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Reply #35 on: October 26, 2012, 09:45:39 AM

I'm not sure what I can elaborate on. While you can still technically macro, what people mostly used them for was to pile up abilities into a single button.

Thanks. It sounds like macros will still be viable, but that you'll need to use a few more total. Not quite the evisceration I was hoping for as someone that thinks macro gameplay isn't much fun.
While I recognize they had a problem with the "one-button" gameplay, and a secondary problem with Marco management being a required part of the game... I read this and think that they have only made things worse. 
Ya unless they can figure out a way to delete about 3/4 of the available skills it seems like a bad move to me. Probably financed by Logitech or Razer to sell more 17 button mice :)
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Reply #36 on: October 26, 2012, 09:59:34 AM


If you look at a soul by itself, most of them look to play with 6-7 buttons, but once you add in two companion souls with abilities that can be used, the button total can easily double, all to be managed with out much in the way of queues from the game. And that's where the firestorms come from. There's a very vocal minority supporting this change.

Devs could introduce auto-cockstabbing to game and a small vocal minority would support it. Look at Rokal. He doesnt like macros so he doesn't want anyone to be able to use them.
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Reply #37 on: October 26, 2012, 01:20:55 PM

Devs could introduce auto-cockstabbing to game and a small vocal minority would support it. Look at Rokal. He doesnt like macros so he doesn't want anyone to be able to use them.

I don't mind macros, but I think there is a big difference between Macros in most games and macros in Rift. Macros are great when they provide convenience or let you customize how you interact with the game. They aren't great when they play the game for you. I expect that for a lot of players in Rift, they would jump on the forums to copy a talent build and then copy the attached macros into the game. They didn't really need to learn what any of their abilities did because the macros would cast them in the most efficient order and they didn't need to understand what was in the talent trees to follow a template. That doesn't make for very interesting gameplay, or allow you to appreciate different classes and souls much.

Rift does have a serious problem with ability bloat, but I think it's not as bad as people make it out to be. The truth is that each soul gets 4-5 very similar 'basic' abilities that allow them to work, but you could remove these abilities from you bar unless it was the tree you were investing all your points in. Some of the more hybrid-y specs did get a little unwieldy, but most builds do not realistically need to hit more than 5 abilities regularly and some cooldowns. That seems manageable. SWTOR by comparison is much, much worse.

I don't like how macros work in Rift so I didn't really use anything outside of a few shift-cast macros to save space. It was unfortunate that a player with a 1-button macro might perform a little bit better than me, but it didn't impact me much as someone that only casually plays. If they decide to limit macros more, I think it will make for a better game but they will need to address some of the bloat. I do think macros are a box they can't un-open, however.
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Reply #38 on: October 26, 2012, 03:09:14 PM

All they'd have to do to make me happy is disable macros in the battlegrounds.  Pushing 1 button to PWN pisses me off.

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Reply #39 on: October 26, 2012, 03:35:25 PM

If they remove all cooldowns then the only macros that will still work are the conditional ones which are probably the ones you really hate. :)
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Reply #40 on: October 26, 2012, 04:07:40 PM

Right now I just hate macro warriors with raid weapons.  When the raid weapons get removed from pvp, then half of the problem is fixed.

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Reply #41 on: October 26, 2012, 07:17:04 PM

Right now I just hate macro warriors with raid weapons.  When the raid weapons get removed from pvp, then half of the problem is fixed.

They did that a while ago. Now it's pve with pvp weapons until you get a pve weapon. They are generally better itemized for pvp, with vengence (pvp AP/SP) and valor and less of the item budget spent on hit. They've been good with bringing out an equivalent pvp set when a new pve set is released for the past two raids. As a matter of fact, for Storm Legion, the first three pvp sets referenced earlier are ready and waiting on the vendors. I have yet to see the pve stuff.
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Reply #42 on: October 27, 2012, 06:42:01 AM

The complete derp that are these new soul reveals is just stunning. First, for some unknown reason they have done the last two, rogue and cleric, on live shards. The cleric one was only slightly less trolled due to the fact that it was not a pre-order beta weekend. But about 10 minutes in, players started showing up. So, we had the dev character sheeped and shambled frequently. At least this time he figured it out early on instead of running around like a derp. Oh, the live producer with the wino bag, classy touch. At least they didn't get trolled from their office this time.

