Bitch Thread for Warlords of Draenor

[Ironwood]

It's all Alts, all the time.  They still haven't pulled that bullshit together in any cohesive way, so fuck them..


I'm still mailing fucking Gold back and forth like a cunt.  Fuck that.

[Lantyssa]

GW2 making gold and other currencies be account-wide was an incredibly welcome change.

[Ironwood]

There is SOooooo much altitis still in this fucking game it's not real.

See that Heirloom change ?  Well overdue.  Now Do Other Stuff Like That, you bastards.

As an example, you will eventually win the Pet Hat (Safari Hat) that gives your character bonus XP when pet battling.  How does it handle an account wide thing like that ?  It Mails a copy of the hat to all the characters you ever log in as.

For Fucks Sake.

[Merusk]

It still gives CE and other pets to you via mail when you create a new alt.  I suspect a lot of this is back end stuff that's just never going to be gotten to because 1) It works, so why change it 2) lol game company project management 3) would cost money and not make any.

I've gotten over my need to keep characters up to date.  Now they hit 100 and I do enough to get them to be able to build the L3 inn for treasure missions, build a salvage and a dwarven bunker and boom, I'm done. I don't even run LFR on 3 of my 4 100s because fuck it, gear will reset the next expansion. If the current main gets 'nerfed' into oblivion I've still got the others to pick-up and move on to.

I enjoy that the garrison isn't account-wide because I can farm gold passively, but at the same time fuuuuuck it bothers me that those 3 are just sitting there doing nothing as will the next 3-4 once I get them up via heirlooms.

Speaking of Heirlooms. Damn are those are expensive. I should farm the upgrades for freebies but that's painful, too. On the other hand, My Heirloomed Level 86 mage hit Level 90 in 3 dungeons and 91 1/4 before even getting her garrison set-up. Joy, leveling alts takes zero time now, but damn if you're going to do anything with them.

[Draegan]

My heirloom lock at level 76 takes 3 or 4 dungeons. Level ranges are weird. Only xp item I don't have are the Rings.

[Xanthippe]

I had something like 40 heirlooms - would never have guessed I had that many.

I love the heirloom mount that is usable at level 1.

I just started pet battles. That stone that levels a pet to 25 instantly is pretty sweet. Getting one on all 100s with level 3 garrisons is also nice. For a pokemon type system, it's actually pretty nice.

I play two characters, one alliance and one horde, and it takes a lot of time, but I don't do everything every day for each. I have so much unfinished crap due to my WoW ADD that I rarely finish anything in terms of achievements and so on.

[luckton]

This belongs here: http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/22/8645293/world-of-warcraft-no-flying-tanaan-jungle-warlords-of-draenor-mmo-pc-blizzard

While it makes itself to be a promo regarding the upcoming patch, the underlining tone-deafness of a holier-than-thou developer team bleeds through in what I will now tl;dr for you:

- The team will not be adding flying to Draenor.
- Moving forward, new expansions are also unlikely to have flying outside of specific zones or expansion ideas.
- The team will continue to improve flight paths.
- Being able to fly added convenience, but removed the ability to add things like targeted exploration of the world and made the world feel smaller and less dangerous.

So have at it, haters. For myself, I could care less. I hear great things about FFXIV and it's upcoming flying-packed expansion, but these days flying's just not a make-it-or-break-it thing anymore.

[Merusk]

I wonder how many subs they just ended.

While I agree from a design standpoint, you can't re-bottle that genie without a lot of tears. Hell, even Lum is whinging about it on Facebook.

[Hutch]

This belongs here: http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/22/8645293/world-of-warcraft-no-flying-tanaan-jungle-warlords-of-draenor-mmo-pc-blizzard

While it makes itself to be a promo regarding the upcoming patch, the underlining tone-deafness of a holier-than-thou developer team bleeds through in what I will now tl;dr for you:

- The team will not be adding flying to Draenor.
- Moving forward, new expansions are also unlikely to have flying outside of specific zones or expansion ideas.
- The team will continue to improve flight paths.
- Being able to fly added convenience, but removed the ability to add things like targeted exploration of the world and made the world feel smaller and less dangerous.

So have at it, haters. For myself, I could care less. I hear great things about FFXIV and it's upcoming flying-packed expansion, but these days flying's just not a make-it-or-break-it thing anymore.

Flying isn't a make or break feature in any game, until you give it to players, let them enjoy it for 8 years, sell them flying mounts for real money, and then take flying away for the most arbitrary of reasons.

[Lakov_Sanite]

It's funny. I know I'm on record here saying flying is dumb in an mmo like wow and not having it means very little....however....

