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jakonovski
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My newb adventures have taken me to Nasus today. I got the K-9 skin so my skill was great, but he's not quite the early game bruiser Garen is. In the late game he seems to become infinitely more useful, because of his slow and aoe effects.
Next up shall be Brand. I had some spare RP and he was on a half price sale.
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statisticalfool
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Brand: so fun, as long as you can hit your EQ.
Soraka: Is the point of AP Soraka just that you farm so hard, so so hard, that in late game, you might actually have a chance of doing some damage? I can't see split pushing with her, because of no escapes.
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Mosesandstick
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I think early lane control is very popular now meta wise. I'd guess Soraka is good at keeping her lane safe.
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Prospero
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Her early game harass is pretty mean if you max starfall first, and with the recent changes to her cooldowns/AP ratios she can easily heal 2/3rds of a squishies life in one go with max AP. Toss a lichbane on her and she actually hits pretty hard while keeping her team up at the same time.
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K9
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I bought Morgana after seeing Totalbisuit play her, and she's pretty fun to play. I really haven't figured out her ult though, but I am getting the knack of her skillshot.
I'm alternating between her and Janna. Janna is definitely easier to win on, and getting of clutch shields and knockups is definitely satisfying. I would love to be good at playing a ganky-style hero, but for now I'll just settle on support-botting teams to victory.
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Lakov_Sanite
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I like to think morgana is my main and I'll say this: don't ever expect to be high on kills. She can harass like a motherfucker, get assists out the wazoo and generally be damn good support but you won't be going around ganking all that much.
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K9
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Ok, well that's all right then. I have my mid-farm down pretty tight, I just wasn't sure if I was supposed to turn into some sort of late-game monster, or just keep pushing.
Another thought, are there some heroes that I am only going to see on free weeks, or does the game open up more at higher levels? I see a lot of the older and cheaper heroes, even when they are off free rotation (Rammus, Tryndamere, Mordekaiser, Ashe, Gangplank, Yi, Kat etc), but there are plenty of heroes I never see. I have never seen a Cassiopeia, Gragus, Irelia, Urgot, Vayne or Twisted Fate in any game as far as I can recall.
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Strazos
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You'll see them before 30, but not till you're a little higher up as people start to purchase heroes.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Yeah, morgana is also a crazy pusher. It's not uncommon for me to go mid and push two towers on my own with her.
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Margalis
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Morg is actually a pretty good ganker, you have two CC skills and a skill that lets you avoid CC.
Morg is pretty hard to play well though. There is a pretty high skill ceiling on landing bindings (especially on the right person) and putting black shield on the right person at the right time. I've played games with Morg where I got a clutch shield on someone just as Ashe arrow flew onto the screen and got a clutch flash into binding to secure a kill. You really need to hit those things to be effective with Morg though.
As far as ult is concerned, get good at using hourglass. Also CDR with Morg is extremely helpful.
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Chimpy
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Keys to Morgana's ult:
1) When it is running, you can still use your other 3 skills (so if you can get a W+Q combo on them at the same time it is awesomesauce). 2) Try to move around and keep as many people with the little purple umbilical in range as possible for when the stun+dmg at the end fires. 3) Use it when you are in range of more than one enemy champ, if you can land it to full BOOM on all 5 and your team is not full of morons who focus Mordekaiser it usually leads to your team getting 3+ kills. 4) Don't be afraid to die in team fights while using your ult, just try to stay alive long enough to have it pop to get the stun off.
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Thrawn
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Keys to Morgana's ult:
1) When it is running, you can still use your other 3 skills (so if you can get a W+Q combo on them at the same time it is awesomesauce). 2) Try to move around and keep as many people with the little purple umbilical in range as possible for when the stun+dmg at the end fires. 3) Use it when you are in range of more than one enemy champ, if you can land it to full BOOM on all 5 and your team is not full of morons who focus Mordekaiser it usually leads to your team getting 3+ kills. 4) Don't be afraid to die in team fights while using your ult, just try to stay alive long enough to have it pop to get the stun off.
5) Build Zhonya's Hourglass and don't be afraid to just flash into the other team and ult
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statisticalfool
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You know what I said about Katarina free week being a nightmare?
Doubly so for Talon. I think people don't realize how useless he is without farm. At least Kat will occasionally pull off a "nobody's paying attention to me while I spin around" kill.
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Chimpy
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5) Build Zhonya's Hourglass and don't be afraid to just flash into the other team and ult Everytime I use zhonya's it somehow doesn't work right. It ends up cancelling both zhonyas and the ult. I am probably doing it wrong :p
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« Last Edit: September 14, 2011, 07:53:10 PM by Chimpy »
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'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes.
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Margalis
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Hourglass doesn't work with channeled ults like Nunu's, it immediately cancels the ult. But it works with Morg. Make sure to time it as late as you can without dying so you are invincible until the stun goes off and have as much time as possible to chase before you activate it.
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Lakov_Sanite
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I should rephrase, morg ganks well but don't expect a lot of kills, just a ton of assists. It's very hard to get last hit on champs with her but in the end that's not what matters.
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Vaiti
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Also, if you are flashing into the other team to ult, make sure you have your spell shield on yourself first.