So, the new cleric soul is a DPS/Heal support soul with some interesting damage transference mechanics where you link yourself to a target and x% of the damage comes to the cleric. They can then use shared heals and damage to heal themselves and their linked target back up. But, because the "numbers" are not set, two and a half weeks before the thing goes live, they turn off the scrolling combat text so the viewers can't see much of anything. Mind you, this new soul has really, really subtle spell effects. So, most of what we saw was a little dwarf running around throwing down some target dummy - actually a kind of cool thing like the Stoneclaw Totem from wow that is automagically linked to the cleric and all cleric aggro is transferred to the thing - the mobs running at the totem and then some cast bars going. I appreciated the not so subtle passive aggressive from both the moderator lady and the actual class developer because she passed along the question about why the text was off and the class dev kept saying he wanted it on. Wino guy passed along the numbers are in flux bit as an answer.

I appreciate that they are trying with these things, but they need to plan out what they are going to do better here. They have been wildly varied in quality as well. The warrior one was the best from a players point of view as they gave out tons of information and numbers.
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Reply #43 on: November 06, 2012, 01:54:36 AM

For an expansion that's out in a week and is no longer under NDA, I haven't seen too much info on basic gameplay. There's a fair bit of info about the 4 new souls as well as the player housing (dimensions) on the storm legion site... but not much else. Is there an LFR tool now? How much time does it take to level from 50-60? How is questing (sort of a weak point in the original game IMO): is there still a guardian-defiant split, and how many quests are there for such a huge landmass (or are they depending on IAs instead)? Do all of the new dungeons have master modes? Is the scaling system going to keep old content relevant, or just a novelty at level cap? Are cross-server zones 'in' or planned to be 'in'? (I seem to remember some experimenting with it when IAs were first introduced)

Of course I wasn't looking too hard either, but hey - if they want me to buy the expansion instead of getting more MOP sub time / resubbing to SWTOR / spending $ in the GW2 shop, they'd best entice me first! As it is, I'll probably wait a week or two after release and gather feedback.

edit: for example, I read in a throwaway comment to a Massively post that mob tagging is gone, so it basically works like GW2 - as long as you hit the mob or heal someone who's hitting it, you'll get xp/kill credit/loot too! This is absolutely HUGE, and I have no idea why they haven't expanded on it (or the cooperative nature of IAs etc. for that matter)
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Reply #44 on: November 06, 2012, 10:35:30 AM

Yeah, the tagging thing is one of the nicest features. You don't get actual dropped loot, but you do get coin and there's no group XP cut. For that matter, you even get a group bonus if there are enough people involved.

There's still technically the two faction split, but it only matters for flagged, open world pvp. There's a Dalaran for this expansion and as you are out and about you can group up with the other faction for quests, etc.

No word on and LFR tool either way. There are no master modes at the moment. They will most likely show up at the next raid tier.

I got to a whopping 52 in the beta, so I'm not sure how long the whole trip takes, but it didn't feel any longer than any other level. I did notice that coming out of the first zone after completing it and about 1/4 of the other first zone I was about 51.5. Things take a serious jump in power in the second zone, but I think that it was mostly lvl related rather than straight power. The second zone has lvl 53 mobs and I was 51.5 at the time. Completely ID geared, I was having trouble if I pulled 3 mobs at a time and I did get wtf'd once when I jumped an invasion pack. That was unexpected.

