Summer Expansion - Incarna

[eldaec]

I suppose the big thing is that effectively we didn't get an expansion.

Exactly this.

[Setanta]

... for a medium range outfit.

That nobody else but you can see if it's below nipple level.

Now if they allowed you to buy nipples...





CCP would make a fucking fortune and be able to fund Dust, WoD AND EvE!!!!!


95$ for one - deluxe or standard???

[Stabs]

... for a medium range outfit.

That nobody else but you can see if it's below nipple level.

Now if they allowed you to buy nipples...





CCP would make a fucking fortune and be able to fund Dust, WoD AND EvE!!!!!


95$ for one - deluxe or standard???

It's been a long time since I scrutinised nipples on a regular basis but I seem to remember them coming in pairs.

[ajax34i]

That's an inside joke with several levels of subtlety:

- they wouldn't be selling breasts, just nipples
- it would be typical of CCP to sell ONE breast/nipple for $95 (and, yeah, expect people to buy 2)
- currently the tatoo and facial scars systems are set up to let you choose a tatoo or scar on the left side or right side of your face, but not both (and there's no option to position or adjust the scar or tatoo).
- they prefer non-symmetrical ship designs, so perhaps that extends to avatar chest designs too (and single breast/nipple allows for the greatest degree of freedom in choosing placement etc)

[Sir T]

So what you are saying is, that CCP sekretly worship Slaanesh.

[TripleDES]

There's actually at least one who's suggesting to implement item wear in the EVE forums, that can be repaired for AUR  

--edit: Also, the "exceptional" tier above mid-tier is apparently starting at around 220€ for a set. 

[Sir T]

I admit I'm really curious as to what this exceptional clothing looks like. For that money it better be more than a black swishing vampire cloak.

[Amaron]

I admit I'm really curious as to what this exceptional clothing looks like. For that money it better be more than a black swishing vampire cloak.

For that much they better have shoulder pads which spawn strippers which pop out of my monitor and dance on my desk.

[ajax34i]

Doubt they can do that, but they COULD have clothing that comes with 2 scantily-clad NPC escorts that follow you around everywhere you go.

[Kageru]

Rather clever.

The Door is Real.

[tmp]

I admit I'm really curious as to what this exceptional clothing looks like. For that money it better be more than a black swishing vampire cloak.

It's likely a very large codpiece.

[Phred]

I think EVE might have gotten a bump from SWG closing down.

I always thought it's late blooming was caused by NGE so possibly you're right.

[Morat20]

I think EVE might have gotten a bump from SWG closing down.

I always thought it's late blooming was caused by NGE so possibly you're right.

I think it did, but their sub numbers have always trended up. For good or ill, there's just not a lot of competition for EVE. It's...unique.

[Stabs]

I just had an email from CCP. Which included this:

Performance News Update - CarbonIO makes a stellar debut on Tranquility
On June 19th, the Jita system reached a record-breaking 2079 concurrent pilots without a single hiccup throughout the night. Whereas previous limit-pushing populations in Jita saw CPU usage pinned at 100%, the combined effects of CarbonIO, Inventory Setification and over nine months of related updates resulted in CPU usage sitting at an incredible 60-65%.

Thank you rioters! I guess there's no calamity so bad you can't spin it as something good.

[Kitsune]

When I got that newsletter, I read, YOU ARE SO RIGHT TO CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION.  It was bad enough when they blew off their shitty behavior as a "misunderstanding" and made no apologies to anybody.  But when they made the Jita protests into a cheery point about the server stability, that was an outright fuck-you to the players.  My money's better off going to other companies.

[Comstar]

CSM minutes from May posted

The CSM agreed that Titans in their current state are fairly balanced, and that the focus should be placed on the Supercarrier.

WTF. Titan's shouldn't have the tracking to hit anything smaller than a Carrier, little lone my poor battlecruiser sized command ship or individual logistic ship. With the 30-50 Titans our enemies can commit, able to kill 30-50 ships every 10 minutes, see you in empire I guess.

Next, the Incarna store (now called the Noble Exchange) and Aurum were presented to the CSM...The consensus appeared to be that it would be a welcomed addition.

Well, that didn't work out according to plan now did it.

Regarding the power of virtual goods, CCP Zinfandel revealed that he not only plays World of Warcraft (shock!) but that he paid a substantial amount of money on eBay for a Spectral Tiger mount (horror!)....However, Zinfandel made the point that some people treat MMO's like a videogame, and some people treat them like a hobby. Hobbyists both desire and look for ways to invest in their hobby, and virtual goods are a way to satisfy this desire."I get a great deal of pleasure every time I pull it out," said Zinfandel about his large sparkling pussycatmanhood....Editor's note: for the entire rest of the summit, no discussion of virtual goods was complete without multiple references to "sparkle ponies".

If I can get a magical sparkling pony in my captains quarters, I'd buy one. Though a stripper pole might need to come at a discount. I can call her Twlight Sparkle and read fanfic about it on equesteria.net.

CCP Tallest showed the CSM database info comparing regional values in terms of moon resources and truesec. Greyscale pointed out that the Drone Regions are significantly more powerful in terms of their truesec availability compared to the older regions.

I think this is a big reason the NC lost to the DRR. Not only were they selling their supercaps to the DRR, the DRR was an inherently stronger position anyway. The DRR if they want to, can both sell supercaps, and keep a power advantage over the rest of Eve. And they own the tech moons as well. This isn't like BoB who owned 3 regions, the DRR and their DOTDOTDOT lackies own 1/3 of Eve, and the richest 2/3's.

