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Reply #3815 on: October 17, 2017, 07:21:07 PM

There was no way that game could have ever been good, especially if you just throw some team on it that's done nothing remotely similar.

I was going to make that arguement, but their wikipedia page lists a few 007 games and an Army of Two sequel, so they've made shooters before.

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Reply #3816 on: October 17, 2017, 07:26:39 PM

Bad games are bad.
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Reply #3817 on: October 17, 2017, 08:23:34 PM

Dead Space 2 was really good IMO even with some of the dumber twists to it. DS3 had an insanely dumb plot but I got through it- the ingame purchases must be for complete idiots because I just fucked around and destroyed the game on normal difficulty.

I give the remains of Bioware 6 months post their next underwhelming release, then it's into the woodchipper.
Basically Anthem is going to need to do extremely fucking well. I have this feeling their best case scenario is that it basically is like The Division where it sells insanely fucking well for a short period of time and then EVERYONE drops it the instant they run through all the content once.
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Reply #3818 on: October 17, 2017, 10:02:54 PM

I'm excited to see Riot fuck up their next game even though LOL will keep them afloat forever.

Why would they make a next game and take the chance on draining resources from their cash cow?

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Reply #3819 on: October 18, 2017, 12:58:50 AM

Because they are and for some reason they have 4000 employees or some shit when less than 50 would do.
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Reply #3820 on: October 18, 2017, 04:50:20 AM

The press release by EA is some of the most cynical paragraphs of bullshit I've ever read.

It boils down to "we realized we wanted a shitty MMO loot-box-o-rama, where we can milk the players for years while providing no content". Or in short: we want to make the same shitload of money Destiny and Overwatch make and we're holding the most promising property hostage for that.

It would be naive at that point to hope that all games that contain what is essentially a slot machine only vastly shittier crash and burn (at least with a slot machine I can potentially win something valuable like money and payouts and the RNG properties are regulated and regularly checked). Also that the companies making them go out of business. Overwatch and Destiny show that people have no qualms to spend billions on useless virtual fluff if the loot box opening animation is shiny enough even when the game is boring players to death (see Destiny).

God but I'd sure celebrate the day when either Activision, EA or Bungie finally crash and burn when one of their billion dollar excuses to sell you randomized loot fails hard.

The most likely outcome will be that the loot box and randomized "please insert your CC info here" fake game experiences will get so egregious over the next years (a process that has already started) that it will get shut down by some regulatory body. Most likely in China and the EU. Pandering online gambling to minors will be the issue here, also the fact that all of the properties of the loot box systems are opaque, could change at any moment and are not regulated.

(see Activision's patent on providing players a shittier online experience when they don't buy item boxes to "incetivize them" for the possible path this will take over the next years).

I fully expect every game that is made by a large publisher (except Nintendo, maybe) to be build from the ground up around loot box or other casino mechanics going forward in an endless procession of "even shittier than Clash of Clans or Candy Crush but still at $60" skinner boxes that pretend to be video games.

edit: the patent is by Activision not EA
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Reply #3821 on: October 18, 2017, 07:45:17 AM

The most likely outcome will be that the loot box and randomized "please insert your CC info here" fake game experiences will get so egregious over the next years (a process that has already started) that it will get shut down by some regulatory body. Most likely in China and the EU. Pandering online gambling to minors will be the issue here, also the fact that all of the properties of the loot box systems are opaque, could change at any moment and are not regulated.

(see Activision's patent on providing players a shittier online experience when they don't buy item boxes to "incetivize them" for the possible path this will take over the next years).

I fully expect every game that is made by a large publisher (except Nintendo, maybe) to be build from the ground up around loot box or other casino mechanics going forward in an endless procession of "even shittier than Clash of Clans or Candy Crush but still at $60" skinner boxes that pretend to be video games.

What's funny is this is EXACTLY the path I bitched about when DLC was becoming a thing 11 years ago with the Horse Armor and intro of DLC. Same with the current trend to only release half a game and make you buy it piecemeal as "DLC" or "Preorder Exclusives"!  People said I was ridiculous. That there's no way the industry would head here, and gamers would revolt. That Pay to Win wouldn't ever become a model, because who would play the games then?