I think questing is better. It's sort of a cross between the on the rails thing from WotLK combined with the kill a mass of mobs from BC. The way quests work now is that each hub is part of the zone story quest. There are generally one or two story quests at each hub. The quest sends you out to an area and most of the mobs have this new little icon, this icon means they are the target of a "Carnage" quest. They are the new kill x quests. You automgaically accept the carnage when you kill the first mob of a type. There's usually two or three of those on the way to a quest or at the quest area. The carnage quests auto complete when you are done so you don't need to head back to turn them in. There are also quest starting things, ie pick up x bear asses, once you get to most of the story quest locations. It's all the standard stuff, but its presented in a slightly more dynamic method which punches some entertaining buttons.

Completing the carnage quests nets you the new currency just like zone events. You can take the currency to the new city to buy gear. The gear can then be upgraded at least once at lvl 54. It may be able to be upgraded again, but I didn't check. You buy the first level of the gear then you just buy tokens to upgrade the gear. All of the pve gear I saw works this way that I saw.

There are now gated rifts, the Hunt rifts. They have tiers to them which need to be unlocked. The first tier is available at 50. There are something like 18 in each tier. The next tiers open up at 60 and there are 5 or 6 total tiers.

IAs have been their own path for a while now. These are mostly kill x and y quests or collect x bear asses, but there are some others like defend the wardstone or kill big bad. Up until the expansion, they had worked fairly well. With the giant zones in the expansion though, I have been less excited by them. It's mostly a problem of travel time or a general how am I supposed to get where you want me to go. "Old world" IAs have a fairly aggressive porting system after a great deal of push from the players. The IA developer is fairly active in making these fun, so I imagine they will work much better in a fairly short period of time.

Mentoring is mostly a level cap thing. You mentor down to do something different while still getting XP and relevant currency.
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Reply #45 on: November 06, 2012, 12:30:01 PM

The most exciting feature in the expansion is the sliver player housing. It's enough to get me to buy the expansion, though I'm not sold on content outside of that. I logged in for the world event leading up to the expansion which was pretty underwhelming, but when aren't they?
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Reply #46 on: November 08, 2012, 08:21:46 AM

If you want to see what things are like, they are letting past subscribers play for free until the expansion.

Found out that the City Siege IAs can be done by anyone. While the mobs are all skull lvls at 50, they can be hit by anyone. Kind of neat. Not sure if their outgoing damage scales though, you might get one shot, alot.
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Reply #47 on: November 12, 2012, 12:05:46 PM

Thinking about picking this up, although I haven't played it seriously in a while (and never made it to max level) so I don't even know what IA stands for. I always loved the soul system though, and I'm a sucker for player housing.

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Reply #48 on: November 12, 2012, 12:28:40 PM

I'm still not sure what to think (thanks for all the answers btw, dd0029!). Rift is basically the best WOW that's not WOW, and yet despite all of the great improvements it has made, it still feels sort of bland (from the quest/lore to scenery to animations to spell effects to sound effects). Hopefully the new dungeons/zones are better.

IAs are instant adventures - basically it generates kill/collect/escort/gather/etc type quests for you, and groups you with other people doing IAs in the same zone. After you finish an IA, you'll get another close by, and after doing a few of them, there's usually a miniboss or event-like thing (such as 'protect wardstone') that ends the IA chain and starts a new one somewhere else in the zone (and offering to teleport everyone there). It's a really awesome system, sort of like doing dynamic events in GW2 24/7.
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Reply #49 on: November 12, 2012, 02:23:09 PM

The story is actually kind of interesting through the whole game. Unfortunately, this isn't 6 years ago when the story can be told and be engaging through quest text. The story here is definitely in the EQ vein in that it's there if you hunt for it. I just recently completed the water quest line, the one they added with the second raid. It was a fairly standard thing, but there were some interesting quests and Rift lore tied in, however, it was all in the little tiny quest pane. Something like Warhammer's Tome thing might be handy for this game.

