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Reply #210 on: February 24, 2021, 03:00:25 PM

In a similar vein...I actually prefer the look of the 'halloween' costumes for Wanda and Vision over their MCU versions thus far  DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS

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Reply #211 on: February 25, 2021, 08:01:27 AM

It is the old school '70's Avengers costumes and I absolutely loved them, despite their ridiculousness.

I did always like that Grant Morrison's run on Justice League  portrayed Plastic Man as one of the most powerful supers on the planet. Kind of like how super-speed of the kind depicted in Flash would make him so much more powerful than almost any villain he could face. If your body is so malleable that it can make almost any shape regardless of size or mass, I think that'd be a pretty powerful set of abilities if you had enough imagination to use it.

And gross. Definitely gross.

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Reply #212 on: February 25, 2021, 09:02:17 AM

I used to read Plastic Man comics back in the day and am overjoyed to learn I'm not the only person that's heard of him. On the whole "depicting stretching powers hasn't worked thing" I think it'll requite really well done CGI to make it work. The Incredibles made it work because they did it without it seeming out of place in their world. Seeing it in live-action always looks kind of weird and fake so far in my opinion.

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Reply #213 on: February 25, 2021, 09:26:37 AM

It is the old school '70's Avengers costumes and I absolutely loved them, despite their ridiculousness.

I did always like that Grant Morrison's run on Justice League  portrayed Plastic Man as one of the most powerful supers on the planet. Kind of like how super-speed of the kind depicted in Flash would make him so much more powerful than almost any villain he could face. If your body is so malleable that it can make almost any shape regardless of size or mass, I think that'd be a pretty powerful set of abilities if you had enough imagination to use it.

And gross. Definitely gross.
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Reply #214 on: February 25, 2021, 09:51:38 AM

Who would beat who kind of had its ultimate day in the JLA/Avengers comic they produced a while back, both because they had some clever match-ups and because every fight had to be approved by both companies...
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Reply #215 on: Today at 03:30:10 AM

Not really a fan of this week's episode but it did explain a lot. It did feel like they left an important 5 min or so on the cutting room floor though.
I should say that there was a lot of good in the episode and it may be spoilerish if I said why I didn't like it that much so just in case
Agnes' behavior from 1-6 didn't really match episode 7 IMO; there's a resolution to that here.

I think opinions may vary on this episode but I think most people will be pleased with the direction of the story now.

I'm not sure why I am surprised but it looks like they are also looking at a 21st century Scarlet Witch series as inspiration as well. Pretty neat trick to tie disparate storylines from several different decades into one MCU show.

There's another mid credit scene that pays homage to the comics.
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Reply #216 on: Today at 05:18:07 AM

The mid credit scene is a bit more than a homage, it is very plot central - though wasn't sure what was meant by 'energy from the original source'.

I liked the episode.

It does show they hit the wrong note with the Agatha reveal though.

I'd like them to have squeezed in more on Agatha, but I probably only think that because of the apparent conflict between the last episode and this one.

I can't think of anything in the MCU that transitioned to the final showdown that well.
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Reply #217 on: Today at 08:57:02 AM

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The mid credit scene is a bit more than a homage, it is very plot central - though wasn't sure what was meant by 'energy from the original source'.
While they showed that Wanda had some small innate talent with magic, she got all her power from the Mind Stone.  The Mind Stone later is what powered Vision.  They recovered the drone infused with her Mind Stone (and Chaos?) Magic, and syphoned it off to use.

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Reply #218 on: Today at 09:29:39 AM

I'm glad that they actually stuck to Wanda being the one who made the whole thing happen and not Agatha.

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Reply #219 on: Today at 09:30:07 AM

My contribution to the argument about the big bad reveal

But I get these things wrong.  A lot.
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Reply #220 on: Today at 09:41:01 AM

I will note that Haemish is the one who put the D theory in play here first.
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Reply #221 on: Today at 09:43:48 AM

Ah, thanks for bringing that up.  Yeah, I felt exactly the same way.

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I will note that Haemish is the one who put the D theory in play here first.
Whoops, missed that along the way somewhere!
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Reply #222 on: Today at 10:11:04 AM

I'm glad that they actually stuck to Wanda being the one who made the whole thing happen and not Agatha.

I think they did a fantastic job of making it Wanda while not making her unavoidably a villain now.

I also really like the angle of Agatha being broadly neutral rather than a flat out antagonist.

They'd get all the gold stars if the 'I've been trying to snap you out of it for 6 episodes' thing was better supported. But this was still smarter than anything else we've seen in the MCU.

I don't think sword guy is working with anyone though. I think he just wanted his robot to work. He lied about what was happening in the footage because he doesn't want two visions and is happier without Wanda around to potentially turn off his vision.

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Reply #223 on: Today at 11:12:23 AM

I think opinions may vary on this episode but I think most people will be pleased with the direction of the story now.

For the most part. I still think the Agatha reveal was a bit of a misfire, and I think it also betrays a slight lack of confidence in the writers that they felt they couldn't write an MCU story that didn't have a super-villain in it.

Still don't see Hayward as necessarily a villain either. I know by comic book logic we'd generally consider him as such, but it's also kind of a "yeah, no shit this is how a government agency would act" when it comes to dealing with something like Vision's corpse.
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Reply #224 on: Today at 11:55:52 AM

So, my takeaways from the episode:

Hayward:

Agatha:

My biggest letdown with this episode was no Monica and Pietro. Next episode is the final episode correct? Or are there 2 more?

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Reply #225 on: Today at 12:03:02 PM

So, my takeaways from the episode:

Hayward:

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Reply #226 on: Today at 01:59:44 PM

I wasn't fussed about the lack of monica and pietro - they are already final showdown ready. Especially as I expect they are all on the same side as Agatha and Wanda next week.

I was a bit surprised they didn't explain the multiverse but I guess they need to do that in a film anyway so no point being explicit here.

I noticed this one crept up to 46 minutes and wonder if it might be even longer next week.

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Reply #227 on: Today at 05:24:11 PM

I'm glad that Agatha got the exact sort of role I was hoping they were going to go for, she never really seemed to be evil in what were revealed to be her interactions and was more prodding Wanda. I'm guessing we're going to see a Vision v. Vision showdown next episode. I am curious to see if Hayward is going to be just a power mad creep or is going to tie into some other big bad. His only goal does seem to have been getting himself a real working Vision but it seems real odd that he knew Wanda had the power to bring him back. Some potential Hydra connection to know about the Mind Stone and Wanda?

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Reply #228 on: Today at 07:42:39 PM

In the comics, the Vision "dies" because he'd previously attempted to take over the entire world via integrated computing systems due to his fury at how badly mistreated he and Wanda were when they tried to have a normal suburban life in...New Jersey, but also because he encounters a sentient computer system that runs the very small world of Titan (where Thanos is from) and concludes that running the world is a snap.

This fails badly for a bunch of reasons, but basically the people who really run the world are so alarmed that the Vision was able to take over their computing systems that they kidnap him, dissemble him, and make sure he can't do it again. They don't care if he gets reassembled after that as long as they feel they understand how he did it in the first place and can reliably prevent it from happening again.
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