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on: June 01, 2011, 02:12:20 PM

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After speaking with multiple sources throughout the industry on the condition of anonymity, CBR News has learned some of the salient details of DC's September roster, starting with the perhaps telling news that the publisher plans to launch a full 52 monthly titles with #1 issues across the month with 13 new titles shipping each week. The number holds some significance for longtime DC readers as 52 is the number of parallel earths making up DC's multiverse, and CBR has confirmed that the #1 launches will be accompanied by a major reboot of continuity with many pieces of DC's current status quo being rewritten and undone including character relationships and even the existence of some cast members.

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Reply #1 on: June 01, 2011, 02:18:45 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if it starts out as "Here it is the new DC!" and in a couple of months turns into the DC version of Marvel ultimates with the old titles coming back and DC pretending they never intended it to be a true relaunch.

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Reply #2 on: June 01, 2011, 02:51:49 PM

They wouldn't really have much to lose by doing this.  Aside from the Green Lantern and Batman books right now, most of DC's stuff sells like shit.  I'd be kind of annoyed if this throws off Geoff John's Green Lantern run, but whatever.  Continuity fixes like the various Crisis events did little to make the books accessible to new readers., so they might be better off just making this reboot a permanent thing.  Of course none of it will matter for shit if they don't get good creative teams on these books.  I like Johns, but he can't carry the entire line himself.
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Reply #3 on: June 01, 2011, 03:00:07 PM

I give it a year before there is a big event that shakes everything up again. It's the same as it ever was, I've given up on continuity in comics.

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Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 03:38:21 PM

I don't really see the point in them catering to the hardcore continuity fans at this point though.  Look at the numbers these comics are doing right now.  At this point, do they really need to worry about upsetting the 25,000 people that read Teen Titans by wiping continuity?
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Reply #5 on: June 01, 2011, 03:56:35 PM

Does world of warcraft alone make more money monthly than the entire comic industry? Those numbers seem ridiculously low.

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Reply #6 on: June 01, 2011, 04:08:37 PM

I don't think 'Comics' have made their money from the actual comic books in quite some time.


That 30 dollar tie with superman on it though...  why so serious?





In my ever so humble opinion, they should just give up on continuity all together. Trying to keep together 100 years of contradicting story and power creep is just stupid.


If you have a Flash story, tell your Flash story and call it a day or whatever. Keep true to the theme of each character, but let their stories stand on their own.

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Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 04:10:20 PM

The numbers are low.  I don't know how the smaller publishers stay alive, but it's generally understood that DC can only afford to publish so many low selling books because they're owned by Warner Bros. and the loss they take on a lot of their books is made up for in merchandising and Batman movies.  The actual comic book market isn't very healthy at all and is largely propped up by events and crossovers.  That top issue there on the list, Fear Itself #1, is the start of Marvel's current big Event story.
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Reply #8 on: June 01, 2011, 04:25:33 PM

If you have a Flash story, tell your Flash story and call it a day or whatever. Keep true to the theme of each character, but let their stories stand on their own.

That would make too much sense, and make it too accessible to Joe "I only go in on free comic book day" Average (aka, Me.).  I picked a few up that weekend, leafed through, realized it was even more Soap Opera for geeks than I remembered and decided my kids were better off just reading old compendiums if they want to know anything about superheroes; which they don't.  "Superheroes are Lame." The daughter will read all kinds of Manga, though. vOv

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Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 04:32:52 PM

Really, they should just fuck paper books all together, put it all online for free and use the advertising money as the revenue stream. Or let webcomic writers/artists do their own stories and DC just gets a cut.


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Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 05:54:30 PM

The above reboot is what fanbois are gushing over, but the truly important story is DC going simultaneous release with digital and print on all issues from that relaunch onwards.

That's why the reboot is important - DC is making a grab at the digital download crowd. Marvel will probably have to follow suit. In 2 - 3 years max expect most print comic book stores to have either massively changed what they carry or to have disappeared. Especially as the back catalogue titles start getting DD release as well. 

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Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 05:57:23 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if it starts out as "Here it is the new DC!" and in a couple of months turns into the DC version of Marvel ultimates with the old titles coming back and DC pretending they never intended it to be a true relaunch.