I'll give you on the scenery, it looks good, but it's bland for the most part. From what I've seen in the expansion, things are just way bigger.  One of the things they went on about in one of the non class live streams I watched was the idea of vistas. I did find myself occasionally stopping as I was touring the new zones and just admiring the way the elements tied together. Not all that often, but it did happen. I guess size does matter, because things do look a little better.
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Reply #50 on: November 14, 2012, 01:14:09 PM

So, anyone jump on this? If so, got any impressions to share? I'm still sitting on the fence, but I admit the potential of this expansion is pretty promising.

(Well, except for all the stuff I hear about an Oculus-esque vehicle dungeon...  why so serious?)

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Reply #51 on: November 14, 2012, 01:33:30 PM

I spent about an hour "playing" last night.

First I tried the pre-made template for the new Cleric soul (Defiler). They've got a pretty nice system where it will automatically place abilities on your hotbar, if you want, in a manner that someone might actually want to use. After reading all the abilities and playing the rest of what was left on my bar, I opened up the talent tree and noticed that the game had picked talents I wouldn't have. They'd picked mostly healing talents where I wanted dps talents to level with. I reset the tree, starting over again, and then said fuck it and went back to the spec I had been using about 5 minutes later. Rift has essentially added 4 new classes with the expansion but asking you to jump into them at 50 is rough.

After that I checked out Dimensions (player housing) which was great. They give you a really good set of tools and it's clear people will be able to make some pretty cool stuff using them. My one complaint about it is that prices for extra dimension keys for different areas seem high, but it could have just been the ones I was looking at. It's also possible that platinum will be much easier to come by at 60.

Tonight I think I'm going to make a melee build for my cleric and head out to the new leveling content. Looking forward to it.
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Reply #52 on: November 14, 2012, 08:08:17 PM

It's relatively interesting. I need to revise my comment about leveling speed. It's taken a nose dive compared to pre 50. The questing is still moderately interesting with the story quests breadcrumbing to new carnage quests and other random pickup quests.

I will say that things take a fairly severe jump up in mob power once you get past the first zone. I'm not sure that was a wise choice. I was fully end raid geared going into the expansion and once I got out of the first zone, I had to modify my play style fairly significantly, from big huge multi mob pulls to single, maybe duo pulls. These mobs are fairly serious HP bags. Unfortunately, they are just that. Its just standard play style. With the long fight duration, 20-30 seconds, things tend to get a bit dull.

The new hunt rifts are kind of neat, but tough with just pickup peoples. The two boss stages have a mechanic where they gain a massive shield if there are other rift mobs up around. This mechanic is not terribly clear.

For cleric leveling, check the Rift forum for something people are calling "Just Seer". That's what all the clerics in my guild are swearing by and picking up spam quantities of server firsts.

I have not done the new dungeons beyond the one that showed up with the preorder, but I am hearing that they are really not pug friendly. Lots of not terribly obvious mechanics.
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Reply #53 on: November 14, 2012, 11:55:05 PM

Interesting, thanks for the info. Out of curiosity, are those levelling builds optimized for people with raid gear from 50, or would they work for us plebs too? (I'm asking this because this was a problem when I played earlier this year - all of the guides seemed to assume I was at least HK-geared with synergy crystals and all that jazz. I also read somewhere that ID gear would last until level 56-57ish)

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Reply #54 on: November 15, 2012, 08:59:27 AM

I'm leveling up a cleric right now (lvl 23) and the game has an amazing amount of good in it.  My only suggestion would be to get the Gadgets addon.  It's incredible, better than any WOW unitframe addon I've seen.  The expansion itself is pretty amazing in itself.  With all there is you can do, and the different types of content, the only thing it's missing is a LFR similar to WOW.

The Just Seer spec and the Duracell spec in the guide section of the forums both work extremely well.

