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Reply #455 on: January 12, 2021, 10:49:00 AM

Placide seems like another character that they likely had more interactions planned with once upon a time--there's enough effort put into his character model etc. that the limited interactions you have seem odd.

I was also slightly annoyed that V wasn't allowed to put two and two together in terms of who had been behind Evelyn in the first place if your V went ahead and read all the shards they'd been collecting up to that point. Brigitte is in there under another name. If you're attentive you already know a lot about her by the time you meet her. That's another thing that is kind of underwritten in the game--you don't get dialogue branches that reward your acquisition of information.

I've seen that you can side with NetWatch but it's pretty damn hard to stealth past Sasquatch plus Sasquatch drops something good.
Yea I killed Sasquatch then sided with Netwatch. That was one of the few questlines that seemed to have multiple paths through it that actually changed things.

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Reply #456 on: January 12, 2021, 11:04:05 AM

I have to say for a game with an adjustable penis as a selling point there is a rather big chastity belt surrounding the main character.

But beyond that the game was pretty meh. I think there was one side quest with a mayor that sounded like it was going someone and rapidly went nowhere. The main story was rather bad and the lack of an affective reroll option means that the games only good part "being able to do janky shit with the combat system" is basically walled off until someone release a mod. Overall my only real regret is not catching this on a steam sale for 20 bucks.

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Reply #457 on: January 12, 2021, 11:11:55 AM

There are sooooo many data shards with dialog. I was collecting them all at first but the time investment to locate them and read them just got to be way too much for me.

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Reply #458 on: January 12, 2021, 12:42:48 PM

Stuff like what you all are talking about is the biggest sign that they were pushed to get the game out. Had it had more time I think it'd have been much better.

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Reply #459 on: January 13, 2021, 04:38:16 PM

Developer's response:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3V4UBZmC9o&feature=emb_logo

Apparently the release issues with old consoles weren't noticed in testing... somehow... and they were confident they'd get the stuff they did notice fixed by release.  Console versions were "rapidly improving" at that point, which was why reviewers weren't given console review copies until later.

Also claimed that nobody is being forced to work overtime at the minute or in future projects, due to the backlash over forced crunch time in the run-up to release.

Roadmap sez: stability and technical fixes incoming in the next ten days or so, free DLC is still on track for 2021 but probably not until Q2 at the earliest.
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Reply #460 on: January 13, 2021, 05:05:56 PM

Also claimed that nobody is being forced to work overtime at the minute or in future projects, due to the backlash over forced crunch time in the run-up to release.

Is that like the previous time the powers that be at CDPR said there wouldn't be mandatory crunch (which they went back on as soon as they decided they needed mandatory crunch)?

Edit: Would have been better just saying that they fucked up, they're sorry, and that they know they have to earn trust back. This bullshit about the console issues though... not seeing the problems is an excuse that maybe works when you're talking about PC since nobody can test every PC build someone might be using. That shit doesn't really fly though when you're talking about a console. If they didn't see all the issues, they either weren't looking all that hard, or are just full of shit.
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Reply #461 on: January 14, 2021, 12:13:45 AM

Or the testers were lazy and rushed and only did a few pre-scripted things and management was honestly (but still culpably) clueless about the actual state. Which still comes down to bad management, no matter how it's spun or what actually led to the debacle.

The problem is, NOBODY is willing to pay what it actually costs to make good software anymore. It's just too complicated, and requires too much time from too many expensive highly experienced specialists of a dozen different types.  Art is cheap.  Even merely relatively bug-free software is anything but.

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Reply #462 on: January 14, 2021, 10:24:41 AM

I read somewhere they weren't able to work with their usual 3rd party QA people due to Covid so that may have played a roll as well.

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Reply #463 on: January 14, 2021, 01:26:07 PM

I know I am going to get pilloried for this, but I genuinely believe that they would have been better off* using almost any other actor for Johhny Silverhands. The character comes off better to me when i have the sound off and am just reading the captions, then when Keanu is talking. JS is such a dynamic and out there character, and Mr Reeves is not.

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Reply #464 on: January 14, 2021, 02:18:26 PM

Are there people who think Reeves did a good job in the role?

I personally would've gone with Mickey Rourke, but I fuckin love me some Mickey Rourke with 'tude.

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Reply #465 on: January 14, 2021, 02:26:34 PM

The thing about Keanu Reeves is that he's not a good actor. Never has been. What he's great at is reading a script and understanding the production of a movie. I watch most Keanu Reeves movies, not because he's good but because he picks great movies to be in. I feel the same about this game.
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Reply #466 on: January 14, 2021, 03:03:43 PM

The thing about Keanu Reeves is that he's not a good actor. Never has been. What he's great at is reading a script and understanding the production of a movie. I watch most Keanu Reeves movies, not because he's good but because he picks great movies to be in. I feel the same about this game.