The more I think on how much stuff you do out in the world once you're max level(when you would normally unlock flight) there is almost nothing to do.  Barring the legendary quest there aren't really any outdoor dailies and apexis stuff doesnt count because no one gives a shit about apexis crystals with LFR so damn easy.  There's just no need NOT to have flying mounts because the amount of max level outdoor content is non existant.  Maybe if the world was expansive after cap with tons of things to do in it I could still see barring flight but now....? well it's pointless either way.

[Zetor]

Not to mention that for the handful of situations where flying could prove useful (like doing the garrison storyline quests), I can just use Aviana's Feather to fly past / bypass content anyway.

[Ironwood]

I think the most important point here are the schlubs who paid for flying mounts.

That's a poor show.

[luckton]

I think the most important point here are the schlubs who paid for flying mounts.

That's a poor show.

This if anything is the thing I'll agree with. Clearly their marketing department is not in tune with the developer gods, and it's gonna burn quite a bit.

[Tannhauser]

Really poor decision.  Flight makes harvesting ore and archaeology bearable. 

[jakonovski]

Just goes to show the creative bankruptcy Blizzard is suffering from. They used to have all sorts of neat things like flying battleships and sky castles because of flying. They could've enabled flying and put in a whole new level of content in the Z dimension. But no, let's do a random jungle zone instead.

[apocrypha]

Have had zero interest in playing WoD because of no flying. Now pretty much guaranteed I won't be returning for any future expansions either.

Bye bye WoW, forever.

[Xanthippe]

Have had zero interest in playing WoD because of no flying. Now pretty much guaranteed I won't be returning for any future expansions either.

Bye bye WoW, forever.

We'll see. I say this every so often.

Flying, per se, won't prevent me from buying future expansions, but on the other hand, I can't even seem to work up the enthusiasm to stay subscribed for Jungle.

[Draegan]

People whine about the strangest things.

[Mac]

Reading this I'm glad I didn't grind the more grindier flying mounts back in the day. What a weird thing to change after all this time.

Not that I was still playing.

[Fordel]

Flying mounts, pfft.

Just be a Druid!

[apocrypha]

People whine about the strangest things.

Feeling differently from you isn't whining. Nobody was complaining, simply stating how we felt about the issue.

Flying in games is something I really enjoy doing. I have had, for 30 years, recurring and extremely vivid flying dreams. In them I fly like a sparrow, swooping over streets and fields, looping and rolling and seeing the world spin around me. Flying in games evokes a hint of those dream memories. The feeling of getting your first flying mount in a WoW expansion, or of making your first jetpack in modded Minecraft, and soaring freely above the terrain which you've been traversing for what feels like forever is superb, I love it.

Let me do that for years in WoW then take it away? Yeah, they've lost my interest. I'm not campaigning for them to change that decision, I'm not going on official forums and bitching about it and calling developers names, I'm not bemoaning the decision. I'll just go play other things.

[Draegan]

Well that proves that things can still surprise you.

[Rendakor]

No flying forever means no resub forever. Not that I'd have to spend real money with the gold-for-subs thing, but still.

[Malakili]

- Being able to fly added convenience, but removed the ability to add things like targeted exploration of the world and made the world feel smaller and less dangerous.

If this is really one of their justifications, I am shocked.  That ship sailed in WoW years ago. 

[Ironwood]

Also, surely the solution is flight combat.

;)

[ezrast]

Oculus: The Expansion

[luckton]

Oculus: The Expansion

[Rasix]

Opposite Day already?

[luckton]

I for one enjoyed Oculus. Don't know why so many others didn't.

[Ironwood]

Because it sucked just about as much marrow as SWG.

[Malakili]

The problem was that I liked playing a druid and to all those vehicle encounters I was no longer playing a druid.  Pretty simple.

[Lantyssa]

And I enjoyed SWG. 

[Hawkbit]

The problem was that I liked playing a druid and to all those vehicle encounters I was no longer playing a druid.  Pretty simple.

Exactly. It was primary on a long list of reasons I left the game. I wanted to play my character, not learn the controls for yet another vehicle.

[Xanthippe]

The problem was that I liked playing a druid and to all those vehicle encounters I was no longer playing a druid.  Pretty simple.

This reminds me of when Wrath was first out. My hunter had a hell of a time on one of those vehicle quests where you are flying on the back of a critter and have to melee the mobs who are also flying on the backs of critters (and then jump to another critter). When hunters had a dead zone, and carried pole arms as well as bows/guns. Ugh that was horrible until they fixed it.

[Ginaz]

I don't really have any intention of going back but the no flying stance just seals the deal.