Defiance. The TV show, not the game...

[Ghambit]

LMGw/effect+BMG

Is it me or is the 400 damage SAW a little on the overpowered side?

Especially when you've got a 130round clip, accuracy, and ammo that regenerates when your secondary weapon is active.   

[01101010]

LMGw/effect+BMG

Is it me or is the 400 damage SAW a little on the overpowered side?

Especially when you've got a 130round clip, accuracy, and ammo that regenerates when your secondary weapon is active.   

So we are talking about the game now? This thread is confusing me... *see title.

[veredus]

Best weapon by far I think.

[Ghambit]

Tonight's episode was so far the best.  Not too much serial creep aside from character development (tonite was Irathient - and now I like em a lot), so this is good.  A bit more episodic.
I'm disappointed it's a cop show (definitely feeling the Alien Nation vibe here), but like Alien Nation it's pretty well written and explores a lot of philosophies from different angles.  I expect Irissa to be bangin the black deputy in season 2.   

That said, someone needs to stick a muzzle on the mouth of the mayor.  Seriously, she's cheesetastic.

[Riggswolfe]

I quite enjoyed the Irathient character development. I'm glad Rafe (probably) didn't have anything to do with what happened to that family. I find Irisa is continuing to be my favorite character and I enjoy Nolan far more when he is around her. I also found myself a bit surprised they're already injecting some tension into that relationship.

[Fordel]

The not a lightsaber sword was cool. I liked that.

[Ghambit]

I quite enjoyed the Irathient character development. I'm glad Rafe (probably) didn't have anything to do with what happened to that family. I find Irisa is continuing to be my favorite character and I enjoy Nolan far more when he is around her. I also found myself a bit surprised they're already injecting some tension into that relationship.

The "Calamari" scene was extremely original too.  Gotta give credit for that one.  But, once again, Defiance wants to be on Starz.

[Tannhauser]

I quite enjoyed the Irathient character development. I'm glad Rafe (probably) didn't have anything to do with what happened to that family. I find Irisa is continuing to be my favorite character and I enjoy Nolan far more when he is around her. I also found myself a bit surprised they're already injecting some tension into that relationship.

I agree with this and would also add that I'm disappointed it's a cop show, but the cases might be interesting.  Also, why does Irisa get a badge?  Is Nolan that comfortable with his daughter suddenly becoming the town deputy? 

Good to see Moktok (whatever, the white dude) kick some ass.  Gives him more gravity and his wife went  .

[Riggswolfe]

I quite enjoyed the Irathient character development. I'm glad Rafe (probably) didn't have anything to do with what happened to that family. I find Irisa is continuing to be my favorite character and I enjoy Nolan far more when he is around her. I also found myself a bit surprised they're already injecting some tension into that relationship.

The "Calamari" scene was extremely original too.  Gotta give credit for that one.  But, once again, Defiance wants to be on Starz.

[Numtini]

I really enjoyed that one, it was the kind of followup I was looking for after the pilot and didn't get with the first episode.

[Wasted]

I don't know that I like the mysticism shit.  There is plenty going on as it is, with alien races we still know pretty much nothing about and they go adding magic in now too?

[Hawkbit]

Apparently renewed for a second season, which is really smart for the IP.  I actually enjoyed the last episode, though in a "there's not better to watch" kind of way.

I chatted with a local Gamestop guy today and he said the game has sold extremely well for them and only recently have they actually had copies to sell. 

[Tannhauser]

Well if it just has to be a cop show, they could do worse than the last episode. We saw some political machinations as well as backstory for the mayor.  Cutting down the characters really helped streamline the show and I liked the sci-fi plot
It's the first episode where I wasn't drumming my fingers.  Even the main hero grew on me a bit. 

[Numtini]

They had a big initial investment so I'm not surprised it was renewed. I really enjoy the series though, in a casual game sort of way.

[Evildrider]

I've been enjoying this show.  It's not on par with Eureka or Warehouse 13, but with the lack of sci-fi shows in general it's a good way to waste time.

[Ghambit]

Last night's epi. was the best so far in a dramatic sense.  Not much sci-fi crunch in there but definitely a good story.

[Numtini]

I'm enjoying it a lot, but someone on the writing team has a huge B5 thing going on.

[Ghambit]

It's essentially B5+Alien Nation.  Exactly.  Oh, tonite's epi?  Another good one.  I was actually surprised.  Huge twists.

