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Ingmar
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This thread has AVATAR being used as an example of good character development.  No it doesn't. Remedial thread reading for you, please stay after class. |
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Can we discuss why giant submersible tanks would have been way more effective?
Seriously Hollywood or even some anime studio, make a fucking BOLO movie already.
Ok, yes on a BOLO movie. But no on the submersible tanks in this movie. Missiles for the air, torpedos for the hole. Schild's cement dome if you need to add some time. I appreciate people who aren't annoyed by the plot. But 5here's no reason this movie couldn't have had a coherent rationale for the mechs. Really. It's like they pursposely avoided bothering, just so they could say "it's just anime"!! |
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But 5here's no reason this movie couldn't have had a coherent rationale for the mechs. Other than mechs are a terrible delivery vehicle for weaponry in general and are militarily useful only because they look cool? |
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What haemy said, giant robots aren't viable. Same tech on 3 really big tanks would have done the same thing a lot faster. In fact you could have done the korean style of 3 man teams. 1 tank distracts, a second tank deals utility damage, and a third tank charges the finisher.
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One man couldn't take down a whole terrorist cell either. More realism in movies!  |
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Can we discuss why giant submersible tanks would have been way more effective?
The Kaiju were faster and more manuverable in the water. Your submersible tanks would have gotten thrashed. |
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From that vid: Cherno Alpha is a Zaku! Coyote Tango is a Guncannon!  e: Looks like WB/Variety's attempted screw-job failed - http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=pacificrim.htm$200,000,000 box office take outside of the US (and it only opens in Japan tomorrow) |
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« Last Edit: August 08, 2013, 12:22:52 PM by Simond »
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Japan will have a field day with this movie.
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Japan will have a field day with this movie.
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What? I'll concede the AI, but we could have built one half a century ago. They're certainly more viable than an anthropomorphic robot with joints that are impossible to protect.
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One of my only "wtf" moments after I had some time to think about it (and watch that particular scene like 12 times at work while doing theatre checks) was pondering the question:
Why the fuck would you design a gigantic weapon of mass destruction so that it could potentially shut down in the middle of combat because some intern tripped over the power cord.........
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Lakov_Sanite
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Are you talking about when they were testing it inside the lab? Cause I'm pretty sure you would definitely want several emergency shutdown measures like that in a testing environment. Other than that I don't recall any power cords.
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One of my only "wtf" moments after I had some time to think about it (and watch that particular scene like 12 times at work while doing theatre checks) was pondering the question:
Why the fuck would you design a gigantic weapon of mass destruction so that it could potentially shut down in the middle of combat because some intern tripped over the power cord.........
Well I didn't see any giant cables snaking back to the base during the actual fight scenes so I think it's safe to assume that's the equivalent of a docking station and the robots aren't plugged in when they leave. Or are you talking about the EMP weapon monster, that would be more difficult to defend against. There were a lot more wtf momements if you actually wanted to bring reality into it. Like how a few helicpoters can lift these things and fly them around. |
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Are you talking about when they were testing it inside the lab? Cause I'm pretty sure you would definitely want several emergency shutdown measures like that in a testing environment. Other than that I don't recall any power cords.
Well, I dont know that I would call that "testing". It was the scene where he does his first drift with Mako, and shit goes bad. I mean, sure, they were doing a drift dry-run, but I cant realistically see them slaving the machine to the base operations console in such a way that "pulling the plug" like they did would shut it down the way it did. Will have to try to catch the scene again, but when the gun was charging up, it sure looked like Gypsy Danger was pretty much free standing in the docking bay and not plugged in anywhere. Just seemed to me like the way it was set up, having someone pull the plug on that console during a field op would result in the thing shutting down the same way. |
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If you're being critical, the very idea of drifting for the first time with a new partner in a mech with live weapons is clownshoes. Completely ignoring the mental stability issues Idris was concerned about in the first place.
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Yeah they would have a training area where you drift for the first time, you wouldn't just stick someone in a fully powered killer robot and see what happens. At the very least they would do it before they attach the freaking head.
I can't believe I'm being sucked into a reality problems discussion about a robot versus monster movie.
