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Reply #35 on: December 12, 2015, 08:18:34 AM

One thing I like about visiting New Zealand for business: no tipping!

They just charge a reasonable amount for the food/beer and pay their employees a decent (for retail) wage. Sure saves a lot of hassle.

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Reply #36 on: December 12, 2015, 08:54:55 AM

Also known as literally almost every place in the world outside of North America.   awesome, for real

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Reply #37 on: December 12, 2015, 08:57:04 AM

I'm like Schild with my bands, though I'm more often on the 20% side than not. I rarely hit 25% and only once have done more because, damn, that was a super waitress and I was a big inebriated.

I was thinking about the tipping culture thing when I was in Vegas. As I was signing over yet another "wow, that's a lot for an hours work" tip I realized that's why some sectors fight it so damn hard. If they were put on a living wage they'd make significantly less money, even at fine dining establishments.


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Reply #38 on: December 12, 2015, 09:08:58 AM

Pretty much 20% rounded to the nearest dollar, unless the bill is cheap. Easy Street Records has a cafe with $7 breakfasts; I would feel like shit leaving $1.40 for someone that's stopped by five times to fill my coffee during the 30min I was there. In those cases, I usually leave $5 or $10 because their staff is gruff and no-nonsense, but they work hard and get food to customers fast. 
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Reply #39 on: December 12, 2015, 09:19:27 AM

For all this discussion, restaurants are the easy case. What do you tip your hairdresser? What about the person who washes your hair at the hairdresser? What about taxi drivers? Or the person who cleans your hotel room? I don't mind the idea of tipping as much as not having a clue how much to tip.
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Reply #40 on: December 12, 2015, 09:26:34 AM

Yeah, don't get me wrong, it would all be a lot simpler if they could just factor a good tip into how much they were charging me for all this stuff in the first place and then make sure the people get paid well.
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Reply #41 on: December 12, 2015, 10:37:08 AM

I generally don't go to places that cost more than $20 for a meal, so I'll usually tip $2 if the service was decent.
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Reply #42 on: December 12, 2015, 10:42:52 AM

For all this discussion, restaurants are the easy case. What do you tip your hairdresser? What about the person who washes your hair at the hairdresser? What about taxi drivers? Or the person who cleans your hotel room? I don't mind the idea of tipping as much as not having a clue how much to tip.
I usually tip 4-5$ for a hair cut. Taxi Drivers are 3-5$, but that depends on the length of the trip. Hotel staff is tough, they're all usually unionized in large cities, granted that still probably means 9-11$ an hour or maybe a bit more (I fortunately don't travel much).
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Reply #43 on: December 12, 2015, 10:53:40 AM

That is about right.  Unless i destroy a hotel room i will rarely tip.
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Reply #44 on: December 12, 2015, 11:32:42 AM

If for no other reason, I tend to tip a bit on the heavy side because the person receiving the tip likely needs the money more than I do. I like to think of it as a microlevel type of economic stimulus.

Especially if it's a place I am repeatedly frequenting, I almost invariably tend to get good service and plenty of attention, whether it's a no-hassle order modification, or my barber being willing to still honor my haircut appointment if arrive 15 minutes late and I'm going to delay the person with the next appointment.

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Reply #45 on: December 12, 2015, 11:36:08 AM

Just wondering what everyone else's thoughts were on tipping.

I usually tip around 20%, and have always been of the school that there is no reason not to tip. Yet, today I did not tip waitstaff for the first time in my life.

My fault entirely as in I should've known better, the site was hosting two 20ish groups and some smaller groups (seriously they had 5 or more separate stacks of table cards, holiday lunches/parties). They left the food under a heat lamp for 10-15 minutes or more before it got to me. took a bite, paid the bill and walked out.

I always overtip, but then I'm in the industry.

Tipping in other professions I've got mixed feelings about. For good or bad food service tipping is institutionalized in the USA, with wages and tax structures set accordingly (making your wait staff sort of a group of half assed independent contractors, at least in their own heads). They need that tip to make a living wage. But your hair stylist? The hotel cleaning staff? I'll follow custom here, while disagreeing with the expectation.

I did tip the car towing guy who took extra special care getting my vehicle up on the truck though. First time I've ever done that, but he really did a good job.

On the other hand I draw the line at the tip jar set up on the counter of my local liquor store. What the hell is up with that? Is that a thing now???