He's an actor that if a movie fits him, he can be very good. He was great in the Matrix. Bill and Ted of course. He's very good as John Wick as well. Most other stuff he's...alright. I think it's most accurate to say he seems to be a super likeable genuinely kind man who is an actor who doesn't have much range but when used correctly he can be great.

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Reply #467 on: January 14, 2021, 03:26:29 PM

I think Keanu is generally a pretty good actor, but he doesn't have a ton of voice acting experience. I don't know who CDPR has direct their voice actors, but it doesn't necessarily surprise me that a Polish video game development studio maybe didn't know how to get the best performance out of a famous actor. I can understand how maybe there wasn't someone there who was able to say "try delivering the line this way" to him.

That said, I also think Johnny is one of the worst written characters in the game both in how the actual dialogue is written and in terms of his character arc and how it plays out throughout the game. He has to be a completely over the top, abusive asshole, and a sympathetic character you could conceivably be willing to sacrifice yourself for and everything in between, and he doesn't necessarily go from one to the other in a straight line, especially depending on the order you do things in.   
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Reply #468 on: January 14, 2021, 05:16:47 PM

I would have liked to see Peter Stormare - but he doesn't have the same star power.

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Reply #469 on: January 14, 2021, 05:58:22 PM

Keanu is definitely not a great match for the actual character, who is pretty interesting. The actual character is a cynical, violent, passionate, romantic, contradictory person. I think he does ok with it? But there are a good ten to fifteen actors I can think of who would have been considerably better.

Jackie's voice actor is great. Male V is sort of, eh, ok? Not bad. Haven't played female V yet.

Panam and Judy's voice actors are fantastic, with great model work. River's voice actor is very good.

The fixer voice actors are ok at best? But I did think the Voodoo Boys voice acting was quite good. Placide's voice actor fills the character out really well.

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Reply #470 on: January 14, 2021, 09:34:20 PM

Keanu is definitely not a great match for the actual character, who is pretty interesting. The actual character is a cynical, violent, passionate, romantic, contradictory person. I think he does ok with it? But there are a good ten to fifteen actors I can think of who would have been considerably better.

Jackie's voice actor is great. Male V is sort of, eh, ok? Not bad. Haven't played female V yet.

Panam and Judy's voice actors are fantastic, with great model work. River's voice actor is very good.

The fixer voice actors are ok at best? But I did think the Voodoo Boys voice acting was quite good. Placide's voice actor fills the character out really well.



Female V is much, much better than male V. Though I've noticed this is a trend in games with a choice in protagonists to be honest. The female VA is almost always better than the male. I think they just work harder or something. I pretty much agree on the others.

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Reply #471 on: January 14, 2021, 09:56:19 PM

Female V is leaps and bounds better than Male V, who sounds like an Irish guy trying to play a New Yorker. Panam's weird non use of conjunctions bugs me at times, but her voice acting is pretty solid overall. Judy's acting is just the best of the bunch.

Keanu is fine as Silverhand. Johnny was a dick but an aspirational one and Keanu's disaffected, world-weary "fuck it all" sold it for me. 

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Reply #472 on: January 14, 2021, 10:06:01 PM

Female V is leaps and bounds better than Male V, who sounds like an Irish guy trying to play a New Yorker. Panam's weird non use of conjunctions bugs me at times, but her voice acting is pretty solid overall. Judy's acting is just the best of the bunch.

Keanu is fine as Silverhand. Johnny was a dick but an aspirational one and Keanu's disaffected, world-weary "fuck it all" sold it for me. 

My problem with Male V is the same problem I have with a lot of Male VAs honestly. He sounded like he was trying to hard to be tough or something and it just made me roll my eyes.

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Reply #473 on: January 14, 2021, 10:10:11 PM

Accurate assessment.

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Reply #474 on: January 15, 2021, 08:28:39 AM

I'm almost cringing at a lot of the male V line deliveries. That's one of the problems when you make it 1st person, at least with 3rd person I feel like I'm controlling this weirdo and then watching what he does in cutscenes. And seeing a decently animated delivery in a cutscene goes a long way to elevate the VA's performance (I'm thinking of Days Gone in particular here, as I didn't care for the VA at first and he really grew into a full character that I cared about by the end....getting NONE of that in 2077).

I like Keanu's performance better overall thus far than the male V.

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Reply #475 on: January 15, 2021, 11:00:01 AM

Silent protagonists are best protagonists.