I imagine it's already been discussed and that we're beyond the point of needing spoilers but since it involves the ending:
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One of my only "wtf" moments after I had some time to think about it (and watch that particular scene like 12 times at work while doing theatre checks) was pondering the question:
Why the fuck would you design a gigantic weapon of mass destruction so that it could potentially shut down in the middle of combat because some intern tripped over the power cord.........  If you're being critical, the very idea of drifting for the first time with a new partner in a mech with live weapons is clownshoes. Completely ignoring the mental stability issues Idris was concerned about in the first place. Yeah they would have a training area where you drift for the first time, you wouldn't just stick someone in a fully powered killer robot and see what happens. And once again: (Also: Mazinger Z, Gundam, Ideon, and so on). |
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Took the eldest boy to see this yesterday. Giant robots punching the shit out of giant monsters, and it was awesome. By far the coolest giant monster/robot movie I have ever seen, and a generally really fun and exciting film from start to finish. The neckbearding in this thread though, oh my god. You couldn't string 20 seconds of plausible stuff together from this entire movie, so it blows my mind how you people can try to deconstruct it anyway.
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This thread has AVATAR being used as an example of good character development. No it doesn't. Remedial thread reading for you, please stay after class. I brought Avatar into the discussion, and it was in the context of, 'I was disappointed in PR because I'd been told the character development was about on par with Avatar and it was far worse...' Character development grades for Avatar: C- Character development grades for PR: F+ |
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Lakov_Sanite
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lol monster movie?
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lol monster movie?
Monster movies always have extensive character development, don't they? |
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lol monster movie?
Monster movies always have extensive character development, don't they? They need to have decently believable and sympathetic characters. Compare Alien and Prometheus. |
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Lakov_Sanite
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lol monster movie?
Monster movies always have extensive character development, don't they? They need to have decently believable and sympathetic characters. Compare Alien and Prometheus. I don't think PR had any problem with sympathetic or believable, YMMV. |
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Cocky Australian isn't development...it's stereotyping.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Meh, third string character at best. Honestly can anyone name the characters in aliens beyond ripley,newt and the dude that say "game over man"? Aliens has a lot of rose colored glasses with it when it comes to anything beyond "shooting aliens with guns"
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Meh, third string character at best. Honestly can anyone name the characters in aliens beyond ripley,newt and the dude that say "game over man"? Aliens has a lot of rose colored glasses with it when it comes to anything beyond "shooting aliens with guns"
You mean Hicks, Bishop, Vasquez, Gorman and uh...Paul Riser? It's an action film, so there's a limit on how much character development there is, but given that and how many characters there are you get a pretty good feel for a lot of them. The black drill sergeant guy isn't much beyond a stereotype - he's just the sort of cigar chomping commander you'd see a million similar films. But he's one of the only guys that comes off that way. The bulk of Aliens also takes place over a few hours. |
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Cocky Australian isn't development...it's stereotyping.
Also he had an English (London) accent and a British bulldog for a pet. And he was called Chuck, a North American name that generally isn't used in Australia or the UK. Only his dad even attempted a vaguely Australian accent (via South Africa.. and New York). It was weird and assumed ignorance. As an Aussie (via Scotland), I put up with it because it was a global effort to defeat the kaiju and who's to say they haven't spent time in those places. But the dog for that type of character would be a blue heeler or (for a real jerk) a pitbull, not a slobbery English one. |
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Lakov_Sanite
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Unless the son wasn't Australian at all, they never said he was.
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I saw this a few weeks ago with some semi-nerdy friends, and the general consensus was "it's a good thing she's pretty". The one line that continues to bug me though, is when one of the techs is explaining the mech and says "She's all steel, no alloys!"  Oh also, what is the fucking purpose of having it smash its fist into its other hand? Can you imagine what kind of fucking damage that would do to the thing? I'm stopping now, because if I get into the drift or the pilot controls I'm gonna lose it |
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If the jaegers can't vary the strength they touch, move or hit things with, they would make even less sense than they do now. A jaeger that couldn't smack its own palm without blowing its hand off would be a jaeger that wasn't responsive at all to variable inputs in the first place. Do you cripple your own hand when you smack your fist into your palm?
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I'm stopping now, because if I get into the drift or the pilot controls I'm gonna lose it
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The one line that continues to bug me though, is when one of the techs is explaining the mech and says "She's all steel, no alloys!" The line was "solid iron hull, no alloys," which is every bit as stupid since pure iron would be completely useless. |
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The one line that continues to bug me though, is when one of the techs is explaining the mech and says "She's all steel, no alloys!" The line was "solid iron hull, no alloys," which is every bit as stupid since pure iron would be completely useless. If you want to pick apart the engineering, this guy has already been there. --Dave |
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The one line that continues to bug me though, is when one of the techs is explaining the mech and says "She's all steel, no alloys!" The line was "solid iron hull, no alloys," which is every bit as stupid since pure iron would be completely useless. If you want to pick apart the engineering, this guy has already been there. --Dave Going by that list there has not been nearly as much bitching here as I would expect. |
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