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Reply #70 on: June 15, 2017, 03:00:58 PM

Yes, I got that. Which is what made her lack of awareness of her own sexual charisma even more baffling when thinking about it. Assume it's only self-pleasure that's the line is referring to. You're saying, yep everyone only masturbates so they're not attracted to other women and wouldn't have any awareness of their own sexual charisma and lack lust.

However we all know it's a wink and a nod to lesbianism and bisexuality. Which makes her lack of awareness just a scriptwriter throwing in a, "heh, lesbians," joke without considering the implications of the line. That makes it pretty patriarchal and separate from the interpretation of those who have latched onto it as a "go girl" moment. Wonder Woman isn't aware of her own sexuality until Rodgers brings it out of her, since she's obviously aware of it in BvS and uses it there.

Well you have to consider she is a beautiful woman from an island of beautiful women.  I am not sure how a society like that would handle sexual charisma if at all. Also she was basically the only child on the island and everybody there saw her grow up. I am sure that probably had a fair amount of impact on how others interacted with her.
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Reply #71 on: June 22, 2017, 08:06:02 PM

Yes, I got that. Which is what made her lack of awareness of her own sexual charisma even more baffling when thinking about it. Assume it's only self-pleasure that's the line is referring to. You're saying, yep everyone only masturbates so they're not attracted to other women and wouldn't have any awareness of their own sexual charisma and lack lust.

However we all know it's a wink and a nod to lesbianism and bisexuality. Which makes her lack of awareness just a scriptwriter throwing in a, "heh, lesbians," joke without considering the implications of the line. That makes it pretty patriarchal and separate from the interpretation of those who have latched onto it as a "go girl" moment. Wonder Woman isn't aware of her own sexuality until Rodgers brings it out of her, since she's obviously aware of it in BvS and uses it there.

Well you have to consider she is a beautiful woman from an island of beautiful women.  I am not sure how a society like that would handle sexual charisma if at all. Also she was basically the only child on the island and everybody there saw her grow up. I am sure that probably had a fair amount of impact on how others interacted with her.

It's pretty clear that the higher ups on the island know who and what she is. And from the way it is played, I think a lot of the Amazons equally worshipped and feared her. Just watch the training sequence.

I doubt any of them laid a finger on her for fear of what the Queen would do combined with the knowledge that she was basically alive purely to stop Ares.

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Reply #72 on: June 25, 2017, 01:16:56 AM

I thought this movie was decent.  I'm very confused about something that happens toward the end and need someone to explain it to me.


Also what happened to the battleship after that beach scene?

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Reply #73 on: June 25, 2017, 01:52:45 AM

The battleship appeared to be sinking, or at least listing very heavily to one side, so it is possible it either hit an undewater rock, or that crossing the barrier protecting Themiscrya did something to it.

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Reply #74 on: June 25, 2017, 10:49:44 AM

Ares is one war God. There are others.

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Reply #75 on: June 25, 2017, 03:20:10 PM

Is/was there a Kryptonian Ares that made Zod into an asshole?

I just have so many problems with this entire premise.  The movie was still fun though.

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Reply #76 on: June 25, 2017, 03:22:03 PM

Ares was a long time WoWo comic book foe.

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Reply #77 on: June 25, 2017, 07:14:43 PM

It makes sense if he's a recurring behind-the-scenes villain who various wars and atrocities can be blamed on when the need arises, but if he's the ultimate source of all evil in the world and you kill him, you kind of have a problem telling any more stories after that.

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Reply #78 on: June 25, 2017, 09:15:52 PM

The point they made was that he WASN'T the source of all mankind's evil, nor even of the war itself. He stokes the flames, he massages it here and there, but just getting rid of Ares wont end all wars because the problem is with mankind. I do think his defeat might have released some of the natural aggression he causes in those around him, and the Germans hugging the Americans at the end was meant to be a sign of that. That part of it even made me blink a little in the theater, it took me out of the movie immediately.

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Reply #79 on: June 25, 2017, 09:41:44 PM

They also just watched two gods go at it, so maybe they were all just like "holy fuck dudes why are we messing around".

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Reply #80 on: June 25, 2017, 09:59:34 PM

They also showed those German soldiers to be basically kids, fighting a war they probably wanted no part of.  Whether historically accurate or not, I did get where they were going with it but really my biggest problem was the ending slugfest with british Ares, just seemed poorly implemented plus Area escaping without the fight and having her fight be with something else would have set up a sequel better.

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Reply #81 on: June 26, 2017, 01:50:47 AM

If you take the view that Ares can cause War, but is not the source of all war, then the story works just fine. Under that view, Ares inflamed the Germans to war in this version of World War 1, but when he was lost the Germans lost the inflammation he was bringing. It was sloppy, but so much In these superhero movies ends up needing a sloppy answer to wrap it up within a reasonable time.

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Reply #82 on: June 26, 2017, 05:38:44 AM

This movie had great direction and a good script. But the story board sucked balls. This is a horrible jumping point for any future wonder woman movies.

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Reply #83 on: June 26, 2017, 07:49:52 AM

This movie had great direction and a good script. But the story board sucked balls. This is a horrible jumping point for any future wonder woman movies.

I'm pretty sure they made the movie thinking a sequel wasn't even a possibility, it seems very self contained.

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Reply #84 on: June 26, 2017, 08:08:47 AM

Yep, it was meant as a 'shut the fuck up,' one-off to appease the public complaining that only Bats and Supes got movies. It did far better than it was expected to. Oops.

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Reply #85 on: June 26, 2017, 10:10:59 AM

And WB screwed themselves by not signing Jenkins to a multi-film contract because of that.
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Reply #86 on: June 26, 2017, 10:21:59 AM

Which means if they go crawling to her with an "um... Sequel?" offer she will be much more bullish about control over the movie. Whether WB will stand for that is a good question.

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Reply #87 on: June 26, 2017, 10:25:05 AM

WB might as well point a shotgun directly into their collective faces if they don't sign Patty Jenkins up to direct at least one sequel. I mean, it's a fucking no-brainer after the success of the movie.

I expect they'll sign Michael Bay or McG to direct it any day now.

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Reply #88 on: June 26, 2017, 12:02:28 PM

What's Uwe Boll doing these days?  why so serious?

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Reply #89 on: June 26, 2017, 01:24:34 PM

I thought this movie was decent.  I'm very confused about something that happens toward the end and need someone to explain it to me.


Also what happened to the battleship after that beach scene?

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Reply #90 on: June 26, 2017, 07:39:04 PM

If not utter BS, I think this will result in BIG things in the future... you know, Later at the Hall of Justice.

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Reply #91 on: June 27, 2017, 03:12:06 AM

I question what would happen if you weren't here to post clickbait.  The answer may surprise you !

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Reply #92 on: June 27, 2017, 11:15:12 AM

Ahhh, I didn't mind the clickbait, as that's a pretty interesting Easter Egg (to me at least).

Here's hoping we get


in later movies.

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Reply #93 on: June 27, 2017, 01:41:52 PM

I question what would happen if you weren't here to post clickbait.  The answer may surprise you !
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Reply #94 on: June 27, 2017, 01:46:10 PM

Ha.

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Reply #95 on: June 27, 2017, 11:21:59 PM

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