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Cyrrex
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Reply #560 on: December 03, 2019, 01:28:43 AM

Just to put a lid on that conversation, almost nobody prefers a Vive Pro over an Index in the real world.  You can probably find people that do, but based on what I am seeing, that would be the rare exception.  The OLEDs have an advantage on black levels, but the Index has every other conceivable advantage.  So that also leaves the OG Vive in the dust.  The Index is the Ferrari of VR, and it currently sits there alone.

Yegolev, I think the first thing you need to do is state your BUDGET for just the VR hardware alone.  Second, describe the amount of SPACE you are willing to use for it.  And you say cables don't matter, but are you willing to have 2 little black tracking boxes hanging from the walls or in otherwise opposite positions with power cords or other cables running to them?

I could just say "get an Index, stupid", but if you don't have the budget and space, then that would be pointless.  And unless you are powering it with something at least equivalent to a desktop 1070, you will be a very sad panda indeed.  Display Port and USB 3.0 are basically are also required.




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Reply #561 on: December 03, 2019, 09:41:54 AM

Is there any chance I can get a laptop and VR for under $1700?

It would be nice to have something at least as good as the PS VR kit. So, you see my bar for quality is low.

I'd like it to use very little space. SOMEONE has filled my house with FURNITURE.
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Reply #562 on: December 03, 2019, 12:20:16 PM

Is there any chance I can get a laptop and VR for under $1700?
In theory yes but you may not be happy with the compromises made to achieve that goal. You are looking at about $1000 for a bare minimum laptop that can “do” VR, which is something with an NViDIA GTX 1060 / 1660 Ti / 2060. “Do” is in quotes since those laptop GPUs can’t do 4K/VR at a stable 90+ FPS without turning down a lot of graphics details.

That leaves ~$700 for the VR system which unfortunately excludes the Valve Index.
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Reply #563 on: December 03, 2019, 01:18:56 PM

Yeah, that is a pretty low bar.  Literally every PC based VR set is better than PSVR, and probably by a wide margin.

You cannot really get both for that kind of money, however.  I would probaby aim for getting the best laptop you can get, and then just get some shitty used Rift or Vive as a starter. 

And then you will eventually realize you want better resolution, and also that our laptop isn’t good enough.  Maybe you answered it already, but why why oh why a laptop?

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Reply #564 on: December 03, 2019, 01:53:31 PM

That’s what I don’t like about my original Vive, the pixelated view.  Have the newer units fixed this?
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Reply #565 on: December 03, 2019, 02:06:23 PM

At this point I only want a VR helmet for Euro/American Truck Simulator. And Elite Dangerous. Half Alux Life is the 3rd reason, but it requires more hardware than just the helmet so I don't know...

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Reply #566 on: December 03, 2019, 02:23:17 PM

That’s what I don’t like about my original Vive, the pixelated view.  Have the newer units fixed this?
Newer top end models (e.g. Index, Vive Pro, Odyssey+) have higher resolution (1400 x 1600 per eye) than the earlier generations (1080 x 1200 per eye) which reduces or eliminates the "screen door" effect.
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Reply #567 on: December 04, 2019, 08:36:30 AM

I think with the addition of PC support to the Oculus Quest (link) it's the best choice for casual VR.  You get a totally stand alone unit. Inside out tracking so no wall mounted devices or strict room requirements.  Then using link Link you get access to pretty much all PC VR titles and can leverage your PC if you have one.

You can take it wherever you go so it's easy to show off to friends and family, play in the living room or garage or wherever.  But then you can still take it home and plug in into your gaming PC and take advantage of that power as well.

If you're hardcore into flight sims, space sims, iRacing or something or have a dedicated VR room/cockpit in your house it's maybe not the best choice.  But you're probably not talking about budget at that point.

If you then decided you want to take it to the next level or that VR isn't for you, you can sell it on craigstlist/facebook for $300-350 and your only out $50-100.
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Reply #568 on: December 04, 2019, 09:20:46 AM

That is probably true.  Although, inside-out tracking is a negative IMO, but that is because I have the space and willingness to setup lighthouses.  For casual VR....sure.  But then, it almost costs as much as the Rift S, so I wonder what a true side by side comparison would pan out.