I'm also leveling just with IAs too so I'm always leveling with other people.
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Reply #55 on: November 15, 2012, 01:00:25 PM

The just seer works fine with non top raid geared players, you just won't want to go buck wild with it. Find your limits. I've replaced ID relic weapons at 54, with blues from the PvP box, and am starting to see very compelling green left side gear from quests. A good tip I got today was to use a spare sigil/source thing to slot in new lesser essences.

IAs are definitely the way to go sub 50. Just remember to buy the planar gear for each level bracket. Doing some pvp is not a bad idea either. You will be in full blues and purples the whole way. Remember to buy/upgrade your sigil/source thingee. I see tons of people at 50 with the starter two slot thing. Why people leave those stats on the table is beyond me.
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Reply #56 on: November 18, 2012, 02:02:26 AM

Some initial thoughts on the expansion now that I've gotten past deciding on a spec. For the record, I went with inquis/defiler/justicar (51/16/0) and it's been working fine so far, so the quest content doesn't seem to require excellent gear or min-maxed specs.

They weren't exaggerating about the size of the continents they added, they're massive. As far as I know each of the two continents comprises a different 50-60 leveling experience. I started in Cape Jule since it seemed a bit more colorful, but I took a peek at Pelladane which also seemed cool and had a more alien feel.

Cape Jule:



They've changed the quest flow quite a bit. The general "kill X" quests that are a staple of the genre have largely been removed as traditional quests. Instead of talking to 5 NPCs in each hub and having them give you BS reasons to kill enemies, you are automatically granted the kill quests (called Onslaught quests) by killing one of those enemies. Enemies that are part of an Onslaught quest you haven't started are marked by a special icon over their head. Because of this, most quest hubs only give you 1-2 quests. You'll sometimes see other quests along the way to those objectives or off the beaten path if you explore, and you'll also have the option of doing Onslaught quests for mobs in the area.

I have mixed feelings about Onslaught quests. On the one hand, they smartly cut back on the amount of filler quest text you have to read. With so many fewer quests to provide text for, they are able to put some actual story into the quests you are doing and in general the quests make a bit more sense for the main story of each zone. One of my big complaints about TERA is that you get 5 pages of boring quest text for every quest to kill 10 boars. It gets in the way of the fun part of the game (the combat). Rift's combat just isn't good enough for combat to be a reward in and of itself, so the Onslaught quests end up feeling like a shameless grind. And boy, there are a lot of them.

They are technically optional: each Onslaught quests gives significantly less EXP than a normal quest, and they never give items (just zone currency). Still, the temptation to finish a quest you started is always there and abandoning them is impractical because you are granted the quest again the next time you kill a mob of that type. So far I have finished every Onslaught quest I came across in Cape Jule but I can't say I enjoyed doing them after the first few.

I think they could easily fix this in two ways:

-Onslaught quests should not be tracked as regular quests. It's pretty annoying to have your quest tracker quickly fill up with kill quests just because you ran into a new type of mob on the road.  If they were tracked in a smaller area of the UI and did not compete with other quests for space on your tracker, they would feel less obnoxious.

-Onslaught quests should never have a kill requirement higher than 10 mobs or so. Anything past that is more mobs than you would likely have killed of that type while doing the quest you are actually in the area for, at which point you are just sticking around to finish the Onslaught quest. It feels grindy pretty fast.

Overall I'm enjoying the expansion and I'm glad to see that the developers seem to have found their footing. They've really embraced the techno-magic angle in the new zones and it makes the game feel like something unique rather than just another Fantasy MMO. I know a lot of people complained about how boring/soul-less the 1-50 content was in the original game, and I think it's the one area they've  improved most for Storm Legion.
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Reply #57 on: November 18, 2012, 08:48:35 AM

Those are technically Carnage quests. The Onslaughts are the defeat the invasion waves things. Most of your points are spot on though. The carnage numbers in Cape Jule and Kingdom of Pelladane are all over the place, from 10 to 30. In the later zones, it seems to have standardized at 16 unless the mobs come in groups, then it's usually 10 groups. This happens most often with the bugs. They often come in groups of 2 to 3, so the Carnage is usually 20 or rarely 30, either way, it's almost always 10 fights.

