Star Trek: Into Darkness

[Ratman_tf]

BTW I had a hankering for some movie Trek, and rewatched STIII and WOK over the past couple of days.

Still good. I'd put them against most modern movies, and they blast past nuTrek at warp speed.

Wait - you liked three?

#3 on my list.
It's got it's problems, like bumping off David and blowing up the Enterprise were a weak way to balance out the ressurection of Spock. And bringing Spock back was kinda pussy. If you're gonna kill off a character, then leave them dead. Dont' half ass it and bring them back to life.

But we also got some iconic ST stuff, like the Bird of Prey, the Excelsior, the cool spacedock station. And one of my very favorite Trek moments.

So yeah. I liked it.

[Tannhauser]

So you like 1 and 3, do you also like pet rocks and New Coke?   

[Ironwood]

3 was ok.

[eldaec]

The only real issue I had with 3 was the 'enterprise only needs 5 crew members to fly' concept, which seemed cheap and really opened up the series to 'Kirk is a superhero so can do anything'. Actions lacked consequences from this point on (with the exception of 6, which gets a pass).

Christopher Lloyd was in it, which prevents it being properly terrible. Much like 12, competently acted and directed but no one thought to invest in a decent script.

[Ironwood]

Bear in mind that in pretty much all editions of Trek, the computer was good enough to fly ships.

I've never really understood why they had crew in the first place, except for the short dresses.

[Surlyboi]

Bear in mind that in pretty much all editions of Trek, the computer was good enough to fly ships.

I've never really understood why they had crew in the first place, except for the short dresses.

You just answered your own question.

[Ironwood]

Well, that's what I'm here for.

[Merusk]

Watching that Plinkett review and then the "Kirk steals the Enterprise" scene from III gave me a sudden clarity Clarence moment.

Kirk was just another rogue Starfleet Admiral. 

Starfleet REALLLY needs to look at their promotions policies.

[Lantyssa]

One rebel promotes another and the cycle continues.  Kirk had to kill his own grand-mentor.

[HaemishM]

My guess for the next Trek movie is Klingons, because everybody's heard of Klingons. I fancy they'll do something like rip off Undiscovered Country, except Chang will be named Worf, because more people have heard of Worf than Chang, and he'll want revenge against the Federation and have a really big evil starship.

Stop being an idiot.

Your reaction is odd.  I'm finding the prediction compelling.

If they DON'T do something with the Klingon war in the next one, they will have missed a huge opportunity. We've already seen that the Klingon homeworld has been devestated by the moon exploding so a direct remake of 6 isn't going to happen. I really hope they do a Klingon war but go their own way with it. Maybe the Enterprise prevents the war and Worf's daddy becomes the first Klingon to serve on a starfleet vessel.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The klingon thing is about right, the whole worf part is what was idiotic and what I was commenting on, just more trek butthurt which this thread is permeated with.

[Samwise]

Before this movie came out, none of us thought they'd use Khan as a villain in one of these, because it would be too blatant of a ripoff.  We knew the movie was going to have some sort of Wrath of Khan ripoff element but we were trying to guess which more minor character from the original continuity would be used as the main villain to put at least a little twist on it.

No pandering references they drop at this point are going to surprise anyone.

Re: the Plinkett references recap, for bonus fun, go back to the Star Trek '09 review he did and watch the tongue-in-cheek section on "here are the Trek references they didn't manage to recycle in this movie, so keep an eye out for them in the next one".  I think every single one of them was used in Into Darkness. 

Wait, except for "Kirk fights Spock with the things.  DAH DAH DAAAH DAH DAH DUN DUN!"  So we have something to look forward to.   

[Lakov_Sanite]

I get why people here don't like it, I liked it and even I thought spocks khan yell was way over the top.  What I don't get is the massive disconnect between the crowd here and everyone else in the world. It's got something like a 90% fresh rating with fans and mid 80's with critics and that's better than iron man 3. 

Now I know, mcdonalds and walmart are also wildly popular yadda yadda yadda but there's just such a huge gap on this site and with everyone I've talked to about the movie and every review I've seen that it makes me scratch my head.

It's campy and some of the head nods to the older stuff is a bit much but for fuck's sake, they aren't exactly bending Roddenberry's corpse over and raping it either.........that was generations. 

[Merusk]

Why the disconnect?  My theory is Old geeks don't use social media in the same way and they're the ones bitching.  How many here actually rate movies on RT?  How many proudly and often excalim "I don't have a Facebook/ G+/ Twitter!"

[Lantyssa]

I get why people here don't like it, I liked it and even I thought spocks khan yell was way over the top.  What I don't get is the massive disconnect between the crowd here and everyone else in the world. It's got something like a 90% fresh rating with fans and mid 80's with critics and that's better than iron man 3.

I'm reminded of this morning's xkcd comic regarding hipsters.

[Samwise]

What I don't get is the massive disconnect between the crowd here and everyone else in the world.

Not to sound elitist, but I'm going to say something elitist here.  I'd say the crowd here at f13 is way smarter and at least a little nerdier than the average person you're drawing your samples from.

I'm not saying we're right and everyone else is wrong, but on a number of issues you're going to find the folks on this site skewing very differently from the population at large.