@Brellium I understand why you did it the way you did, but honestly a better customer response (again, coming from someone in the industry) would have been to take a bite, send the food back, refuse the bill but still drop a couple bucks on the table for the server. That way the proper problem would have been penalized.

But then the way you handled it wasn't that bad, since I guarantee you the manager got such an earful from the wait that he'll try a bit harder next time to make sure he's properly staffed (and I say that in full knowledge that sometimes it's just not possible -- but that still shouldn't be the customer's problem).
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Reply #46 on: December 12, 2015, 11:44:35 AM

For all this discussion, restaurants are the easy case. What do you tip your hairdresser? What about the person who washes your hair at the hairdresser? What about taxi drivers? Or the person who cleans your hotel room? I don't mind the idea of tipping as much as not having a clue how much to tip.

Hair: 25%. She's using Square for payments so I just pick the highest tip bracket she set.
Taxi: 10% personal, 20% if part of my business per diem.
Hotel: I only have the room cleaned after I leave, even if it's for a week. I'm fairly clean and I don't like people rooting through my shit. I do not tip at all. And I'll carry my bags; I never pack more than I can carry out anyways.
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Reply #47 on: December 12, 2015, 12:50:34 PM

In Australia I only tip meals at proper restaurants, and that tends to be 10% down to maybe even 6-7% if its a very expensive meal.

Some people don't tip at all, and that's not uncommon but is unusual, especially in Sydney.

Here everyone typically gets paid properly in the places you tip, though.
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Reply #48 on: December 12, 2015, 01:30:28 PM

What the hell is up with that? Is that a thing now???

Everyone who runs a register at a service has started setting-up tip jars. It's been a thing for at least 6 or 7 years now and started because of Baristas and the like expecting tips for their 'awesome' coffee froth art. Yes, it's ridiculous and I refuse to partake.

Traditional tips are: Wait staff, bellmen, taxi drivers IF they handle your bags, and cleaning staff IF they do more than a cursory tuck and fold on the bed.

The staff at the Venetian, for example will fold your bed clothes, reorganize your toiletries on the sink and generally tidy everything up other than papers and your computer. That earns a tip from me.

Other than that, you can be kind and tip your garbage collector, and the post carrier at the winter holidays but it's not required. I don't do that as I don't talk to them but my parents knew ours by name and tipped them because of it. I never see 'em and I never have more than a can or two on the curb, so nope.

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Reply #49 on: December 12, 2015, 01:31:44 PM

Here everyone typically gets paid properly in the places you tip, though.

Which is why the bartender chicks in Sydney remembered me and gave me good service when I went back the next day, I was tipping like I did in Chicago.  DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS

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Reply #50 on: December 12, 2015, 02:00:39 PM

Bars: Tip well, even extravagantly, on your first order, if you plan on being there all night. Make sure they see you stick the money in the jar. You'll get served faster in a crush, they have a heavy hand on the booze, and they'll sometimes upgrade to the top shelf.

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Reply #51 on: December 12, 2015, 02:03:53 PM

Yeah, I should add that despite all my hatred of tipping, the practice has been burned into me with all the power of American Moral guilt.  I tip way higher outside the U.S. Because most places I go are so much cheaper/poorer.  In Poland, people will tip 10% for amazing service at a nice place, and nothing other than that.  Poland is so god damn cheep though that 10% at a nice restaurant is like, a buck.  So I'll tip 30% sometimes because I feel guilty about leaving a tip so low in American dollars.  I've tipped 50% before because it was $3.  Seems almost to scare the waiters.  Polish people I'm with look like they want to punch me for throwing that amount of money away.  I tipped the equivalent of $3 to a delivery boy who brought a shit ton of food to my apartment one night, and he had a look on his face like I just offered to let him fuck my supermodel wife (note, I don't actually have one).

I pretty much just throw wads of colorfull bills at restaurant/bar staff in Southeast Asia.

With the Russian Ruble now hitting above 70 to 1 usd (last year, it was 30 to 35 to usd range), I'm starting to do the same here.  But Russians are kind of assholes, so it's helping curb that habbit.

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Reply #52 on: December 12, 2015, 02:10:34 PM

You're likely being rude to those you are with, not the people you are tipping. ;)
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Reply #53 on: December 12, 2015, 02:25:21 PM

We were splitting checks, so they can say nothing!