A gutsy move as long as they actually go through with it.  But yeah, a part of me thinks this could happen when they succumb to nerdrage.
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Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 06:01:40 PM

Don't be fucking stupid. It won't be a genuine reboot any more than "Crisis on Infinite Earths" was. It's a renumbering, and will shortly resume with the same inbred, stifling continuity porn that condemns most comics to a small group of insiders. The point is not to *reboot* these characters, it's to tell good stories with an *indifference* to continuity. There are plenty of decent runs of long-established titles that do that now, you don't need a reboot, you just need the stones to hire someone who doesn't give a shit whether Superman masturbated on General Zod's face last week and gave birth to a microcivilization of Bukkake Kryptonians.
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Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 06:03:59 PM

The above reboot is what fanbois are gushing over, but the truly important story is DC going simultaneous release with digital and print on all issues from that relaunch onwards.

That's why the reboot is important - DC is making a grab at the digital download crowd. Marvel will probably have to follow suit. In 2 - 3 years max expect most print comic book stores to have either massively changed what they carry or to have disappeared. Especially as the back catalogue titles start getting DD release as well. 

Were that to happen I'd actually consider buying comics again.. because they'd be rare once more.  Nobody gives a shit about Action Comics #1 for the shitty storyline.  awesome, for real

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Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 07:05:06 PM

They just want to release a bunch of #1's and in 10 months, various writers and editors will change jobs and the new continuity will spin off into shit again. 

Comics are a terrible bang for your buck entertainment.  Online is the future.
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Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 07:42:02 PM

I just want DC to release the missing trade paperbacks for Books of Magic, is that so hard?
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Reply #16 on: June 02, 2011, 03:55:23 AM

They just want to release a bunch of #1's and in 10 months, various writers and editors will change jobs and the new continuity will spin off into shit again. 

Comics are a terrible bang for your buck entertainment.  Online is the future.

Releasing 52 #1 issues in one month is actually a horrible idea as most comic retailers will tell you.  There is no way they can successfully market even a fraction of those books, and retailers have no idea what to expect from these books so they're in the dark as to how much to order for each one (comic book retailers deal with a razor thin profit margin as it is if I"m not mistaken).  As ballsy a move as this may seem for DC, comic shop owners are the ones who are going to be taking the biggest risks here.  If these books fail, DC is still in more or less the same situation they're in now.
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Reply #17 on: June 02, 2011, 09:52:31 AM

The comic book shop owners are fucked for the future. Monthly comics makes almost no one any money, especially DC. The drive to mostly or all digital comics is going to become too strong in the next few years and those B&M retailers are going to be shit out of luck because speculators killed the back issue market and collectibles of any types are too fluid a market to bank on.

As for DC's reboot, a real, honet-to-god-Ultimates-level reboot is absolutely needed, but I don't know if they'll have the balls to stick with it. It also makes changes like Dick Grayson becoming Batman really fucking silly and wasteful if they just go back to Bruce Wayne as Batman.

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Reply #18 on: June 02, 2011, 10:00:00 AM

Changing the character to Dick Grayson instead of Bruce was silly and wasteful to begin with, so I don't see why they wouldn't continue making decisions in that vein.

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Reply #19 on: June 02, 2011, 11:47:24 AM

At least in terms of selling books and doing something new with the Batman mythos, switching Batman's made sense. To shitcan it a year later really takes all the air out of that balloon.

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Reply #20 on: June 02, 2011, 12:44:36 PM

Comic Shops seem silly to me to begin with. Didn't comic books used to just sit on the magazine rack beside the chocolate bars in grocery stores?

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Reply #21 on: June 02, 2011, 04:29:42 PM

Changing the character to Dick Grayson instead of Bruce was silly and wasteful to begin with, so I don't see why they wouldn't continue making decisions in that vein.

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Reply #22 on: June 02, 2011, 04:30:48 PM

Comic Shops seem silly to me to begin with. Didn't comic books used to just sit on the magazine rack beside the chocolate bars in grocery stores?

I dunno. Name me something you like, and I'm guessing it's not the same as it was in the mid-1970s. Like computer games? You may have noticed a few changes. (For example.)
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Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 05:40:09 PM

I do not understand the point you are trying to make.


The point I am trying to make is Comics don't need entire stores devoted to them.

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Reply #24 on: June 02, 2011, 06:36:03 PM

Using your logic the only store you need in life is a Super Walmart.
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Reply #25 on: June 02, 2011, 08:13:23 PM

The super walmart could probably sell more comics.  why so serious?


