He's lucky a suspension is all he got wearing that shit.

[stray]

Edit: Hmm...Time for a new avatar.

What's the name of the LAtino gang on the Shield? The Holy Rollers? YOu should use the guy with the crown of thorns skull tat from that gang.

No, I need something more innocent....Like a woman. 

This highschool subject is depressing me. Buddy Revell had to go.

[schild]

Emilio Estevez. As Repo Man.

Oh wait, I see where you're going.

Uhhhhmmmmmm, Queen Latifah.

[voodoolily]

If schildy sez it's okay, you can use this picture of my cuzzin La Fawnduh.

[Sky]

Are you asking for The Shocker?

I think I can oblige you that

That is not a regulation Shocker, it lacks the clitoral stimulation nub (aka thumb). Though I guess it does count as a ghetto shocker, since the 'shock' finger is in place...

Anyway, in school I spent a lot of time in lunch detention and full-day detention, I was always skipping the afterschool suspension (which led to two lunch detentions, skipping those led to the full day).

Full day detention room was with a guy I knew outside of school as monitor (my singer's father's friend), and it was right behind the music rooms (actually it was held backstage of the auditorium). So I'd grab a guitar and be able to sit and play all day long, wrote several songs that way. Kinda funny now that I think about it, my other guitar player used to bitch our music was getting too acoustic, I didn't give it much thought.

[voodoolily]

Geez, Sky. You and all your Save the Music moments.

[Fraeg]

*edit* why bother.... you guys with the panties in a bunch... doesn't that get uncomfortable after awhile?

-me

[Paelos]

The guy isn't asking for anything special, simply the ability to dress as he sees fit.... how in the motherfucking hell does a kid with lipstick and facepaint effect you?  Or his fellow students for that matter.

-me

The same way a car wreck on the other side of the median effects traffic. People will get distracted and stare.

I'll rehash the point that actually, yes he is asking for something special. He's asking to wear what is obviously something worn for shock value to a place run by the public. This is America, you have the right to look like a raging idiot, and the people have a right to refuse services to you because of something you can easily change, like your clothing. Part of being in a society is realizing where the boundaries are. He crossed one.

[voodoolily]

Thanks, Paelos, for catching that quote before it got edited away.

This is kinda a case of making mountains out of mole hills from my perspective. It's all relative, really. I don't remember where this kid lives (and am too lazy to look it up again), but in most major cities he wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow. At least if this is truly who he is, he know he can always just move to LA and live happily ever after.

Edit: spelling. I've been having technical difficulties all bleedin' day!

[stray]

The guy isn't asking for anything special, simply the ability to dress as he sees fit.... how in the motherfucking hell does a kid with lipstick and facepaint effect you?  Or his fellow students for that matter.

-me

The same way a car wreck on the other side of the median effects traffic. People will get distracted and stare.

I'll rehash the point that actually, yes he is asking for something special. He's asking to wear what is obviously something worn for shock value to a place run by the public. This is America, you have the right to look like a raging idiot, and the people have a right to refuse services to you because of something you can easily change, like your clothing. Part of being in a society is realizing where the boundaries are. He crossed one.

Hope that works out for you, Paolos.

[Paelos]

If you are going to insult my POV, at least spell the name right. It has an "e" in it.

[stray]

If you are going to insult my POV, at least spell the name right. It has an "e" in it.

Okay, "Paelos".

You're POV sucks, btw.

[Paelos]

If you are going to insult my POV, at least spell the name right. It has an "e" in it.

Okay, "Paelos".

You're POV sucks, btw.

Sorry society touched you in the bad place. Continue to rage against the machine...for some reason I'm still not clear on.

[Rasix]

You're POV sucks, btw.

Always refreshing to see the your/you're mistake in reverse.

I have nothing to actually contribute here. (I'm not very interesting. I just try to forget high school.)  So, carry on.  :)

[stray]

You're POV sucks, btw.

Always refreshing to see the your/you're mistake in reverse.

I have nothing to actually contribute here. (I'm not very interesting. I just try to forget high school.)  So, carry on.  :)

Hmm...Damn....Yeah, I'm like stupid, but in a good way.

[Margalis]

Lets see.  We can toss the one kid who shows up dressed for an 80s horror show and obviously breaking school rules regarding dress, or we can toss the twenty odd students who are shocked by the display.

Shocked! SHOCKED I SAY!

[Shockeye]

I'm going with Paelos on this one.

[Margalis]

The same way a car wreck on the other side of the median effects traffic. People will get distracted and stare.

Who do you blame for traffic slowing after a wreck on the side of the road? I blame the stupid drivers who slow down to look, not the guy who ran into a ditch. Maybe that's the difference. I think people are directly responsible for the things they do and "gee, I just couldn't help it" or "that's human nature" is a dumb excuse.

[voodoolily]

I'm going with Margalis on this one.

[Murgos]

I'm going with Margalis on this one.

Yeah, but unfortunately blaming the drivers doesn't fix the traffic congestion.

[Margalis]

Yeah, but unfortunately blaming the drivers doesn't fix the traffic congestion.

In the school case, I'm sure there are kids in his class who whisper, make jokes, and otherwise disrupt class. Those are the kids who should be suspended. And if it's every kid, they just won't learn anything by their own hand. I think "the kids just can't help from wasting class time making jokes" is a weak excuse. Treat people like small children and that's what they'll be.

