Syfy + Trion = Defiance MMO Action Shooter (PC 360 PS3)

[Pennilenko]

They definitely decided to go with a last minute marketing blitz, Defiance adds are fricken everywhere.

[Ghambit]

Given the attention span of the average gamer/show-watcher, should we really even have beef with their marketing schedule?  I've thought on it more and the way people react to advertising it seems a media blitz just before launch might be the smarter, as well as cheaper, choice.  

They're definitely not marketing for the min-maxer.

 

Feels a bit OP being a Steam subber though.  Seriously, 3 vehicles at launch?  Do all these rewards stack??  Or do we indeed get +10 inv slots and 10 days of xp boost?  Also, I totally missed they give you a season pass discount at reward 3 (doesnt say how much though).  That's a nice touch there.

Fuck. This might actually make me cave in.

Yah, it's fast.   But it wont drive well in rough terrain.  For that you need the 4x4.  People bitched about the terrain collision system but it's really there to have a reason for different vehicles.  Also, I cant wait to use my truck during arkfalls.  The 4-wheeler assplodes if u breath on it.

[Riggswolfe]

The discount is $10 off. Instead of $39.99 it's now $29.99. It makes me wish I'd preordered from Steam instead of Gamestop or that these bonuses were for all preorders. I only did Gamestop because I wanted some of the perks you get from the nicer editions. Yes, I spent more than $60 on this game. Sue me.

[Ghambit]

Looks like Trion lifted their initial ban on Steam subs pre-DLing the game.  So no need to wait until launch for the game to unlock, just DL from Trion after you inject your keys.  Cheers.

[Stormwaltz]

Looks like all the Steam rewards have been unlocked.  Surprising considering it was sitting at only 30% of reward 1 this time last week.

My inner Cynical Git suggests some numbers were finessed behind the scenes.

[Falconeer]

I thought the same thing.

[Ginaz]

Looks like all the Steam rewards have been unlocked.  Surprising considering it was sitting at only 30% of reward 1 this time last week.

My inner Cynical Git suggests some numbers were finessed behind the scenes.

I think a lot of people might have canceled their pre-orders from other sites to get in on the Steam rewards.  Plus, maybe the beta weekend convinced more people to buy in.  I trust Steam enough to not think they manipulated the numbers.

[palmer_eldritch]

How does the PvP work? Is it all little mini games in specific instances, or can I sneak up on people while they are busy trying to take down a boss in a PvE mission and shoot them in the back?

Edit: This may have been answered earlier I guess

There is PVP but it's of the 'go to a new map and fight' style and I believe you can totally avoid it. This may be one of the few MMOs that doesn't see a round of nerfs because pvpers whine and cry.

Anything else I should know though (just supposing I like shooting people in the back...)

[Phred]

Anything else I should know though (just supposing I like shooting people in the back...)

Ya, You should probably look for a different game.

[Threash]

Sixty bucks and 30 more for a season pass? this is a good deal?

[Malakili]

Sixty bucks and 30 more for a season pass? this is a good deal?

I think you're supposed to look at it like a MMO + few months sub.

[Evildrider]

Soo I should buy?  

Reviews are all over the place on this game.
  

[Trippy]

Is the NDA over yet?

[Pennilenko]

Is the NDA over yet?

Only for beta, if you were in the "alpha" you are still under NDA.

[Malakili]

Is the NDA over yet?

NDA from the beta is over, but if you played in the alpha you can't talk about the alpha experience.

Soo I should buy?  

Reviews are all over the place on this game.
  

I'm not going to buy.  I don't think the game is really bad, but in my experience it is just boring after a while.  I enjoyed it for a bit during beta, but basically feel like in that (relatively short) time, I've already gotten my fun out of/fill of the game.  If you really like the setting and like the idea of running/driving around a fair sized game world shooting stuff in a quest-centric MMO, it might be for you.

[Bann]

Im in on this. But I'm on spring break all of next week, and found out that our long distance car either is out of commission for the moment.

[Numtini]

Beta player, reminded me of GW2 except with more traditional questing. Not an in depth serious MMO, but something you can pop into from time to time and have some fun in. Good game for me at this time.

[jakonovski]

I've managed to completely miss that this game even exists. What is its hook? Does it have sweet exploration or excellent gunplay?

[kildorn]

I've managed to completely miss that this game even exists. What is its hook? Does it have sweet exploration or excellent gunplay?

Passable gunplay. The hook in theory is the TV show, but personally I really don't care about that. It's basically Tabula Rasa 2: Tabula Harder. What remains to be seen is how the DLC pack stuff expands the world or fails to.

[Draegan]

Since my only experience is the NDA stuff I can't say much. I haven't played in quite some time, but just recently tried again.  I bought through Steam yesterday. There are some some bits in this that make it worth the experience.

