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Shannow
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on: August 21, 2017, 01:58:19 PM

PSG - WTF?

Are Barcelona done? Can anyone stop Madrid in the CL?

lolarsenal

Go Huddersfield. Weareallterriers

Oh Spurs/Fuck you Alonso.

Man U or Man City, who's the favourite?

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Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 02:07:07 PM

If I had to put a bet down now, it would go on Man U. That lineup is goddamn insanely good, it's year 2 of Mourinho so he's not due to start pissing everyone off until April when the title is well-sealed and if he's in first place with more than 6 points on January 1st, he'll park 7 buses in front of the goal the rest of the stretch. Having one of the world's best keepers in DeGea (and the only reason United didn't drop below 8th in the post-Fergie years) means their defense will be better than the individual defenders in it (though Bailly is a beast). Of course, West Ham and Swansea are both not good teams so this could be premature.

The Neymar saga just gobsmacked me. Why would you leave Barca for PSG other than money? I guess once you've played at Barca, everything else is a step down so why not go for all the Euros?

It does appear though that the atmosphere at Barca is getting a might toxic, almost Real Madrid like only without 2 of the last 3 Champions' League trophies. I only hope that they don't manage to sway Liverpool off their conviction that Coutinho is staying because holy shit, Liverpool needs to be ADDING players, not letting their best player go somewhere else.

Chelsea needs to sort out its fucking soap opera but they will still challenge because that's a good team. Man City will buy 200 million quid worth of defenders and still be shit at the back.

Arsenal. LAUGH OUT LOUD.

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Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 05:12:54 PM

The Neymar saga just gobsmacked me. Why would you leave Barca for PSG other than money? I guess once you've played at Barca, everything else is a step down so why not go for all the Euros?
I don't follow soccer but I'm in the "Neymar wanted his own team (and didn't want to wait for Messi to retire)" camp.
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Reply #3 on: August 21, 2017, 05:18:26 PM

liverpool problem was defense, their big spending was for salah. Better hope for a miracle with joe gomez.
City's problem was kompany having injury problems and josh stones being bad, buying two extremely expensive full backs don't fix it.
Spurs like their ajax defenders, good starting 11 but very thin squad.
Chelsea had a good team, bought the type of players they need.
Manchester united needed a solid defensive midfielder which is exactly what they got with Matic.
Arsenal, wtf!

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Reply #4 on: August 21, 2017, 07:07:00 PM

Lets all agree that it's: #lolarsenal


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Reply #5 on: August 21, 2017, 10:16:30 PM

Blood, are you kidding me, fam?  why so serious?

Liverpool's defense improves mightily when that wee twat Alberto Moreno isn't playing at left back. Andy Robertson was man of the match, IMO on Saturday against Palace. Unlike Moreno, who tries to provide offense (and fails) and leaves himself unable to defend, Robertson can do both better. Yes, it was Palace, still, he never looked out of position like Moreno who just likes to go walkabout for no good goddamn reason. Don't know what would help their goddamn corners though, other than a new keeper, man-marking and putting someone on either post. Since none of those things will happen, a 4th place finish will be the best we can hope for.

Still don't understand what the fuck Chelsea were thinking selling Matic to United. Yes, let's give Mourinho exactly the type and quality of player he was missing last season.

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Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 12:44:51 AM

The defensive pair tends to be up and down, matip and lovren are bit too aggressive defensively and can open themselves up , klavan looked really good last season until he had some games where he looked like an amateur, sakho would be a good combination with matip but that's not going to happen.

Robertson is a far better overall left back, milner had problems going forward and moreno never understood defense. There was a very good reason why Rodgers preferred Joe gomez over moreno in the start of 15/16 season but then came the awful injury. We saw the same thing on the right side, much stronger defense with him instead of alexander-arnold, but not the same offense. Alexander-arnold is still young and it was obvious when hoffenheim scored, he should have protected the goal instead of waving his hand like a sissy and hoping for offside.

