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on: June 12, 2018, 10:28:14 AM

Let's talk about the biggest movie event of the year.


To kick off we'll go back to that old trope, rating Pixar movies.  The linked list is a prime example of what happens when journalists/movie critics rank Pixar movies. UP is just not that fucking good and Wall-E should not be 2nd. Fucking hell.

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Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 10:43:00 AM

Correct.  Wall-E should be #1, easily.


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Reply #2 on: June 12, 2018, 01:17:25 PM

The Incredibles is the best Fantastic Four movie ever made.  Without seeing it, Incredibles 2 is second on that list.

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Reply #3 on: June 12, 2018, 02:57:38 PM

Correct.  Wall-E should be #1, easily.


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Wall-E is a good to great movie.

Is it better than Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc, Incredibles, and/or Toy Story 1 or 3?

No.

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Reply #4 on: June 13, 2018, 01:42:23 PM

I certainly agree that Wall-E and Toy Story 1 are the top two; I'm not sure I can really choose a winner between the two.

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Reply #5 on: June 14, 2018, 04:36:45 AM

UP is just not that fucking good and Wall-E should not be 2nd. Fucking hell.

Every word of this is wrong.

(though believing wall-e should be first is an acceptable opinion)

Up gets far too much shit from a forum that has posters unironically defending everything from First Contact to Thor 2.
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Reply #6 on: June 14, 2018, 06:44:03 AM

UP is a fucking awful movie.

Just Fucking Awful.

I'm not intending to fight anyone, but this is quite a firm belief on my part.  I ain't shifting opinion for no-one.

Wall-E is an interesting one.  I like it a lot and it has a lot of charm and it works really quite well, but is it better than Toy Story ?  Yes.  Yes, it is.  Is it better than Toy Story 2 ?  No.  No, it is not.

Toy Story 3 can suck a dick though.

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Reply #7 on: June 14, 2018, 06:52:01 AM

UP is just not that fucking good and Wall-E should not be 2nd. Fucking hell.

Every word of this is wrong.

(though believing wall-e should be first is an acceptable opinion)

Up gets far too much shit from a forum that has posters unironically defending everything from First Contact to Thor 2.

What's wrong with Thor 2?
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Reply #8 on: June 14, 2018, 06:54:23 AM

UP is a fucking awful movie.

Let me just make the argument that it's... SQUIRREL!
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Reply #9 on: June 14, 2018, 07:15:16 AM

I thought the beginning of UP was great, but the latter half was mediocre at best.

I haven't actually seen WALL-E, so no comment. Its gotta be better than Frozen though...

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Reply #10 on: June 14, 2018, 08:15:39 AM

What's wrong with Thor 2?

It feels like it is about 15 hours long and the only interesting plot point is Loki taking over Asgard - which happens entirely off screen.

Everything on earth screams of a no budget afterthought that they didn't have the confidence to drop entirely, and the big fight at the end would have worked better as an episode of Dr Who.

To be fair it kept me awake for most of the first viewing. But on a second sitting it is just turgid.
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Reply #11 on: June 14, 2018, 10:12:23 AM

Thor 2 is shit because its pretty bad. Everything going through the motions the big threatening villain was beaten by a aluminum radio dish built by jane foster in her basement. The big cgi booo-raa-raa was un-inspired and the major plot elements like Thor mother dying, and Loki dying heroically, was...not that inspired either. The most interesting moment was an after credit scene. They honestly had no real idea what to do with Thor his part of the marvel universe and nearly convinced us that no we don't want anymore thor solo movies. Luckily they changed directors and course corrected but holy fuck was that movie a waste of time.

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Reply #12 on: June 15, 2018, 09:12:20 AM

fucking derailers.

No one ever rewatches Up, everyone slobbers over it because of the opening scene. It did however give us the cone of shame and..SQUIRREL. That's it.

Look Wall-E is good to great. I can sit and watch that movie any time. I can also do the same with Ratatouille.

Toy Story 3 was fucking great. Lotso Huggin Bear, Latino Buzz, The incinerator scene, Mr Tortilla head and that last scene? I've seen 60 year old men bawl their eyes out at that movie.


Also we haven't even mentioned Inside Out, holy fuck THAT movie.

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Reply #13 on: June 15, 2018, 12:35:30 PM

Glad to see I'm not the only one that found UP to be pretty boring. First five minutes were complete Art, the rest of it... meh.

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Reply #14 on: June 15, 2018, 02:35:35 PM

UP starts strong but only goes DOWN from there.


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Reply #15 on: June 17, 2018, 08:26:22 PM

The short shown before the movie was... uh... something else.

