 10-20 folks out in Hillsbrad. In fact, I learned a lot of how to PVP as a warrior from watching Security; to hamstring opponents, charge and AoE Fear, and target selection.

I honestly don't follow how far the Horde has gotten with respect to PvE content, because for the most part the Horde tends not to advertise, or maybe I'm mentally filtering out the Horde brag posts.

Btw, your old guild has finally opening up Alterac Valley again. They apparently grab 20 odd guild members, and then invite in as many of the good PVPers that want to get in on this that they can. One of the horde hinted that there is some Ventrillo/Teamspeak voice thrown in for fun. Alliance says "AV'S UP!", and 40 people pub it up.

Needless to say, the Horde have now publically declared they've won AV twice since it's gone up. 

Needless to say on THAT, I'm avoiding AV. I love the idea of AV, I'd love to get AV faction; I don't want to be someone's cannon fodder.  :-D

Evisceration of drama queen snipped

Yeouch. That's pretty much spot on. You should check out the realm forums when they come back up; the last few posts have been introspective and hippie-raver goofy. They're definitely fodder for the "Board Thread of the Day", except the last thing our server needs is a fresh infusion of drama.

As for the women gamers, one of the Interguild group on my server recently put up a Ventrillo server. I logged on, and there's a relatively decent representation of female voices (more than one). There's always the prerequisite "oh snap, you're a Dude?" and the hilarious southern accent sprinkled in though.