The CSM was then shown statistics related to the anomaly nerf. CCP did not expect the numbers to drop as much as they did. There was quite a bit of discussion about how the nerf disproportionally hurt alliance grunts.

Who could have foreseen that low level alliance grunts would not be able to make money if you take the money away and only give it to people running carriers or tech 3 ships already!

CCP Zulu believes that there is a lot of pent up demand for Incarna which will result in higher than normal post-expansion subscriber growth.

Oh yes, so much pent up demand for a WORSE interface and knowledge by the players than CCP is lying and shows nothing but contempt for their words. Actions may speak louder than words, but the CEO telling the players they don't matter is a whole lot of words too ya know.

14,000 account holders who claim that they are women

So much for hoping Incarna might be a replacement for OK Cupid.

Soundwave replied that when he started the flying in space part of his job, there was not a designated dev for ship balancing.They were going to bring in somebody to specifically crunch numbers on ships to help balance, but then they found they already had someone who wanted the job: CCP Tallest.

Well that explains a lot. Much like SWG had no one actually caring to monitor combat, so did Eve.

Who is CCP Tallest, and what broken crud has he fixed yet?

Supercarriers will not be the first ships they tackle, instead they will start with something smaller first.

Because nothing in fleet warfare is as broken as that no one flies Electronic Attack Frigates!

[Phildo]

Because nothing in fleet warfare is as broken as that no one flies Electronic Attack Frigates!

If it's assault frigates, I'm cool with this.

[tmp]

Regarding the power of virtual goods, (..) Zinfandel made the point that some people treat MMO's like a videogame, and some people treat them like a hobby. Hobbyists both desire and look for ways to invest in their hobby, and virtual goods are a way to satisfy this desire.

The hell? Have yet to meet a hobbyist who, given choice between getting the shit for free and shelling out some hard money for it would be all "no, please take my money, the more the better; i desire it and i look forward to discussing this purchase with my spouse once she hears about it." Specifically desiring and looking for ways to spend money so one can then feel good about it ain't being a hobbyist, that's being a walking bucket of psychological issues.

[Amarr HM]

that's being a walking bucket of psychological issues.

CCP really do know their playerbase.

[TripleDES]

CCP's own Reality Distortion Field, emanating from Hilmar himself!

[Amaron]

The hell? Have yet to meet a hobbyist who, given choice between getting the shit for free and shelling out some hard money

Don't think that's what he meant.   I think he was saying hobbyists want more stuff and are willing to pay for it instead of not get it at all.

[Ingmar]

It is absolutely true that hobbyists will value certain exclusive prestige type items more than their 'real' worth (say, something like a Black Lotus card in MTG) but the problem with applying this to virtual goods sold by CCP is that the prestige and price with those sorts of things is essentially created by the secondary market. CCP is trying to create 'prestige' by selling something for an outrageous price that they've set themselves, rather than doing it organically through rarity and letting the secondary market decide. That's what they don't seem to understand (from my outsider perspective anyway.)

[Amarr HM]

I would like to add that the prestige MTG card has potential resale value.

[Setanta]

I would like to add that the prestige MTG card has potential resale value.

Don't I know it. I sold my Beta Lotus along with UL Moxen and Lotus, my multiples of the rest of the power 9, 3 sets of Dual-tap lands plus an entire set of Arabian Nights, Juzam Djinn sets etc and misc uncommon, rare and common beta cards to put a deposit on a house, :D Admittedly I sold off my first run Star Wars CG cards at the same time.

After that I didn't follow the prices for fear that they went up.

I can't see myself doing that with Eve.

[tgr]

If the CSM minutes are to be believed, then this winter's expansion is going to be the most hilarious one yet.

[Morat20]

This is not really pressing me to resub.

In fact, the whole bitching about the interface is making me a bit leery -- and I've been missing my internet spaceships.

[Pezzle]

Lots of 'we cannot do that because of (x)' and 'hey check out this upcoming Incarna stuff!'

Mucking with Local is bad.  If the Sov revamp uses Dominion as a foundation it will be awful.  Eve needs a better UI, it needs lots of things.  I wonder how many more monocles we get instead.  Oh, and that thing does not even look like a monocle to me.  It is ugly.  I wonder what the upper tier pricing will be.

And prepare for Dust to fuck with your game in hilarious ways.  CCP are going to force that shit on you.

[VainEldritch]

Eve needs a better UI 

It does - but since in eight years CCP have been unable to figure out how to increase the font text size above 13 point, I have trepidations about any such "upgrade".

[Morfiend]

The hotkeys they added are amazing. You have to click on the Overview window, before the hotkey will actually do anything. 

[VainEldritch]

The hotkeys they added are amazing. You have to click on the Overview window, before the hotkey will actually do anything. 

  

[Amaron]

EvE's UI is so bad that a command line interface would be faster to use.

[eldaec]

EvE's UI is so bad that a command line interface would be faster to use.

This is true of every GUI in the history of computing.

[Amaron]

This is true of every GUI in the history of computing.

No I'm pretty sure only EvE could make targeting and movement so annoying that doing it with a CLI would be better than the mouse.    I suspect it's a good thing Dust isn't coming out on the PC.    I can picture the menus for changing weapons/ammo and reloading.    They'd map the mousewheel to weapon zoom only.   Mounting a vehicle would involve targeting via mouse then clicking on a UI element to mount which would bring up a submenu to pick which seat.   Throwing a grenade would involve first a submenu to select throw distance then another submenu to select priming time.

All of this would be in 10 point font and higher font sizes would get patched in 6 months later.

[Lantyssa]

And the zoom would be backwards from every other game in existence.

[Amaron]

And the zoom would be backwards from every other game in existence.

I knew I was forgetting something.