[kildorn]

I picked it up because I enjoyed the gunplay as a casual thing. I just don't think this is really intended for hardcore shooter fans, or hardcore exploration fans. It's just a bit of fun, and I'm curious how the DLC plans on keeping people coming back.

[Ghambit]

Since my only experience is the NDA stuff I can't say much. I haven't played in quite some time, but just recently tried again.  I bought through Steam yesterday. There are some some bits in this that make it worth the experience.

Have you seen the show pilot?  Tis good?  (or am I getting you mixed up with Darniaq)

[jakonovski]

I wanna make sure, this thing doesn't have a monthly fee right?

[Pendan]

So I am not supposed to say anything because I am still under the alpha NDA but I think that is pure garbage one day before release. Is the game fun? Yes. But it is also the most buggy unbalanced game I have beta tested since Horizon. It does not have the show stopping bugs of Anarchy Online but is has so many small things that are so irritating. It is also so shallow and repetitive. But it is easy to overlook in the short term because it is fun for a while.

[Draegan]

Since my only experience is the NDA stuff I can't say much. I haven't played in quite some time, but just recently tried again.  I bought through Steam yesterday. There are some some bits in this that make it worth the experience.

Have you seen the show pilot?  Tis good?  (or am I getting you mixed up with Darniaq)

My Senior Editor got a chance to watch the whole pilot/first episode when she visited the studios last week. She said it was awesome. Though she is under NDA with it.

[Riggswolfe]

The first 14 minutes of the pilot is available. It looks ok. Some ok action and world building. The main character seems a bit stiff but the teenage alien girl has enough personality to make up for it.

The game is fun but shallow. It is far more about action than the typical MMO and is really more of a shooter than an MMO in my experience. As far as Pen's unbalanced comments I'm not sure what that is all about. There are no classes and only 4 main skills with the rest being % increases to damage, health, damage resistance, or tweaks to those 4 skills like shorter recharge times.

The weapons may be slightly unbalanced I suppose but that doesn't bother me. A rocket launcher > sniper rifle > pistol seems pretty natural to me. My only weapon complaint was that shotguns felt underpowered to me.

[Draegan]

When there are some unbalanced weapons in a game, thats fine with me because anyone can use any weapon. It's also fun.

My main issue though is the ego system is really shallow. Four abilities with just perks that augment stuff is kind of meh. Maybe it adds up over time.

[Nightblade]

I don't see a lot of staying power in this game. It looks like yet another 3rd person shooter only in a grindy open world with the now obligatory tacked on MMO story where every player plays the same exact role in the story as "the one".

A good idea, but it feels like they squandered a lot of potential here.

[luckton]

At first, I was honestly expecting it to be a clone of Rift, just reskinned and bugs/issues worked out, along with some features more fully fleshed out and taking out the bits that didn't work.

By all means, keep the "shooter" aspect of it for those classes that do that, but then work in the other bits, or something.  I dunno.

[Draegan]

I don't see a lot of staying power in this game. It looks like yet another 3rd person shooter only in a grindy open world with the now obligatory tacked on MMO story where every player plays the same exact role in the story as "the one".

A good idea, but it feels like they squandered a lot of potential here.

I half agree, I'm holding on to that they have something half way decent with the show tie-in that they haven't shown us us.

We'll see.

[Pendan]

As far as Pen's unbalanced comments I'm not sure what that is all about.

Balance as in how hard to make PvE opponents. They have been making big changes in the final weeks. Balance as in what the final boss is like compared to the rest of the game. Balance as in what type of shield to use for all PvE content such that the rest is vendor trash. Balance as in how much ammo drops which also is swinging back and forth and they can't get correct. Balance as in where to place skills in the big matrix, how many points to give you to use the matrix, and what level you need to be to unlock certain skills. Balance as in how to do keycode drops and box unlocks. They redid the mechanics a couple weeks ago because the old system was terrible. Hopefully the new system does not need much tweeking. And yes, balance as in some weapons are way over powered and some are way under powered. One of the over powered types is promised to be reworked or removed soon after release.

By the way certain skills are must have for the final boss while certain skills are completely useless in it but helpful at other times. Hopefully you know that if you are not the type to read spoilers you better also be not the type that is easily frustrated.

You also often want to use completely different skills, shield, and weapons in PvP than PvE. This will further the unbalance between the dedicated PvP player and the casual PvP player.

[Evildrider]

I broke down and bought it.  This will probably be the only "MMO" besides TESO I buy this year anyway.

[Ginaz]

I wanna make sure, this thing doesn't have a monthly fee right?

Correct.  Buy to play like GW2 and (now at least) The Secret World.  No sub fees.

[Numtini]

Servers would appear to be up FWIW.

[Surlyboi]

Yeah, but once again, the patcher is shitting the bed on me.