Each continent defintely tells its own story, I'm not sure though that you can level to 60 solely on one continent. You will end up moving into fairly high level areas quickly. City Core and Seratos are 53-57 zones and I was 51 coming out of Pelladane. While I could handle the 53 stuff, I was only 52 by the time I was starting to run into 55 mobs. And this was doing every Carnage and random pickup quest as well as all of the story quests.

I'll have to say that the leveling curve seems a bit off. It felt fairly slow from 50 through 54, but once I got to 55 it seemed to accelerate and was much less of a slog.

About the dungeons, not so sure about them. They seem to have missed the Cataclysm lesson. These dungeons are hard in regular mode. Don't get me wrong, they are neat. There are lots of mechanics and the fights are varied, rarely a tank and spank to be found. However, these bosses often have soft enrage timers and my guild group was needing a second group healer instead of a support healer to get through, which made the enrage timer really tight.
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Reply #58 on: November 19, 2012, 08:28:29 AM

Yeah, I've been reading about the dungeons being too hard (with most of the hardcore raiding community predictably going 'lol scrubs l2p'). Is it just hyperbole, or are tanks really getting 2-shot unless they were in omg uber gear from old RIFT raids? If I was to play again, my blue-geared cleric would probably get laughed out of the dungeon even before I zoned in, even if I tried to pick up a few SL armor pieces from early quests - btw, how much time does it take to replace every slot with SL gear?
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Reply #59 on: November 19, 2012, 12:27:28 PM

Not really sure. I will say that the guy who MT'd for us through Maelforge did get two shot on the first pull of one of the lvl 60 normal dungeons. Then it happened again on the second pull. Then it happened on the first pull of the second pack.

I think some of the problem might be that the tanks are going in with their old omg uber gear and the new scaling is pwn'ing them in the face. I picked up a blue shield yesterday and passed it on to our MT. He replaced his relic Maelforge shield with it. We checked and it had 40% more armor than his old one. I was reading this thread and noticed the thing about scaling. I imagine that's what's holding alot of people back. Because when you are looking at the stats. The old goto stats are mostly the same when compared to orange ID gear. Additionally, the new gear often only has one bonus stat, AP, Crit or Crit Power instead of everything. Then there are the set bonuses. So lots of people are reluctant to give up old gear.

Additionally, they have made some odd choices with gearing options. With the original game, it was fairly easy to be geared for dungeons. You could get a couple of pieces crafted and get a couple of the normal dungeon rewards and you were ready to go. DPS could rune for hit. I don't have an armorsmith yet, but there aren't any easily acquireable crafted rogue tanking pieces. For DPS, there are no purchasable hit runes. The recipies may be dropped, but I haven't heard or seen yet. I have done both of the lvl 60 dungeons and only one of them had a quest and the reward there was a ranged weapon, so no easy toughness there.

About those lvl 60 dungeons, I would say that they are both oddly easier than the two leveling dungeons I have seen. The mechanics are well telegraphed and mostly self explanatory. Standard don't stand in things, spread out, clump up, etc. There's also very little trash. The Empyrean Core only maybe 12 trash pulls. I missed the run up to the first boss in the Tower dungeon, but it looks like each boss has a little RP trash clearing where the mobs are neutral and you get an ability that one shots them as long as you aren't in their frontal cone. There are two actual trash packs before the last or second to last boss and that's it. They are still hallways, but there's movement and some basic story to why things are there.

My suspicion is that they designed the leveling dungeons as experts first and then just toned them down for leveling purposes. The leveling dungeons I have done call for very quick reactions for mechanics as well as heavy group and tank heals. The mechanics aren't as well telegraphed or evident.