How slowly that frog has boiled.

I said the same thing about loot boxes and these being essentially gambling. China already made the first move, demanding that the actual chances be posted and adhered to.  (which are what prompted some of Blizzard's loot box changes, apparently.)  I expect taxation of virtual goods to happen before we get actual controls on gambling.

Especially in the US where, despite a growing number of 45-year-olds playing games they're still regarded as "Kids things" and not worthy of real attention. Like minimum wage jobs, comics, and animation; when anything is "a kid thing" in the US, the collective conscience dismisses it as not being worthy of real attention. So no; we're not going to see any move towards controls and exposing the mechanics of randomization. Particularly not if companies make claims that doing so would expose their "not a lottery" system to hacking. A catch-all word that the technologically-illiterate just trust companies to know what they're talking about.

It'll take a real, hard, in-depth scandal to get any movement on this front in the EU or US. Billions of dollars scammed or the like. Even then it's likely to get a dismissive "Meh, only losers do that anyway" from the public.

Half-a-game releases, loot boxes and pay-to-win are only the tip of the spear now, though. We're going to see even more exploitation of fans and whales. Energy systems and timers are big in mobile, they're going to make their way into other games some how. Pay to recharge, pay to get more plays. Unlock this content.

Yeah, we're not far off from the "Insert verification can" future we once mocked as impossible.
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Reply #3822 on: October 18, 2017, 09:14:23 AM

Did they add RMT lootboxes to Destiny 1? I do not remember anything besides the actual DLC packs that you could/had to pay for at launch.

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Reply #3823 on: October 18, 2017, 09:44:37 AM

I'm still pretty much in the same boat as I was then about RMT or whatever we call it now. I just ignore it, and if a game's fun depends on it, I don't play it. The big moneymaker for GTA V is something I completely ignore. Sure, there's some cool stuff I wouldn't mind having in the single player game, but it doesn't detract from it. So we're not over that line yet, and I don't think we will be. The main thing would be to, you know, stop buying those "AAA" games.

I do agree it would be nice if video games could adapt to the reality of the demographic. I'm almost 50, my interests are not what they were when I was in my 20s. Give me some adult options for gaming (I don't mean VR porn, just some deeper stuff). I understand that the manbabies drawn to game development are incapable of maturity, it's rare enough in the general population, heh. But again, it goes back to people putting their money where their mouth is. If you keep buying the shit they're shoveling, there is no incentive to stop shoveling shit.

I could say the same about the need to grimdark every fucking tv show, but I digress.


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Reply #3824 on: October 18, 2017, 10:35:08 AM

When bioware announced day-1 dlc for Mass Effect 3 I decided not to buy it and the last EA game I got was Swtor. When I heard shadow of war would have an ingame cash shop I told myself not to touch the game. I generally stay away from f2p games. I haven't bough an early access game yet, its rare for me to pre-order games and I haven't bought a season pass on a game before I had played the base game.

I mostly play AA and other indie games.

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Reply #3825 on: October 18, 2017, 11:18:32 AM

Did they add RMT lootboxes to Destiny 1? I do not remember anything besides the actual DLC packs that you could/had to pay for at launch.

It was added toward the end.  I believe when the prison was added.

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Reply #3826 on: October 18, 2017, 11:34:10 AM

Yes, Destiny 1 has loot boxes in missions sometimes. I've found a few, and I don't have any of the expansions.

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Reply #3827 on: October 18, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

I'm still pretty much in the same boat as I was then about RMT or whatever we call it now. I just ignore it, and if a game's fun depends on it, I don't play it.

That's pretty much where I'm at too.  RMT remains a hugely viable moneymaker because there are a lot of people who aren't as principled and levelheaded as we are, but I'm not gonna waste too much energy tilting at that windmill.  Let 'em fleece the suckers.

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Reply #3828 on: October 18, 2017, 07:33:31 PM

RMT remains a hugely viable moneymaker because there are a lot of people who aren't as principled and levelheaded as we are, but I'm not gonna waste too much energy tilting at that windmill.  Let 'em fleece the suckers.
Exactly.  I finished Candy Crush every week for over 2 years without paying a penny to them.  Got my money's worth out of the fun I had with it when I was bored and had nothing else to do (aka $0.00).
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Reply #3829 on: October 19, 2017, 02:36:11 PM

Yes, Destiny 1 has loot boxes in missions sometimes. I've found a few, and I don't have any of the expansions.