The corner problem is partially because we have so many short players, a bunch of 5'9 players like firmino, coutinho, salah, mane, wiynaldum, clyne, moreno, alexander-arnold and milner.
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Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 03:27:49 AM

If I had to put a bet down now, it would go on Man U. That lineup is goddamn insanely good, it's year 2 of Mourinho so he's not due to start pissing everyone off until April when the title is well-sealed and if he's in first place with more than 6 points on January 1st, he'll park 7 buses in front of the goal the rest of the stretch. Having one of the world's best keepers in DeGea (and the only reason United didn't drop below 8th in the post-Fergie years) means their defense will be better than the individual defenders in it (though Bailly is a beast). Of course, West Ham and Swansea are both not good teams so this could be premature.

Nailed it, not looking forward to post January if we do happen to be in pole position, so basking in the warm glow of 8 goals in two games which United fans haven't had in a while. Two bad teams maybe but also two teams that managed to grind out draws last season. Removing Carrick and Rooney has really brought a better sense of urgency to the team, although it's nice to see Rooney doing well in a team with less expectation and bring out his love of the game again. Then you have Matic, who is a big upgrade on Carrick.

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Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 09:48:33 AM

Rooney is still talented, but just his presence last year was a HUGE drag on United. You have to play him, or answer to the press and fans why not, but it's not like he really did much all year to justify taking someone else's position. He'll do fine at Everton where he can be a focal point and even at his age, be a better player than most of his team. Matic is just... 40 fucking million is way too cheap in this market for what he brings to an Prem side. I've become convinced that the holding midfielder role is the most important (and completely underrated) position in England right now. It's no coincidence that the last two champions had N'Golo Kante in their midfield. Matic at ManU would have given them at least 4th place last season, IMO, and I say that as someone who actually thought Carrick was worth having even at his level of play. Still don't understand what Mourinho sees in Fellaini other than a target dummy.

Swansea selling Sigurdson to Everton was just... oof. I can feel comfortable saying that is the move that will ensure their relegation this year. 50 million quid is not going to be enough to replace that guy in a team that has trouble scoring goals. With Mike Ashley's (lack of) help, I think Newcastle is going to flirt with relegation all season and only Rafa's defensive skills are going to keep them up. I haven't seen any of the newly promoted sides play yet but I think at least one of them goes down, with my money being on Brighton. Chris Hughton is a serviceable manager but his ceiling is based on the players he has, and that's likely a Championship level club. I think Huddersfield stays up.

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Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 10:08:42 AM

At times I thought Rooney looked a little disinterested and lacked confidence. But hey he's still one of the best centre forwards around. I wouldn't be surprised as the seasons go on Everton supported will see glimpses of the player that turned up in a United shirt the last few seasons.

Yeh Sigurdson has pretty much kept them out of the Championship for the last few seasons, can't see Swansea holding on without him, they look fairly average. Be interesting to see where Everton finish after their summer spending spree.

Do you think Coutinho will stay? I've no idea at this stage.

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Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 10:23:32 AM

Reports are this morning that Barca's given up and Coutinho is going to have a meeting with Liverpool officials to make peace soon. I'm going to guess he stays this season and fucks off next season if he's still wanted, a la Suarez.

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Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 12:00:07 PM

Todays rumor is that Barca is lining up £138M in a fourth offer for coutinho. I don't see liverpool letting him go regardless of what happens tonight.

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Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 12:06:37 PM

Unless they completely shit the bed tonight (which I don't see happening), there is no way they let him go this year. They just can't afford it, especially since depth in quality was their big issue last season. That money won't buy them the players they need NOW, much less with yet one more guy to replace.

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Reply #13 on: August 24, 2017, 11:52:40 AM

Champions league draw:
Grupp A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moskva
Grupp B: Bayern München, Paris Saint-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic
Grupp C: Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Karabach
Grupp D: Juventus. Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Lissabon
Grupp E: Spartak Moskva, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Grupp F: Sjaktar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyernoord
Grupp G: AS Monaco. Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Grupp H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel

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Reply #14 on: August 24, 2017, 11:57:44 AM

Liverpool lucked out SO HARD. That's an easily winnable group. Man U also got a decent draw. Poor Spurs.