Now China, while out with a group of Chinese friends for the first time in Shanghai, I grabbed the bill and asked if they tipped in this country.  I actually got slapped.


Edit: though more often than not In group situations I threw the tip on the table after the waitress had come and everything was paid.  Still got looks and snide comments.  American moral guilt hooo!
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Reply #54 on: December 12, 2015, 02:51:30 PM

I'm an asshole.


Well, at least you know it.

He's not wrong though.  The whole concept of tipping is fucking stupid and the fact that society tries to guilt you into paying extra out of the graciousness of your heart so that businesses don't have to pay their wait staff is unexcusable.
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Reply #55 on: December 12, 2015, 03:00:51 PM

We were splitting checks, so they can say nothing!

Now China, while out with a group of Chinese friends for the first time in Shanghai, I grabbed the bill and asked if they tipped in this country.  I actually got slapped.


Edit: though more often than not In group situations I threw the tip on the table after the waitress had come and everything was paid.  Still got looks and snide comments.  American moral guilt hooo!
Splitting checks in Eastern Europe/Russia is like digging through a couch and splitting the change you find. Why even bother?
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Reply #56 on: December 12, 2015, 09:12:40 PM

We were splitting checks, so they can say nothing!

Now China, while out with a group of Chinese friends for the first time in Shanghai, I grabbed the bill and asked if they tipped in this country.  I actually got slapped.


Edit: though more often than not In group situations I threw the tip on the table after the waitress had come and everything was paid.  Still got looks and snide comments.  American moral guilt hooo!

Yeah, still seems like you might be being insensitive to those you are with.
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Reply #57 on: December 13, 2015, 04:18:45 AM

Splitting checks in Eastern Europe/Russia is like digging through a couch and splitting the change you find. Why even bother?
Well, in the situations where we split checks, it's always been in groups where there are a large amount of Americans with the locals.  And since the vast majority of Americans seem to abhore splitting the bill evenly (I don't mind), check splitting happens.  If it's with primarily foreign friends, then yeah, no check splitting.  It's so damn cheap it's way beyond the hassle.

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Reply #58 on: December 13, 2015, 06:36:08 AM

I don't mind tipping but I also agree that them giving you the stink eye for not tipping on takeout at pizza places or the like is stupid.

Yes, I'll tip if I do curbside or something, but not if I'm doing carryout from Dominos or something.

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Reply #59 on: December 13, 2015, 06:40:38 AM

How much are you supposed to tip for curbside, anyway? The only place around here that does it is Applebys and the few times I've done it I've just been confused. 10% seems fair, since they aren't doing nearly the work a server would do (unless it's raining or something) but if they're being paid the equivalent of a server and only doing curbside then I feel bad.

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Reply #60 on: December 13, 2015, 08:12:39 AM

We were splitting checks, so they can say nothing!

Now China, while out with a group of Chinese friends for the first time in Shanghai, I grabbed the bill and asked if they tipped in this country.  I actually got slapped.


Edit: though more often than not In group situations I threw the tip on the table after the waitress had come and everything was paid.  Still got looks and snide comments.  American moral guilt hooo!

Yeah, still seems like you might be being insensitive to those you are with.

Him grabbing the bill and deciding to tip does no harm to the people who didn't have to pay the bill.

And asking about tipping was fine. I was in Toronto last summer with a buddy, neither of us had data access on the phones there, so I had to ask the server if tipping is normal there - she was kind of awkward about it, but the answer was yes. I probably still overtipped, but my loss was her gain.

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Reply #61 on: December 13, 2015, 09:15:55 AM

I was in Toronto last summer with a buddy, neither of us had data access on the phones there, so I had to ask the server if tipping is normal there - she was kind of awkward about it, but the answer was yes. I probably still overtipped, but my loss was her gain.
Standard in Canada is 15%. But they are trying to convince us that 20% should be the thing. Which is going in the wrong direction. Just pay people a fair salary and have done with it.
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Reply #62 on: December 13, 2015, 12:44:35 PM

Tipping is Socialism.

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Reply #63 on: December 13, 2015, 01:51:28 PM

We were splitting checks, so they can say nothing!

Now China, while out with a group of Chinese friends for the first time in Shanghai, I grabbed the bill and asked if they tipped in this country.  I actually got slapped.