This may be different than what was asked.  There are things that look like boxes in the game world that you can get shit from.  I think the question was if you could pay real money to get loot, and that is true.

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Reply #3830 on: October 19, 2017, 02:38:54 PM

I'm not really concerned how other people spend their money.  Pay $500 per month for Candy Crush or HEX, or MtG cards, I don't care.  Why would I?  So far, I can still find new enjoyable games to play.  When I can't, I will just go back and finish my PS2 backlog.

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Reply #3831 on: October 19, 2017, 02:43:23 PM

Looks like we may be getting a REAL sequel to Star Control 2, after all! link to press release-like-thing



I wonder if Toys for Bob will do a kickstarter or just use their truckloads of Skylanders cash to do this thing. In any case, Juffo-Wup fills in my fibers and I grow turgid.
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Reply #3832 on: October 19, 2017, 02:53:21 PM

Yes, Destiny 1 has loot boxes in missions sometimes. I've found a few, and I don't have any of the expansions.

This may be different than what was asked.  There are things that look like boxes in the game world that you can get shit from.  I think the question was if you could pay real money to get loot, and that is true.
Yegolev has it right. Is the loot you can pay real money to get random? Because that's my definition of a loot box: something that costs real money and gives random rewards.

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Reply #3833 on: October 20, 2017, 08:26:34 AM

Dlc or rmt or whatever doesn't bother me. It's not like I walk into a store and say I have to buy everything.
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Reply #3834 on: October 20, 2017, 10:42:01 AM

Games with microtransactions is the electric store with the annoying teenager where the boss said that he should try getting customers to buy additional things. The end result is that i go to a non-shitty store that helps me get what I want and not the shitty one that tries to convince me to buy everything else.

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Reply #3835 on: October 22, 2017, 12:04:03 AM

Gaming-adjacent at best, but formerly-relevant gaming forum NeoGAF is in the middle of an implosion right now.

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Reply #3836 on: October 22, 2017, 09:08:39 AM

Gaming-adjacent at best, but formerly-relevant gaming forum NeoGAF is in the middle of an implosion right now.

Go on
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Reply #3837 on: October 22, 2017, 10:44:56 AM

Another sexual assault (more like super-autistic misread and handling of his chances with a drunk friend, but it's super creepy regardless) allegation against Tyler Malka (site owner) surfaced a few days ago via a screencap from a private FB group.  Malka found out that a GAF user knew the accuser and was a potential source of the leaked FB group post where he was named and preemptively permabanned him apropos of nothing.

Now with no fucks to give, the user promptly went to the Bore and confirmed the accusation's legitimacy.  At some point it hits Twitter, and GAF goes full damage control, deleting users and posts about the topic and promising 'a statement is forthcoming'.

Shortly after that, all but one of the admins and the bulk of the active mods quit and/or are banned.  Rumor has it that they left because of Tyler's explanation of what happened, supposedly involving a love triangle and some sort of 'sex cult'.

Anyway, mods gone and a permanently offended userbase under the influence of the #metoo hashtag and its fallout means the users go HAM.  Forum collapsed under the strain of that and presumably a jillion rubberneckers wanting to see the tire fire in progress and eventually was taken down - it just 503s now.

Now it's hit mainstream media outlets.  Also, the sheer size of the group celebrating the whole thing on Twitter is pretty remarkable.
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Reply #3838 on: October 22, 2017, 11:37:47 AM

GAF could be a good gaming resource at times but was mostly a wretched hive of scum and villainy full of shitgoblins and edgelords. Itís no surprise that most people arenít really sad itís gone.
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Reply #3839 on: October 22, 2017, 11:52:57 AM

yea fuck gaf
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Reply #3840 on: October 22, 2017, 11:53:30 AM

also guys

i think were the oldest gaming forum under continuous not retarded management
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Reply #3841 on: October 22, 2017, 01:04:16 PM

Don't forget Stratics. Nobody here plays UO anymore but they're still out there hosting the UO community just like they always have. Or was there some takeover drama that I don't know about?
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Reply #3842 on: October 22, 2017, 02:05:32 PM

As far as gaming forums go NEOgaf was 1 of 2 I could say was staunchly progressive and liberal leaning. In certain ways it got annoying but it's still a way better experience then the average online interaction on other gaming related venues.