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Reply #476 on: January 15, 2021, 11:09:52 AM

Yeah, Male V not only doesn't seem right in terms of delivery, his lines don't feel right in the setting a lot of the time. He seems naive in strange ways, tough at incongruent moments, etc. He doesn't feel completely open-ended like an Elder Scrolls main but he doesn't feel as specifically realized as Geralt or Shepard or a lot of other RPG protagonists. But at least some of that comes down to the voice acting for the character, which is just kind of meh.
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Reply #477 on: January 15, 2021, 06:50:27 PM

I think is voice acting is fine if you start him as Corpo but only as Corpo.

The slightly weird mix of situations he sounds confident and naive in, doesn't feel right for the other 2 prologues.

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Reply #478 on: January 16, 2021, 09:53:24 AM

Started off as street and he... was a mix bag. On one hand V is supposedly this harden criminal/mercenary who knows how to significant players in this games under world, but on the other hand is he is a complete and utter moron when it comes to not trusting people. It really doesn't feel like V is your character but it also doesn't feel like V is his own character. Like splitting the difference between a player insert and someone intended to have a narrative your suppose to care about.

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Reply #479 on: January 16, 2021, 04:19:40 PM

Female V corpo was still my best play through. Male V street kid kinda worked but still felt like he was faking the funk. Mulling which sex to do a nomad run with now.

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Reply #480 on: January 16, 2021, 09:17:31 PM

Finally decided to start the final sequence. Debated on clearing the map first, but was curious and kinda want to walk away for now - and finishing the storyline gives me a nice break point. Story was pretty solid...wasn't Horizon: Zero Dawn, but I don't see anything knocking that off the top of my list.

Hopeful they can clean up the game more and I'll probably be back for the DLC...but only on PS5

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Reply #481 on: January 17, 2021, 02:21:17 AM

Nothing will top Horizon for me at this point either. But this? Not fucking bad.

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Reply #482 on: January 17, 2021, 09:49:22 AM

Horizon's ending was kind of interesting. I don't know that it's my favorite of all time or anything, but I liked the conceptual twists, they weren't what I was expecting.

This one went kind of the way I expected. I'll wait for some DLC and patching and I'll probably play through to try and get the suicide run ending.

I'm almost tempted to try melee except that I didn't much care for it when I was doing my first guns-based playthrough.
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Reply #483 on: January 18, 2021, 06:16:21 PM

Horizon’s ending worked so well for me because it was Aloy coming to terms with who and what she was and then fulfilling that void she’d had since childhood by finding her “mother”.

Of the three endings I’ve gotten so far with Cyberpunk, the Aldecaldos one was the only one even approaching hopeful.

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Reply #484 on: January 18, 2021, 07:12:00 PM

Horizon's whole story stuck with me. It was the first game to really motivate me to learn what the hell is going on and pursue the details... rather than just a forgettable dialog on top of the shooty/slashy bits.

Cyberpunk is ok... but there is SO much shit to read that I don't really care to. Lots of cool abilities and toys in a meh game.

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Reply #485 on: January 19, 2021, 08:33:18 AM

HZD also hit for me because it's one of my favorite tropes (primitive society with an advanced tech society underneath).

Meanwhile Cyberpunk taps into a lot of stuff I find obnoxious. Any game that has a prominent soundtrack is bound to split the playerbase unless they can cover a lot of bases. I listen to a very wide variety of music and I can dig a few tunes here and there, but overall it's just a horribly niche soundtrack and significantly impacts the game for me (A lot of GTA's longevity is just cruising around listening to tunes because the soundtracks (and talk radio!) is SO good).

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Reply #486 on: January 19, 2021, 06:05:44 PM

I did the Aldecaldos ending and I thought yeah, it's kind of hopeful? But it's cyberpunk and the genre is not big on upbeat endings. Can't really think of anything that qualifies as cyberpunk that ends on a positive note, really.
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Reply #487 on: January 23, 2021, 07:46:14 PM

That's it. Simply surviving is optimistic in cyberpunk. The fact that you've got possibilities in the aftermath is as optimistic as it gets.

That said, my headcanon still says in that ending, V ends up connecting with some of the powers that be in my p&p cyberpunk campaigns who had worked out cloning/serial genetic manipulation.

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Reply #488 on: January 24, 2021, 09:55:16 PM

I was thinking that maybe corpo V ends up putting his own engram on a Relic chip and taking over someone else's body...(maybe even someone willing to allow it).

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Reply #489 on: Today at 11:14:12 AM

Riding the wasteland with my homeless girlfriend in search for a new homeless shelter is pretty hopeful. My issue with the game is that the endings are basically the same regardless of what you do, the choices are pretty "take red pill or blue pill". V not getting away scot free is pretty abrituary considering that V kinda sucks as a character.

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