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Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 02:35:43 PM

Man United nearly always draw a Russian team and Basel were a bit of a bogey team under Fergie, hopefully not anymore. Sp Ibra just re-joined us and the squad is starting to look impressive, this is roughly our second string as of right now - Romero, Blind, Smalling, Lindelof, Darmian, Herrera, Carrick, Fellaini, Martial, Lingaard, Ibrahimovic. That's a very strong 11 in it's own right.

No actual easy groups there, I think Bayern and PSG probably have the best of it. United should go through, but going to Russia is always tough and Basel as I said are our bogey team in Europe. Liverpool struggled against Sevilla previously and Spartak are always a potential shock. But I still expect both teams will go through, not without some bumps along the way.

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Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 05:27:26 PM

lol Group H, that's so spursy

Man City, Man U and Chelsea should all advance.

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Reply #17 on: August 27, 2017, 06:48:59 PM

#lolarsenal

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Reply #18 on: August 28, 2017, 01:59:36 AM

Excellent week for liverpool where they pummeled both hoffenheim and arsenal on anfield. Huge improvement in central midfield with henderson, can and wiynaldum coming together, on the flanks mane and salah is striking terror with good support from the full backs and Firmino.

Wish they would play like this against bottom 6.

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Reply #19 on: August 28, 2017, 09:10:36 AM

#lolarsenal

So much this. As good as Liverpool looked (except for Karius, WTF?), Arsenal looked infinitely as bad. There are non-league sides that would have whooped the shit out of Arsenal Sunday. I'm still not sure why Arsne started Welbeck up front over Lacazatte - Welbeck is fine but against a side with defenders like Liverpool's (i.e. ones who are horrible at defending swift defenders), Lacazette would have seemed to be the better choice. I'm not even sure if Arsene isn't just trolling the fans at this point.

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Reply #20 on: August 30, 2017, 08:40:13 AM

My kids soccer team for the fall has been assigned the name Liverpool.  I've bought the cool glasses, am working on the German accent and instructed the kiddos to always lose to the crappest teams in our division.

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Reply #21 on: September 01, 2017, 03:38:48 AM

Arsenal sold alex oxlade-chamberlain to liverpool, did a crazy attempt on thomas lemar that monaco agreed to but lemar said no, which stopped the sale of alexis sanchez to manchester city, that can leave for free next year. #lolarsenal

Liverpool bought 3 short quick players and sold sakho because they will never concede on a corner kick. Buying andrew robertson and still play alberto moreno as a "defender" shows the defensive genius strategy of Klopp.

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Reply #22 on: September 01, 2017, 05:56:03 PM

Yeah, I can't understand why Moreno is still getting minutes.

However, it pales in comparison to the circus that Arsenal has become. Lemar apparently didn't want to go to Arsenal because it was a Europa league team. OUCH. And Sanchez, who chose Arsenal over Liverpool when he came there because he wanted to live in London, now is ready to get the fuck out.

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Reply #23 on: September 06, 2017, 01:40:43 PM

Jeezus US soccer.

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Reply #24 on: September 07, 2017, 10:23:44 AM

Premier league just voted that the transfer window will end before the first game of premier league next season. They can still sell players to other leagues beyond that point. This would be a lot worse if it hadn't been for the fact that premier league clubs have the greatest purchasing power except for crazy spenders like PSG so the risk of PL clubs losing players to foreign clubs beyond that point is small.

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Reply #25 on: September 07, 2017, 11:29:56 AM

I get the feeling this is going to go badly for the PL clubs if for no other reason than the other big leagues in the world don't have this restriction.

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Reply #26 on: September 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM

Having your full team ready few days in advance instead of having to play 3 games and have an international break will make a huge difference. The only players PL teams will be ready to sell are the ones that are benched during the first three games unless PSG, BFC and RM put up silly money for a starter and there is a decent replacement.

There is no time to waste like spurs, arsenal and liverpool did this summer.

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Reply #27 on: September 07, 2017, 03:28:34 PM

There is no time to waste like spurs, arsenal and liverpool did this do every summer.

Fixed that for you.

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