It's just way to narrow a scope for store.

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Reply #26 on: June 02, 2011, 08:35:14 PM

Well, any comic store I've ever been to that was successful had more than just comics.  At least that I've seen, the ones that do best are the ones that also sell various RPGs and board games as well.  The shop I get my comics from has half the store for new and back issues of comics, and the other half crammed with RPGs, board games, and Warhammer.  As best as I can tell, they've been doing great.  I would guess that though the profit on comics themselves is a razor thin margin, it gets geeks into the store to also buy D&D and Magic cards.  To get to most of the comics, you have to walk past at least some of those things on display.  They also sell a lot of TPBs, which I believe is where Marvel and DC make most of their money as well. 

The local store we had here that only sold comics, never did well at all, and I'm pretty sure it's out of business now.  Though a good part of that would be a combination of local demand, and that it was run pretty poorly the last couple years. 
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Reply #27 on: June 03, 2011, 04:13:43 AM

The super walmart could probably sell more comics.  why so serious?


It's just way to narrow a scope for store.

The problem is that the Super Walmart isn't selling them.
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Reply #28 on: June 03, 2011, 06:18:57 AM

What Mazakiel said. Most surviving comics stores today sell a range of SF-and-fantasy merchandise like TV shirts, etc., board games and RPG stuff, books, action figures, you name it. Basically I think the template at a typically smaller scale is Forbidden Planet in London. If you don't like Forbidden Planet as a 'type' of store, you don't like life.
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Reply #29 on: June 03, 2011, 08:06:32 PM

If it wasn't for movies, DC and Marvel would have merged already.  Movies will probably keep them separate for awhile, but eventually somebody is going to get itchy and buy both.

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Reply #30 on: June 04, 2011, 12:04:14 AM

Disney owns Marvel. Warner Bros owns DC. They aren't going to merge any time soon.

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Reply #31 on: June 04, 2011, 05:22:04 AM

DC is shying away quite a bit from calling this a reboot.  Especially when it comes to the stuff that is already successful, like Green Lantern, which seems to be continuing pretty much directly on from the current stories:

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"GREEN LANTERN #1

"Geoff Johns has been charting the adventures of Hal Jordan and the GREEN LANTERN Corps since GREEN LANTERN: Rebirth, collaborating with such major artists as Ethan Van Sciver, Darwyn Cooke, Prentis Rollins, Marlo Alquiza and Mick Gray.

"This fall, Johns reunites with artists Doug Mahnke and Christian Alamy, as the series begins anew with GREEN LANTERN #1 with cover by Ivan Reis and Joe Prado. Together they will continue to thrill readers and expand the Green Lantern mythos.

"Change is coming. But set aside your fear. Itíll be worth the wait.



"GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1

"When deadly conflicts emerge across the universe, itís up to Guy Gardner, John Stewart and an elite Green Lantern strike force to keep the peace.

"GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1 will be written by Peter J. Tomasi with art by Fernando Pasarin and Scott Hanna. The cover to #1 is by Doug Mahnke and Christian Alamy.



"GREEN LANTERN: THE NEW GUARDIANS #1

Who are The New Guardians?

"The power of Rage, Avarice, Fear, Will, Hope, Compassion and Love combine to be the most powerful (and colorful) team in the corps under the leadership of Kyle Rayner. Beware their power . . . and their volatility!

"GREEN LANTERN: THE NEW GUARDIANS #1 will be written by Tony Bedard and illustrated with cover by Tyler Kirkham and Batt.



"RED LANTERNS #1

"Going solo. Atrocitus and his Red Lantern Corps return in their own series, battling against injustice in the most bloody ways imaginable. This Lantern Corps takes no prisoners, they are judge, jury and executioners!
RED LANTERNS #1 will be written by Peter Milligan with art and cover by Ed Benes and Rob Hunter."
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Reply #32 on: June 04, 2011, 05:58:36 AM

So it will probably just end up being all of the books renumbering and another Superman origin.
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Reply #33 on: June 04, 2011, 11:08:40 AM

and that right there is why comics are dead.

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Reply #34 on: June 04, 2011, 06:13:18 PM

I understand the need to 'freshen' up the characters for a modern audience, but when it's done every 3-5 years it gets a  BIT old.

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