It still amazes me that during the 2016 election it gained enough relevance by becoming a top referrer to Hillary Clinton's website.

https://news.vice.com/article/racist-trolls-of-8chan-are-driving-traffic-to-donald-trumps-website


Tyler fucked up with how he handled this but there is no chance the site stays dead. There are too many sub communities built around the social environment no other forum or social media platform adequately provides for. The biggest problem is losing so many moderators at once and being forced to replacing them. If a lot of people refuse to volunteer their time moderating then this will be the factor that determines how much the website is diminished.

OP is assuming its somewhat of a design-goal of eve to make players happy.
this is however not the case.
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Reply #3843 on: October 22, 2017, 02:19:56 PM

My experience is more in line with Jeff's.  There were some good small sub-communities, but by and large, it was a shitshow.  Large parts of the place also went completely fucking insane in the run-up to the election and afterwards.

Someone was able to load and archive an image of the site from a CDN and confirmed that it's just him, an admin and the sysadmin now and that they're busy locking, banning and deleting.

It'll be back eventually, but it's definitely going to be a smaller site for the foreseeable future.
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Reply #3844 on: October 22, 2017, 10:23:38 PM

Don't forget Stratics. Nobody here plays UO anymore but they're still out there hosting the UO community just like they always have. Or was there some takeover drama that I don't know about?

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After several changes of ownership, and a loud outcry from the Ultima Online community, Bazaaro Community, Inc., decided to rededicate the Stratics Brand to the UO community.[5] Removing all content for other games, the Stratics site started undergoing fundamental changes to refocus upon what made the site so popular in the beginning - structured participation of a single, passionate gaming community dedicated to Ultima Online.

In December 2015, Bazaaro Community, Inc., placed Stratics up for sale. Following a successful crowd funding campaign,[6] the website was purchased by a team consisting of several volunteer staff members who have organized to form Gamer's Gambit, LLC. which acts as the principal owner of Stratics.com and associated properties of that domain.
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Reply #3845 on: October 22, 2017, 11:38:12 PM

I totally read that as Bazooko Community, Inc.  why so serious?

Gone Gold / Octopus Overlords maybe? OO itself is about the same age as f13, but I don't know if the Gone Gold management carried over or if it was more like a waterthread -> f13 transition. Other than that there's qt3 and rpgcodex, though I'm not sure if they meet your definition of non-retarded  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #3846 on: October 23, 2017, 12:38:39 AM

Q23 is really the broken forum now and q23 itself is basically sentient down syndrome. Looks like Tom pulls in $1500 a month from his Patreon. Thats nice. Is likely to provide more entertainment than Star Citizen.

It looks like we predate OO by about 8 months (october 2004 is the oldest member date there I can find).

Technically speaking Joe is still with us, speaking of wto to f13. In fact he works three blocks from where I live and lives about five miles away. Oddly this is purely coincidence.

Rpg codex is uh

Well its something

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Reply #3847 on: October 23, 2017, 05:20:08 PM

Help me out. Get off my lawn! I was aware of Lum The Mad though I didn't hang out there because I was in the MMORPG Honeymoon phase for a long time and had no interest in rantings. But that seemed to be the starting point of a small series of MMO-oriented forums which I mostly-lurked through, with many of the same cast of characters moving from one to the next to theorycraft/bitch, and Waterthread being the last in the series. I feel sure there were at least two earlier incarnations in different hands, though, but I have forgotten the site names and I haven't seen people here referring to any other than Waterthread. Any clue what I might be remembering?
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Reply #3848 on: October 23, 2017, 05:27:01 PM

Slow News Day, and Corp News, I believe.

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Reply #3849 on: October 23, 2017, 05:57:25 PM

Slow News Day, and Corp News, I believe.

P2P.

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