Edit: though more often than not In group situations I threw the tip on the table after the waitress had come and everything was paid.  Still got looks and snide comments.  American moral guilt hooo!

Yeah, still seems like you might be being insensitive to those you are with.

Him grabbing the bill and deciding to tip does no harm to the people who didn't have to pay the bill.

And asking about tipping was fine. I was in Toronto last summer with a buddy, neither of us had data access on the phones there, so I had to ask the server if tipping is normal there - she was kind of awkward about it, but the answer was yes. I probably still overtipped, but my loss was her gain.

No harm, but for some people it can be rude and presumptuous to pay, or to demonstrate a flippancy about what to them might not be as insignificant an amount of money.

Not saying it always is. But you have to be careful.
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Reply #64 on: December 13, 2015, 04:16:32 PM

When I pick up to go orders from a diner or a restaurant ill tip 10% if they person goes to the trouble of giving me utensils, sauces and makes sure all that food is there in front of me. Usually that equates to an extra 3 bucks or so.

Pizza delivery is 4 or 5 bucks no matter what unless it was super late.

Hair cuts are like 5 or 6 bucks. 7 if they hair dresser was hot.

Taxi is usually 4 to 7 depending on speed and assistance with bags if I'm travelling.

Restaurants are ways 20% and either an extraordinary bad or good experience gets me to deviate from that.

Bars are always a buck a drink if I'm doing cash or a few drinks on a tab. If it's a long night and a big tab 20 to 30 depending on pour speed and free drinks. Withvtwo small children I haven't been out to drink in years.

I always tip my postal service lady. She takes care of my shit im not home. Even if UPS drops something off she'll get it somewhere safe for me.

People who don't tip for reasons (assuming you're American) are shitheads. I understand everyone else's confusion in other countries.
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Reply #65 on: December 14, 2015, 07:41:38 AM

I'm an asshole.

I only tip if I get great service (in which case I usually tip 20-25%). Only exception is food delivery, which will always get a tip dependant on how much my food cost, as I hate dealing with the 'let me get you your change' bit, so I just let them keep the change. Probably averages 20%, I think. I get very quick delivery these days, so I wager I tip more than most around my neighbourhood.

But with restaurants, etc.? If I don't get good to great service, I don't leave a tip at all. It isn't my job to pay you a fair wage and I refuse to reward mere competence or shitty service. Now, I don't actually know if here (Alberta, Canada) they actually require tips to make a liveable wage, and I don't really care. It doesn't matter much, however, as I rarely eat out (and when I do, I'm usually not the one paying). I've never understood the tipping culture, or giving money to people like your mail carriers. I don't get it. Why should I pay you for doing your job properly?

And yes, I've worked a job where tipping was part of my income. Still don't get it.

Assuming you are eating somewhere that serves alcohol they're making $10.70 an hour (which is better than the $9 an hour they make in BC). So assuming they actually get 40 hours a week in shifts, without tipping those servers are bringing in a massive $22k per year. A quick check says the average yearly wages in Alberta are around $59k.

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Reply #66 on: December 14, 2015, 10:16:17 AM

I just tip 20% minus the decimals. Makes the math easy.

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Reply #67 on: December 14, 2015, 11:57:06 AM

I don't like tipping in hotels. I'll fully admit that. I already feel like I'm getting really fucked by the hotel pricing, so I'm less inclined to be generous to the staff unless the service is great.

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Reply #68 on: December 14, 2015, 12:22:11 PM

I just tip 20% minus the decimals. Makes the math easy.

Pretty much the same. I'm not hurting for money.  A few bucks doesn't matter to me, but it might matter to them.

Hotel tipping is hard.  I don't carry cash normally.
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Reply #69 on: December 14, 2015, 01:23:12 PM

Pizza tipping: When it arrives, I open the box.  If the toppings are right and the cheese is still melty, I tip 20%.  If the cheese is congealed or the toppings don't match what it shows on the receipt (the delivery guy should check to make sure he has the right box), then I tip a buck or two.

Take out: I do not tip on take out unless they do something special for me.

Bars: I tip $1 a drink unless they put me to the front of the line, then I tip a lot.  I'd rather pay a fwe extra bucks than stand around waiting for my drinks forever and I go to few enough places that the bartenders pick up on it.

Hotels: I only tip if I stay multiple days and get some extra good service. 

I almost always tip cash rather than adding it to the credit card.

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