 ACK!

The movie is very good.
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Reply #16 on: June 18, 2018, 01:00:26 AM

I actually thought the short was pretty good.   Weird animated metaphor with that twist at the end, yes, but still pretty good.   Don't think anything will ever beat La Luna for me though.

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Reply #17 on: June 18, 2018, 03:43:32 AM

The short was ok but we took our 2 10yos and our 8yo and TBH they wern't impressed with it.

Incredibles 2 was ok but nothing to write home about. I loved the first one but the best thing about the second was the car... and the credits rolling at the end. It just didn't have the same feel as the first which to me was faster paced and an easy watch. Tedious but inoffensive would be my summary.

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Reply #18 on: June 18, 2018, 03:55:54 AM

I havn't seen II yet, but I got the distinct impression from the first one that the director would be quite happy in making a Bioshock movie, only Andrew Ryan is the hero. Does II change that view?

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Reply #19 on: June 18, 2018, 06:01:38 AM

Wall-E is a good to great movie.

Is it better than Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc, Incredibles, and/or Toy Story 1 or 3?

No.

Yes.

Having children I have a completely new view on Pixar movies, Finding Dory is better than Finding Nemo because trying to explain to a 3 and 4 year old why Nemos mother got eaten by a barracuda in the first ten minutes is not a fun ride. Also fuck Toy Story one, you know the one where a child tortures and imprisons Toys, I mean I always thought Toy Story 2 was superior but now I have evidence.

In terms of fun for all family Wall-e is an outlier, there just isn't enough quality films out that actually cater for all ages and the fact that I get to explain concepts like why it's a good idea to treat our planet with respect makes it our number one family film of all time.
Also Coco is better than all those movies you just mentioned, bar maybe the original Incredibles.

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Reply #20 on: June 18, 2018, 10:26:00 AM

My kid asked to watch Wall-e when he about 8. I said sure, expecting him to be back in 10 minutes asking for something else. But no, he was glued to it from start to finish. That changed my view of the movie, that something so slow-paced and with so little dialogue could keep an 8-year old completely involved was impressive.
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Reply #21 on: June 18, 2018, 02:43:20 PM

Wall-E is a good to great movie.

Is it better than Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc, Incredibles, and/or Toy Story 1 or 3?

No.

Yes.

Having children I have a completely new view on Pixar movies, Finding Dory is better than Finding Nemo because trying to explain to a 3 and 4 year old why Nemos mother got eaten by a barracuda in the first ten minutes is not a fun ride. Also fuck Toy Story one, you know the one where a child tortures and imprisons Toys, I mean I always thought Toy Story 2 was superior but now I have evidence.

In terms of fun for all family Wall-e is an outlier, there just isn't enough quality films out that actually cater for all ages and the fact that I get to explain concepts like why it's a good idea to treat our planet with respect makes it our number one family film of all time.
Also Coco is better than all those movies you just mentioned, bar maybe the original Incredibles.

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Reply #22 on: June 18, 2018, 06:26:57 PM

I like Coco but wasn't blown away but I'm going to have to rewatch. I didn't care much for Ratatouille on first watch and now I'm more likely to sit down and watch a random cable showing of that than Shawshank..

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Reply #23 on: June 19, 2018, 12:32:22 AM

I like Coco but wasn't blown away but I'm going to have to rewatch. I didn't care much for Ratatouille on first watch and now I'm more likely to sit down and watch a random cable showing of that than Shawshank..
Ratatouille is probably among my top 4 pixar movies. (Incredibles 1, cars, Ratatouille, Inside Out, in no particular order).  Something about the overall story and the message they were going for just sticks with me.  I also think that the monologue review on Critics at the end when the Gourmet Critic finally does his review is probably one of the best written pieces I have ever seen in an animated work, ever.

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Reply #24 on: June 21, 2018, 02:44:42 AM

I enjoyed this one.  It's been long enough since seeing the first that I can't say whether I liked it more or less, but it was good IMO.  My only complaint was that I saw the twist coming about ten minutes into the movie -- but it's a kid's movie, whatever.  It was fun.

I havn't seen II yet, but I got the distinct impression from the first one that the director would be quite happy in making a Bioshock movie, only Andrew Ryan is the hero. Does II change that view?

I would say yes.  The movie actually makes what I read as pointed jabs at objectivism and wealthy privilege -- there's a line at one point about "these politicians can't imagine that anyone would do something simply because it's the right thing to do, so you make them nervous," and another about "they're rich, they'll get off with a slap on the wrist."  My whole theater broke into cheers at that last one.

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