I would say that if you are SL blue, you are good to go for dungeons. If this is a blue lvl 50, you will probably be fine for DPS for the first dungeon. You will probably replace all or least most blue lvl 50 vanilla gear by the end of one of the first zones. In hindsight, I should have replaced most of my ID gear beyond trinkets - which are non existent as far as I can see - by 55 or 56 instead of holding onto most of it to 60. I did replace all of my ID weapons, including relic main hand, by lvl 54 with a PvP reward boxes which gave lvl 54 blues.

While I'm here, I want to comment again about leveling speed. It got faster once I hit 55. In the beta, I much preferred Pelladane as the opening zone, however I noticed that lvl 53 mobs at lvl 51 were a problem so I decided to do Cape Jule as well. I came out of that at 53. I went back to Seratos and did half of that. By then I was 54 and starting to hit lvl 57 mobs. So I went back and started City Core. I just followed the City Core quest line through the next three zones. I did three or four hours total grinding out the new Hunt rifts with the guild to open up the first lvl 60 set. They are very good XP and there are usually groups going for  them. Don't burn out on them or expect gear from them, but do some for the XP.
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Reply #60 on: November 19, 2012, 12:40:47 PM

The just seer works fine with non top raid geared players, you just won't want to go buck wild with it. Find your limits. I've replaced ID relic weapons at 54, with blues from the PvP box, and am starting to see very compelling green left side gear from quests. A good tip I got today was to use a spare sigil/source thing to slot in new lesser essences.

IAs are definitely the way to go sub 50. Just remember to buy the planar gear for each level bracket. Doing some pvp is not a bad idea either. You will be in full blues and purples the whole way. Remember to buy/upgrade your sigil/source thingee. I see tons of people at 50 with the starter two slot thing. Why people leave those stats on the table is beyond me.

Do you still buy non 50 planar gear from random merchant throughout the world, or is there one in the city hub?  I can't recall.
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Reply #61 on: November 19, 2012, 12:56:25 PM

Sub 50 it's at the port town in each Zone. The 50 zones break that a bit, but the only really confusing one is Stillmoor. I have never leveled a Defiant so I don't know where that guy is, but the Guardian guy is at the second quest hub in the zone. In IPP and Shimmersand the vendor is at the center, neutral, non special faction, port hub.
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Reply #62 on: November 19, 2012, 01:17:18 PM

That's what I remember.  It's a shame since I'm leveling via IAs and I'm missing out on ports  awesome, for real
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Reply #63 on: November 19, 2012, 01:59:05 PM

Yeah, on my last alt through, I would stop at 20, 30, etc and hit up the relevant town to get the port then get back on the IA train. The only other detours were som PvP randoms to get enough favor for that tier of blues.
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Reply #64 on: November 24, 2012, 11:32:19 AM

So, I'm into the expert grind and yeah, this is not so good. Just prior to the expansion, they nerfed AoE healing across the board and seem to have forgotten that they designed with that healing in mind. There are also scads of tank one shots out there. There are lots of fights you need to two heal as a consequence, which frequently means you aren't going to hit the designed enrage targets if your DPS isn't top notch. This means that healers are only slightly less in demand than the tanks. I've yet to luck out with a random during prime time, instead I'm hoping I can get in on the two or three guild 5 mans going on. This stuff is doable, if you have a very solid group.

Speaking of DPS, there was an explicit comment in several places where they mentioned they were going to design fights to be melee friendly. So not the case. This is some full on BC level melee hate on stuff here.

Outside of the dungeons, I will say that the other lvl 60 stuff is interesting. There's lots of "just one more" with the carnage quests. The gear you can get from the zone currencies are equal to expert gear once it is upgraded and, unlike the vanilla edition, is relatively reasonably priced. If you ground it out, you could upgrade a piece in a day, but one a week is more likely. There are also lots of different ways to get that currency. There are easy daily quests for at least 20 of them. They drop from invasions and rifts. There are weekly quests to complete X invasions or close X number of upper level hunt rifts. There are the zone events as well. While not as involved as the Ember Isle events, they are generally more interesting than the original kill X invasions and close X rifts events. Though there are still a couple of those "simple" events.