You can't activate your ult OR hourglass if any knockup or stun CC lands on you.
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HaemishM
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Played Singed last night, but I didn't like him much. Having no damage on 2 of his abilities made me feel inadequate. We still won and I got a bunch of assists (and deaths) but only 1 kill. Whatever he's there for, I don't think it's something I enjoy.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Singed is very much a tanky type.
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Slayerik
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Singed is off-tank initiator. Your abilities are also great for chasing/running (pool o goo is the shit). Get people to chase you. Position yourself so that when there team is retrreating they are going to be following you through miasma.
Quick build guide if you want to try him again:
Run teleport/ghost
I run a 0/7/23 - Strength of spirit in defense (important), and obvious shit in support
Magic pen marks, armor or health/lvl seals, cooldown reduction/lvl glyphs, movement speed quints
Start - Regrowth pendant and 1 health pot. Try for solo top.
First back, buy Boots and as much of a catalyst as you can. I sometimes skip boots if I am 6 just get get cata. Your ult/ghost/goo should keep you alive fine.
Rush Rod of Ages, get merc treads. Next up, Force of Nature. From there I go rylai's usually, or Banshees. This can vary. If i get early kills I buy a Mejai (not recommended)
Remember, singed escapes with very little health. Get people to chase and poison them. You have to live on the edge to be a good singed. With FoN and your ult, your regen is retarded. I push lanes very hard mid game, and use my escapes to get away after half the team comes up to gank. Teleport and push.
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« Last Edit: September 15, 2011, 09:01:25 AM by Slayerik »
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Margalis
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Singed is awesome against stupid teams who chase Singed - aka most teams.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Vaiti
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Having to type "stop" "don't chase" while watching your team proceed to chase him through towers because he "will die in one more hit" then watching them get obliterated is one of the biggest face palm moments of the game.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Incidentally, nothing funnier than rooting singed in place so he can't run anywhere.
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Slayerik
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They should make the Kenyan Marathon Singed skin.
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"I have more qualifications than Jesus and earn more than this whole board put together. My ego is huge and my modesty non-existant." -Ironwood
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Viin
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Thanks for posting the thread on last hitting - I haven't played in forever but decided to try again after reading it and watching the videos.
Previously, I had kinda ignored the "farming of minions" aspect and focused on the PvP portion.. which was obviously a mistake, I died a lot to say the least.
I started playing Sivir the last couple of nights and focused on last hitting/farming in the early game - and so far, at my level (6, woo), I can easily out level and out gold everyone else. Last night I was level 18 while the opposition was still level 12! That was somewhat extreme, but it was never very hard to stay 2+ levels ahead of most everyone.
Now I just gotta figure out the right items to buy for Sivir, so I use that gold appropriately. So far I have focused on health boosts, mana regen, and attack speed.
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Slayerik
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Manamune would seem pretty sweet on her. She has some mana issues that I think I used to get a Chalice for her off the bat.
Stark's fervor for AS and Lifesteal, maybe Aegis as well if you wanna be super aura bitch.
Black Cleaver for straight up DPS.
IIRC, Sivir loves getting a bloodthirster late. She farms so well that it really pumps up your sustain and damage output.
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Slayerik
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Tips for Sivir... Blade goes through walls and can finish a low champ that is recalling at a tower. Take teleport so you can push like a maniac. You aren't a solo killing beast. Try to stick to team fighting and blade a great runner killer. Watch your richochet mana usage.
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Vaiti
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Furiously
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Riven might be the most OP champ I have ever played.
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statisticalfool
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And she just got a round of hotfix buffs too.
Orianna: wow, there is a lot going on there.
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Amaron
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And she just got a round of hotfix buffs too. OMG where?! I love her but her first week she was clearly UP :(. They need to at least fix the wind slash.
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statisticalfool
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Base Stats Attack Speed per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9 Base Armor increased to 15 from 12 Broken Wings bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6. Ki Shout cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5 Valor Shield increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160. Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7. Wind Slash Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5 Missile speed increased by 10% to 2200 from 2000.
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Amaron
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Meh she needs more but I'm glad they improved the wind slash. If they let her dash go through walls she might become pretty viable. She's really popular so hopefully RIOT will keep working on her till she's tier 2 at least.
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Rokal
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Meh she needs more but I'm glad they improved the wind slash. If they let her dash go through walls she might become pretty viable. She's really popular so hopefully RIOT will keep working on her till she's tier 2 at least.
I don't think that's something they could hot fix. I'm hoping we see some further tweaks in a real patch (like Q always following your cursor) even if those tweaks aren't 'buffs' necessarily.
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Rasix
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I'm really loving Annie so far. First pvp game went well. Some of the deaths at the end were me just diving in a game that was already done because the middle and top were just getting owned by that Ryze (and their own stupidity). I was bottom lane solo against a retarded Yi and a pretty ineffective Ashe (however, she was better than any of my teammates). I got a nice "i h8 u annie ><" after I flattened her for like the fifth time. Still, it was a lot of fun. Wish I had a better gap closer with Annie at times, but it's probably a good thing that I'm not able to dive. I did get better at using Tibbers to halt someone / head off gankers.
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« Last Edit: September 21, 2011, 12:02:49 AM by Rasix »
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