[Ratman_tf]

I get why people here don't like it, I liked it and even I thought spocks khan yell was way over the top.  What I don't get is the massive disconnect between the crowd here and everyone else in the world. It's got something like a 90% fresh rating with fans and mid 80's with critics and that's better than iron man 3.  

Now I know, mcdonalds and walmart are also wildly popular yadda yadda yadda but there's just such a huge gap on this site and with everyone I've talked to about the movie and every review I've seen that it makes me scratch my head.

It's campy and some of the head nods to the older stuff is a bit much but for fuck's sake, they aren't exactly bending Roddenberry's corpse over and raping it either.........that was generations.  

Either I'm old and think everything new is crap (not true, I like a lot of current movies, but not this one) or these nuTrek movies are all super stupid crap that skate by on special effects and shallow drama.

My tinfoil hat theory is that nuTrek got a major boost by the onion article about Trekkies hating fun "And if you hate this movie, you're a neckbeard lolz don't be a neckbeard sleep watch the movie sleep..." And I also suspect that that was a bit of marketing ploy on the part of Abrams and Paramount.  A lot of people make up their minds if they're going to like a movie before they even see it. And movie makers know that.

So... fuck if I know for sure. I'm bewildered that this shit, and the Transformers franchise make such big money. I guess the teen crowd has a lot of dollars to burn.

Shit. when the 09 flim came out, everyone was praising it. I watched it on BR when it came out, and kept wondering if I'd bought the Bizzaro world version of the movie somehow. I couldn't figure out what anyone saw in the damn thing.

[Ironwood]

The klingon thing is about right, the whole worf part is what was idiotic and what I was commenting on, just more trek butthurt which this thread is permeated with.

Um, they did that in Six.  It was totally Worf in the courtroom.  You got that, right ??

[eldaec]

Reviews I've seen of this have either been 'its bad' or 'it is decent on a director, cast, and fx level, but writing is bad' or have been written by mouth breathers I don't care about.

[Ruvaldt]

Um, they did that in Six.  It was totally Worf in the courtroom.  You got that, right ??

It was Michael Dorn playing Worf's grandfather, who was named Colonel Worf, in Undiscovered Country.  Sure, it was shoehorned in, but continuity-wise it made sense.

[Ironwood]

Thanks for the redundant post.

What about Worf's relative being called Worf in the reboot wouldn't also make the same type of 'sense' ?

 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Thanks for the redundant post.

What about Worf's relative being called Worf in the reboot wouldn't also make the same type of 'sense' ?

 

Clearly, I didn't remember that(I think I only saw six once when it came out) yeah I can see them doing that, dumb as it would be.

Also as to transformers I kinda see how they made so much money since it was a movie aimed at kids and those things tend to get seen over and over and over. Nutrek is a popcorn flick but deifnitely not a kids movie.

[naum]

So... fuck if I know for sure. I'm bewildered that this shit, and the Transformers franchise make such big money. I guess the teen crowd has a lot of dollars to burn.

You're asking this in a world where Fast & Furious 6 starting Vin Diesel is the #1 movie for weeks… 

[Khaldun]

You know, if there's anything worse than geekery, it's anti-geek geekery. "Oh, people just don't love what I love because they're being the wrong kind of geeks." It's totally cool to say, "I liked it, that's all." Not cool to say, "Oh, you're just being geeky or you would like it like I like it."

[Ratman_tf]

Thanks for the redundant post.

What about Worf's relative being called Worf in the reboot wouldn't also make the same type of 'sense' ?

 

Clearly, I didn't remember that(I think I only saw six once when it came out) yeah I can see them doing that, dumb as it would be.

Also as to transformers I kinda see how they made so much money since it was a movie aimed at kids and those things tend to get seen over and over and over. Nutrek is a popcorn flick but deifnitely not a kids movie.

Neither are kid's movies. They're aimed at the tweens, teens and early 20 somethings. That's why both franchises have the gratuitous panty shots and frantic action, and plots that play out like they were written by a strung out hobo.

[Rendakor]

Tweens and teens count as kids, to me.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Dude, argue all you want but Bayformers is aimed DIRECTLY at young kids, this is just a fact.  Whatever bits of TnA are completely secondary to Merchandising robot plastic toys to young kids.

edit: Tweens/teens don't buy shitloads of chinese manufactured plastic, your argument is invalid.

[Rendakor]

I was actually agreeing with you.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I got the two comments confused, apologies.

[Ratman_tf]

And Star Trek never had merchandising. 

[Ingmar]

And Star Trek never had merchandising. 

Ah yes, I remember all those massive numbers of tie-in Star Trek toys flooding the market in the 80s when the movies were coming out.

Oh wait, no I don't.

[Merusk]

Star Trek:TMP had toys, I know because my grandmother got confused and bought me some when I asked for Star Wars figures.  The whole series wasn't popular/ kid oriented enough to generate a lot of sales or demand.

[Lakov_Sanite]

 

[croaker69]

Even the ToS had an extensive toy line in the early 70s.

[Teleku]

Star Trek toys existed, but where rare as hell compared to every other action figure type toy that they went up against.  The toys always felt like pure after thought they put no marketing effort into.