For all I don't like that they made trade skills a fairly significant money sink, I think they will work better in the long run. Crafting augments are now player made instead of dropped and you have to make and break down significant quantities of raw materials to get them. The vendor portions are not insignificant costs and should pull money out. The new dimensions/player housing is not my thing, but some people are experimenting and making some neat stuff. Someone recreated the Pig and Whistle from Stormwind.

The dungeons are another case of designing for the audience they want, rather than the one they have. Designers really need to remember that most people who play these games play them like ARPGs and just accept that the bleeding edge is going to burn through everything in a week. They can't be stopped and even trying to contain them is detrimental to the rest of the game.
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Reply #65 on: November 24, 2012, 03:45:51 PM

Do you think they are copying WoW and releasing for the hardcore and nerfing later for the casuals?

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Reply #66 on: November 24, 2012, 07:30:42 PM

Is there some automagic way to set up Gadgets Unit Frames or do you just have to add each item and save it and adjust it?

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Reply #67 on: November 24, 2012, 08:20:26 PM

Release hard and nerf has been the apparent operating principle for everything other than Drowned Halls so far. I'm not sure it's the plan though, if it is, it might not be a bad idea to telegraph it like WoW does now with the progressive buff thing. Even then, I'm fairly certain that it's a bad idea to release intro content with that in mind. How many people did that turn off in Cataclysm?

For gadgets, I don't use the unit frame bit, but from what I recall when I tried it, you do have to do each individual bit.
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Reply #68 on: November 26, 2012, 08:35:36 AM

Is there some automagic way to set up Gadgets Unit Frames or do you just have to add each item and save it and adjust it?

I think you have to do it separately.  It was a pain in the ass but it only takes 10min.

I got my cleric up to 48 last night.  Would of been 50 if the Giants weren't on.  I found an awesome grind spot that makes leveling amazingly fast.  I'll be hitting 50 in about 1.5 days played.

I play a Defiler with points in Cab so Bound Fate spreads Tyranny.  There is a place in Freemarch where there is a farm full of undead stuff, which is a focus of an IA.  The mobs are around level 13/14 or so.  Essentially what I do is drop my little tanking totem on a central mob target, then run around Marrowing (dot/heal) every mob around me.  I Dot/Bond the casters.  What this accomplishes is, the totem acts as a gathering place for every NPC that I target and I never get touched.  I then Tyranny/Bound Fate and everything dies. (5-10 mobs at once)

With a veteran experience pot, I get around 850xp per mob in the late 40s.  I join the local IA in Freemarch and if I'm not kicked I get a few extra xp every few minutes as other people clean them up.

This probably works with other AOE grinding builds, and I tried the other popular Cleric builds, but this one has the most survivability to it.  It's amazingly efficient to round up mobs too.  It's not a lot of work at all.  The only way I die is if my totem gets stuck on a wall and all the NPCs come after me.

This is much much faster than doing just IAs.  Also, since you're deleveled to 14, I couldn't find any other spots in the game where IAs were triggering that this worked so well and so fast.  Though, I might have to try the trolls in Stonefield, but I only have two more levels to go until I hit the expansion content.
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Reply #69 on: November 26, 2012, 12:04:01 PM

I never tried just grinding while mentored. It's interesting that that works. Most of what I did mentored IA for were inscribed stones and PA crystals.

Note that, for unknown reasons, they decided to make XP pots mostly useless post 50. The bonus goes down to 10% for XP, but it does stay 100% for PA XP. Speaking of, that is another neat thing about the expansion. Everything you do gives both regular and PA XP. It's not split, it's just plain doubled. Kind of neat.

Some of the guild went into and 3/4'd the first 10 man. From what I heard, things were well designed, not easy, but not nut punchingly hard.
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