Dark Souls 3: Prepare to Drei

[Yegolev]

It's OK.  My free time is something I'm working on.  Note that I've been "wasting" it trying to complete Demon's Souls.

[Gimfain]

Beat the game on ng+, although have some of the optional stuff left. Some of the bosses at the end had some added stuff although not enough to really make it hard. It was a fun run but now its time for something else.

[Falconeer]

From says poise works.

http://kotaku.com/from-software-says-dark-souls-3s-seemingly-useless-pois-1776079738

[Gimfain]

Always had the impression that poise worked properly when swinging big weapons like ultra greatswords, curved greatswords, big hammers and axes. For quicker weapons like regular swords and curved swords it has no effect.

Given how bosses and mobs in general favors an agile gameplay I mostly used quick weapons while I felt that big weapons only seemed useful for PvP gameplay.

[Falconeer]

Believable speculations on how the new Poise works.

(long)

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4j4f94/ds3_poise_researched_and_explained/

In short, it's similar to how it was in Demon's Souls as opposed to Dark Souls 1 and 2. It's a chance, modified by your poise value, the weapon you are using, the weapon the enemy is hitting you with.

[Gimfain]

Managed to get a friend to finally play dark souls 1. He almost stopped after going into graveyard from firelink shrine, even moving into catacombs until I told him, you know there are other ways to go. He was so sold on this idea that the game was super brutal that he expected you would die endlessly just to progress from the tutorial area. Now that he walked into undead burg instead he is totally hooked.

I installed dark souls 2 myself, played a bit, didn't like animations, found the areas looking bad and not really interesting to walk in so after 1.5 hours I uninstalled it. I guess there was a reason why I never played it after I finished it the first time.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Managed to get a friend to finally play dark souls 1. He almost stopped after going into graveyard from firelink shrine, even moving into catacombs until I told him, you know there are other ways to go. He was so sold on this idea that the game was super brutal that he expected you would die endlessly just to progress from the tutorial area. Now that he walked into undead burg instead he is totally hooked.

I installed dark souls 2 myself, played a bit, didn't like animations, found the areas looking bad and not really interesting to walk in so after 1.5 hours I uninstalled it. I guess there was a reason why I never played it after I finished it the first time.

I tried going into the crypts first too. After four hours and several "fuck this game" moments I went to the burg and wrecked the place.

[koro]

Believable speculations on how the new Poise works.

(long)

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4j4f94/ds3_poise_researched_and_explained/

In short, it's similar to how it was in Demon's Souls as opposed to Dark Souls 1 and 2. It's a chance, modified by your poise value, the weapon you are using, the weapon the enemy is hitting you with.

Yeah, believable aside from how it not only completely contradicts hours of footage and testing (while offering no actual proof of his own, while also being on a throwaway account), but is also counter to the style of deterministic gameplay that the Souls series has been built around.

It's almost certainly either a troll post or someone who is wrong, but genuinely believes he's right.

[Falconeer]

More believable speculations on Poise then.

https://www.vg247.com/2016/05/16/dark-souls-3-poise-2/

- When you roll, the animation takes a certain number of frames to complete. Some of these frames are “vFrames”, during which you are vulnerable to damage, and some are iFrames, during which you are invulnerable.
- Whenever you take damage, including during the vFrames of rolls, the number of iFrames available during subsequent rolls is reduced. Your available iFrames gradually recover over time if you don’t take damage.
- The higher your poise stat, the lower the number of iFrames you lose after taking damage.
- The higher your poise stat, the faster you will recover your lost iFrames.

[Gimfain]

More believable speculations on Poise then.

https://www.vg247.com/2016/05/16/dark-souls-3-poise-2/

- When you roll, the animation takes a certain number of frames to complete. Some of these frames are “vFrames”, during which you are vulnerable to damage, and some are iFrames, during which you are invulnerable.
- Whenever you take damage, including during the vFrames of rolls, the number of iFrames available during subsequent rolls is reduced. Your available iFrames gradually recover over time if you don’t take damage.
- The higher your poise stat, the lower the number of iFrames you lose after taking damage.
- The higher your poise stat, the faster you will recover your lost iFrames.

I do know that after failing a dodge it felt like consequent hits had a tendency to hit you as well. If getting hit removed invulnerability frames from dodging it certainly would explain a lot but it sounds like an awful game mechanic that better not be true.

[Yegolev]

Clearly I just need to ignore this and play the game or not.

I'd like to beat the first boss with my sorcerer but I suck.

[koro]

Sorcery is one of the things they kind of shit the bed on in this. You're basically a melee guy for a long time until your stats and gear get up there, especially your rings.

[Yegolev]

I kinda feel like any ranged is boned at the beginning.  Or I suck.  Might be both.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I think saying "I think I should be able to play the game from the beginning as class X" is kind of silly for a dark souls game.  Even when starting as ranged was viable it was never optimal, there were so many rpg's back in the day that didn't even let you pick a class until you were a few levels in so I just don't see this as much different.

[Yegolev]

Sure, that's fine.  I don't have an issue with that, insofar as there is a deprived class and that my knight isn't prevented from eventually learning spellcasting.  I do wish I could personally get my sorceror past the first boss, but it makes me tired and so I end up playing something else.

[Druzil]

Do you mean Gundyr or Vordt?  I'm not one to parry much but I found Gundyr is pretty easy to parry once you get his moves down.

[koro]

Also don't be afraid to summon people to help you. There's no shame in it, IMO.

Hell, I got tired of bashing my head against Champion Gundyr yesterday and summoned two players to help. They got toasted immediately, which left me alone against a boss who now has much higher health.

I managed to knuckle up and win, which made me feel even better in the end.

[Falconeer]

That's the thing: Dark Souls may be hard but you can make it easy in so many ways if you so wish. Summoning people is the most obvious way and barring surprises, when you summon it's usuall a guaranteed boss kill. Worst case scenario you rinse and repeat a couple of times. I never summon because I don't think these bosses are balanced for more than one person so they usually die so easily that I feel robbed of the fun, but as Koro says there's really no shame. Better to summon than to get stuck and put the game away.

[Yegolev]

Do you mean Gundyr or Vordt?  I'm not one to parry much but I found Gundyr is pretty easy to parry once you get his moves down.

I don't know.  That first dude that I inexplicably de-sword.  I guess I need to learn to parry or go play Bloodborne.

[Gimfain]

Do you mean Gundyr or Vordt?  I'm not one to parry much but I found Gundyr is pretty easy to parry once you get his moves down.

I don't know.  That first dude that I inexplicably de-sword.  I guess I need to learn to parry or go play Bloodborne.

[koro]

Do you mean Gundyr or Vordt?  I'm not one to parry much but I found Gundyr is pretty easy to parry once you get his moves down.

I don't know.  That first dude that I inexplicably de-sword.  I guess I need to learn to parry or go play Bloodborne.

Learning to parry never hurts, but for his first phase I got away with it as an absolute Dark Souls newb by just rolling a lot.

His second phase though, I had to just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that shit and go HAM until you finally win.

I hate Pus of Man (which is the goop that comes out of him), and I cheese the ever-loving fuck out of every one I see because I can never learn their attack patterns and they hit like trucks.

[Yegolev]

Sorceror shield is not awesome, so rolling it is.