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Reply #569 on: December 04, 2019, 06:17:12 PM

At this point I only want a VR helmet for Euro/American Truck Simulator. And Elite Dangerous. Half Alux Life is the 3rd reason, but it requires more hardware than just the helmet so I don't know...

Then your choice is limited to Valve Index, HTC Vive and Oculus. Frontier has just stated (after people reported double vision and incorrect rendering on HMDs with non-parallel displays, e.g. Pimax) that it is ONLY going to support those three HMDs in Elite: Dangerous.

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Reply #570 on: December 05, 2019, 02:05:53 PM

Maybe you answered it already, but why why oh why a laptop?

I don't think you can do VR on a tablet.

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Reply #571 on: December 05, 2019, 02:09:37 PM


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Reply #572 on: December 06, 2019, 01:38:10 AM

 Head scratch

I mean, okay.  Don't get me wrong, there is a place for stuff like that and there is plenty of it out there (and probably better stuff, never even heard of that one).  But wouldn't you rather play this ?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/823500/BONEWORKS/

Anyway, the real point I am trying to get across is that - regardless of which of the main VR sets you go with - if you go out and drop a grand on one of those theoretical laptops Trippy mentioned that has a 1660 card and a handicapped i5 or i7 mobile processor.....it might not be long before you are kicking yourself and regretting that choice.  Maybe if you spent 2 grand on it.  And even then you can never upgrade it.

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Reply #573 on: December 06, 2019, 09:03:32 AM

I figure by the time the family hits walls with the shared gaming laptop that we will be in a position to have another discussion on an upgrade; it's not like we haven't had this happen with desktop models. Performing upgrades on a floor chassis is also a huge pain, even moreso due to the time/effort involved. We don't have any spare time or energy for such things. A laptop is something we can use until the wheels fall off and then we can just buy a new one. This is why on the last cycle I bought everyone a Mac, and that paid off pretty well for the Support Team.

First priority is gaming laptop. We can't lug a desktop on trips, and we don't really play much at home except PS4/Switch style games. VR helmet is a nice add-on. The laptop will be used in any case but we can't (or don't want to) use the VR alone (since we already have a PSVR).

Maybe I will get the Oculus. I still don't feel smarter and I think that's the dumb option.

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Reply #574 on: December 06, 2019, 11:09:41 AM

I don't think this is too GPU intensive and it's a great game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1079800/Pistol_Whip/

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Reply #575 on: December 06, 2019, 01:53:14 PM

I figure by the time the family hits walls with the shared gaming laptop that we will be in a position to have another discussion on an upgrade; it's not like we haven't had this happen with desktop models. Performing upgrades on a floor chassis is also a huge pain, even moreso due to the time/effort involved. We don't have any spare time or energy for such things. A laptop is something we can use until the wheels fall off and then we can just buy a new one. This is why on the last cycle I bought everyone a Mac, and that paid off pretty well for the Support Team.

First priority is gaming laptop. We can't lug a desktop on trips, and we don't really play much at home except PS4/Switch style games. VR helmet is a nice add-on. The laptop will be used in any case but we can't (or don't want to) use the VR alone (since we already have a PSVR).

Maybe I will get the Oculus. I still don't feel smarter and I think that's the dumb option.

Given this, I still think the best thing for you to do is to make the specs of the laptop the priority.  And then either get some used VR or save up a little longer for a Quest or something.  The “risk” here is that you will like VR enough that you will want to upgrade to a Rift S or an Index....in which case you will have to start over.  You have no upgrade path on either the PC or the VR.  Not something I would do myself, but you know yourself and your own needs.
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Reply #576 on: December 10, 2019, 10:32:18 AM

I'll take that advice. Get a solid gaming laptop and pick a easy VR. I figure I've already suffered enough in this situation to account for $2000 but I have a different value set than my wife does. It's not as if we aren't able to pay for something top-end but we don't like to spend inefficiently.

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Reply #577 on: December 10, 2019, 12:15:12 PM

As long as you have a ton of use for the PC even without the VR, it is hard to argue it as a waste of money even if you find you have fucked up the VR part and underpowered things.

All that said, we’re going to want to see some specs.  Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #578 on: December 10, 2019, 12:19:00 PM

No problem. There is a list of games that the life obstacles have been deprived of since I decreed they get Macs. Will report back.

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