If the kid with red hair is quiet, and I'm in the class and quiet, and some loudmouths are constantly tittering about his red hair, *that's* who I'm complaining about. "The red hair made me do it" is weak. It's as if you guys think kids are incapable of controlling their mouths and shouldn't be expected to, and that it's not a teacher's place to enforce classroom order. The guys talking are ok but the guy with the mohawk is not.

[Murgos]

You are missing the point that WE have to create a generation that is mostly functional.

Teaching one kid with pink hair rather than 30 who think pink hair is funny (which it is) is a pretty sure way to end it all miserably.

For once on this board the cart before the horse analogy fits.  Your so stuck on the rights of the accused that you're going to sink the ship to save docking fees.

[voodoolily]

Just as the kid sporting the mohawk should grow the fuck up and dress appropriately, the rest of the kids should grow the fuck up and respect diversity and others' right to self-expression. Except that the mohawk kid is a kid who won't get many more chances in life to sport a bad haircut (which I actually think is cute, btw) than right now. The main difference is that while bad taste should be "just a phase", tolerance should be a trait we all have all the time.

[Shockeye]

Just as the kid sporting the mohawk should grow the fuck up and dress appropriately, the rest of the kids should grow the fuck up and respect diversity and others' right to self-expression. Except that the mohawk kid is a kid who won't get many more chances in life to sport a bad haircut (which I actually think is cute, btw) than right now. The main difference is that while bad taste should be "just a phase", tolerance should be a trait we all have all the time.

I refuse to tolerate the black lipstick. It makes him look cheap and trashy.

[voodoolily]

Shhhh... it's just a phase. Next season silver will be the rage. Mark my words.

[Sky]

Just as the kid sporting the mohawk should grow the fuck up and dress appropriately, the rest of the kids should grow the fuck up and respect diversity and others' right to self-expression. Except that the mohawk kid is a kid who won't get many more chances in life to sport a bad haircut (which I actually think is cute, btw) than right now. The main difference is that while bad taste should be "just a phase", tolerance should be a trait we all have all the time.

/applaud

Unfortunately, the message being sent and example being set by our political and religious leaders is that of intolerance.

Uh...way to go, leaders!

[voodoolily]

Thanks, Sky, for the unsarcastic applause.

The "zero-tolerance" policy is so misdirected. Why not save it for hate crimes and the like instead of tormenting kids trying to make a statement?

[Shockeye]

Why not save it for hate crimes and the like instead of tormenting kids trying to make a statement?

Why are "hate crimes" worse than other crimes?

[UD_Delt]

What the fuck?

When did High School change from a place to get an education to a place to "express yourself"?

Put on a uniform, shut the fuck up, and try and improve your lot in life.

Or bitch about how you're oppressed....

Whatever...

[voodoolily]

Why not save it for hate crimes and the like instead of tormenting kids trying to make a statement?

Why are "hate crimes" worse than other crimes?

Notice I said "and the like". Some crimes, like smoking marijuana that you grew yourself, or consentual sex in minors, are relatively victimless and don't need the fervent smackdown they usually receive.

[Shockeye]

No, I mean more like, why is simply killing a person bad, but killing someone who is gay a "hate crime" and therefore worse? It's like affirmative action in sentences. It's silly. Murder is murder.

[HaemishM]

They've taught the kid a valuable life lesson. You can express yourself all you want, but if you do so, you better be willing to except the consequences of how others react to your expression. If you handle that by pissing and moaning about being oppressed, here's your sign, go wait in line with the other victims.

[voodoolily]

No, I mean more like, why is simply killing a person bad, but killing someone who is gay a "hate crime" and therefore worse? It's like affirmative action in sentences. It's silly. Murder is murder.

Do you really think there's no difference between a murder and a lynching?

Edit: a hate crime is one that is intended to "send a message" to the surviving members of the targeted group.

[Pococurante]

No, I mean more like, why is simply killing a person bad, but killing someone who is gay a "hate crime" and therefore worse? It's like affirmative action in sentences. It's silly. Murder is murder.

Some murders disproportionately destabilize society.  Otherwise we wouldn't particularly penalize assassinations of public officials like cops and judges.

[Murgos]

Crimes done for hate I can understand.  Someone or something pisses you off and you act on it, I get it.  I think we should penalize hateless crimes more.

"Why did you beat up that man?"

"Damned asshole pissed me off!"

"Ah, ok, well thats wrong, being upset is no reason to hurt someone.  Three years and an anger management course.   Next case."

"Why did you shoplift that pen?"

"Dunno, nothing better to do."

"You're broken.  Death penalty.  Next case."

[Sky]

Punish crimes, not motivations.

A cop or judge being gunned down should be prosecuted exactly the same as a driveby shooting should be prosecuted the same as a mother drowning her kids in a tub. To the fullest extent of the law. Prosecuting 'special' crimes to a fuller extent of the law cheapens the 'normal' cases and is a slap in the face of the victims. (and cops and judges know the risks they are exposing themselves to when they join the force/bar, a murdered child doesn't have that kind of choice).

But mostly, punish according to the crime. Someone with a truck full of marijuana shouldn't be looking at time anywhere near anyone who ever violently injured another human being, the american sense of justice and punishment is severely out of whack. As evidenced by Murgos thinking a shoplifter should get the death penalty (in an ironic attempt to show a broken person).