[kaid]

Yup and they seem willing to wack seemingly important characters that had been built up so far this season. I have to say this show is getting stronger and stronger as it goes I hope they can keep it up.

[DevilsAdvocate25]

[Tannhauser]

I was a bit disinterested (oooh a murder investigation!) until they killed that character off.  Nice.  This show continues to improve.

[MediumHigh]

Yeah I mistake of not watching this show for a few weeks and now that I came back? This better be renewed for another season.

[Hayduke]

I like much of the show, but I wish they'd drop all the fucked up forehead people and albinos down the mine shaft.  Also the love parallelogram.

[Nevermore]

I like the background of the show and some of the characters, but I don't really like the plots that much.  Romeo and Juliet can diaf, especially Romeo.  And take the hooker with the heart of gold with them, I'm so sick of that stereotype.

[Ghambit]

Yeah I mistake of not watching this show for a few weeks and now that I came back? This better be renewed for another season.

It was renewed for a 2nd season about a month ago I believe.

[MediumHigh]

The one thing I don't entirely thrilled about in defiance is how human all the aliens are. Only the cat people are genuinely "different" and not just a product of upbringing and culture. I mean I guess it works in the show really well, but its always been my pet peeve in sci-fi.

[Bunk]

They may be a bit "human" but that's on purpose. You can't really read expression from big rubber prosthetics.

What I like is that they seem to be stretching more than other shows have in showing the cultural differences in different aliens. 

[Ghambit]

The one thing I don't entirely thrilled about in defiance is how human all the aliens are. Only the cat people are genuinely "different" and not just a product of upbringing and culture. I mean I guess it works in the show really well, but its always been my pet peeve in sci-fi.

Indogenes only "look" human-ish, when they want to.  There's an energy race we haven't seen yet.  The Volge??  Might as well be Covenant.  Sensoth?  Giant chewbakka lookin things that kicks ass.  I mean, what the hell more do you want from a show based around a single shit-eating town in the middle of a desert on Earth?

To be real though, DS9 had similar issues when it first came out.  Same old vanilla Trek humanoid races stuck on a space station, but that changed later on.

The problem is they're not concentrating much on the cool aspects of the show; they still defer to latent human drama.  I'd rather see dirtfights with Biomen, Liberata black market trade negotiation, and Sensoth who are oddly intelligent.  And how convenient they can't fly due to some mysterious radiation.   

[Numtini]

An alien race also has to be sympathetic to some extent in order to be a main character because the audience has to connect with them in some way. A really alien race would be like the Horta on Trek TOS.

Plus there's the built in excuse that they've been on earth for 20 years and presumably also represented the more adaptable ones or they wouldn't have left or been chosen to leave their home planets.

[Tannhauser]

They may be a bit "human" but that's on purpose. You can't really read expression from big rubber prosthetics.

What I like is that they seem to be stretching more than other shows have in showing the cultural differences in different aliens. 

I'm with you.  I think they are trying to build a mythos and I really appreciate all of these alien practices and beliefs they show.

[Mrbloodworth]

Keep in mind, its been 15 years that they have been stranded on earth.

[kaid]

I can give them a pass for assimilating a lot of human culture because you have what for all intents and purposes was a refugee fleet who had their worlds die mashed together in one giant fleet which already broke down a lot of their cultural ties now you put them on an alien world mixing with a large population with a more or less cohesive if damaged cultural identity of the humans. Not to surprising a lot of the aliens start assimilating with humans culture since they pretty much live in the ruins of it.

[01101010]

I can give them a pass for assimilating a lot of human culture because you have what for all intents and purposes was a refugee fleet who had their worlds die mashed together in one giant fleet which already broke down a lot of their cultural ties now you put them on an alien world mixing with a large population with a more or less cohesive if damaged cultural identity of the humans. Not to surprising a lot of the aliens start assimilating with humans culture since they pretty much live in the ruins of it.

Something about the shamanistic ways of the Irathients rubs me wrong though... they seem way too close in parallel to Native American culture after being on space craft and traveling the stars. Just seems a bit silly. I can deal with it, but just doesn't seem right.

[Nevermore]

Keep in mind that most (if not all) of them were in stasis or hibernation of some kind during the trip through space.

[kaid]

It also appears that the races involved had a pretty broad range of tech capability prior to their exodus. From the sounds of it the irathients were not super high tech before they fled almost all of their tech was from the castithans and the indogens. The volge were also a high tech race but they do not appear to be friendly with anybody which must have made then buckets of fun in the refugee fleet.