Civilization V- Might actually be good now. Stay tuned.

[Ingmar]

Read it as, "without withdraw, attacks still always resulted in a kill."

[Bunk]

As long as they don't include withdrawing catapults, I'm fine with that. Having seige weapons constantly attacking in the stack of doom for collateral damage but never dying was total cheese.

One unit per tile, as far as I can tell.  So unless they give catapults an AoE or something weird like that, they'll probably just be units that get a bonus to attack cities or ignore walls or something.  And no more hiding your catapult under a stack of 20 archers, either.

Really, I'm actually starting to feel cautiously optimistic about this game now.

That was my whole dillemna in that loss to Shaka. He was sending stacks of horse archers and axe men against my macemen, archers and musketeers. I should have held him off fine, but each of his stacks had 5 catapults at the bottom, which would kamikazi me all at once, using the colateral damage to drop the deffense on all my troops at once.

[Merusk]

Maybe thats only Fall From Heaven and not Vanilla Civ, but Withdrawing could give you two units with reduces HPs and no dead unit. All in all this sounds like Firaxis took some clues from the Mod, which isn't the worst thing to do. XP points and unit upgrades and transforms are realized in Fall From Heaven as well.

XP points and unit transforms were in Vanilla Civ4 as well. Xp is how you gain promotions and is tracked in the same manner as FFH, granted via combat victory, civics or special buildings.  Unit transforms are known as upgrades in Vanilla and are available when you got a new tech. This mechanic has been in since Civ2.

Units in Civ4 DO have hit points as outlined above. Withdraw is a vanilla Civ promotion for all cavalry and ships, most folks just don't take it.  IIRC Civ 2 had hit points of this type but they took it out because folks complained the combat didn't feel like Civs anymore. 

[Rendakor]

Yea, that's what I said.

Civ 4 had HP too, but they were generally only used to weaken the survivor; attacks still always resulted in a kill without Withdraw.

Errr...?

I'll rephrase as Ingmar suggested.

Without the Withdraw promotion, attacks always resulted in a kill.

[Megrim]

As long as they don't include withdrawing catapults, I'm fine with that. Having seige weapons constantly attacking in the stack of doom for collateral damage but never dying was total cheese.

One unit per tile, as far as I can tell.  So unless they give catapults an AoE or something weird like that, they'll probably just be units that get a bonus to attack cities or ignore walls or something.  And no more hiding your catapult under a stack of 20 archers, either.

Really, I'm actually starting to feel cautiously optimistic about this game now.

That was my whole dillemna in that loss to Shaka. He was sending stacks of horse archers and axe men against my macemen, archers and musketeers. I should have held him off fine, but each of his stacks had 5 catapults at the bottom, which would kamikazi me all at once, using the colateral damage to drop the deffense on all my troops at once.

It's a common tactic - given that it's pretty much the only way of dealing with stacks'o'doom throughout most of the game. Otherwise anyone who got the early edge in unit production would be unbeatable. As a counter, you could have tried spreading your stacks out, so that he can only divebomb a few at a time.

[Musashi]

Or make sure you have some trebs and siege the shit out of him first.

[Malakili]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ITXPfHltRg

New CivAnon Ad - worth the 1 minute watch for the comedy value.

[lac]

Yeah, everything is great on drugs.

[dusematic]

So, it's become glaringly obvious that all the people who have a problem with the "problem" of early game units killing late game units are just really bad at video games.  Civ 4 has its share of problems (shitty engine, botched multiplayer, busy interface).  Maybe the biggest problem it has are the dummies who don't know what they're doing fucking up on the easiest difficulty settings and then polluting the internet with their nonsense.

Christ, it's just math.  There isn't even any room for argument.

[Malakili]

So, it's become glaringly obvious that all the people who have a problem with the "problem" of early game units killing late game units are just really bad at video games.  Civ 4 has its share of problems (shitty engine, botched multiplayer, busy interface).  Maybe the biggest problem it has are the dummies who don't know what they're doing fucking up on the easiest difficulty settings and then polluting the internet with their nonsense.

Christ, it's just math.  There isn't even any room for argument.

So its become glaringly obvious that you like to troll internet forums.

[Reg]

What's worse? Trolls? Or people that go on and on and on about games they don't have any intention of playing?  Or are they the same thing?

[Malakili]

What's worse? Trolls? Or people that go on and on and on about games they don't have any intention of playing?  Or are they the same thing?

Also, I'm almost certainly going to be buying this game.

[dusematic]

Not to sound horrible, but if this is happening to you you're not playing the game right.

Yeah, I'm probably definitely not playing the game right, I don't take Civ very seriously, which is probably due to the fact that I was young when I played the original and I've never broken out of the mentality that I approached the game with then, which was just generally "build whatever I feel like whenever I feel like".  I actually prefer to avoid combat all together though when possible because I find the mechanics to be pretty crap (not just the tech thing).  I'd much prefer to turtle up and win some sort of culture victory since if I want engaging combat I have 100 other games I can think of off the top of my head that are better.

You admitted you don't know what the fuck you're talking about yet you still felt the need to keep spewing your diarrhea.  You're horrifically bad at the game.  Everything you've said confirms it, and you play at difficulty settings so low, that you end up out-teching your crippled AI opponent to the extent that you are assembling modern weaponry against medieval arms.  Then you still manage to fuck it up and lose units.  It's not the game's fault.  It's your fault.  And all the numbnuts that agree with you are just as bad and just as misinformed.  Likely due to them talking out of their assholes because they haven't REALLY played a Civ game in nine years.  

I mean seriously, what the fuck?  This shit is so dumb it's not even about denigrating the game it's just about people being colossally retarded on myriad levels.

[Malakili]

I mean seriously, what the fuck?  This shit is so dumb it's not even about denigrating the game it's just about people being colossally retarded on myriad levels.

Oh hi there, I like cake, do you like cake as well?  I hear it comes in a variety of flavors and is very tasty.

P.S - Get over yourself.

[Sky]

You stay classy, Duse.

[WayAbvPar]

OK, let's all STFU and talk about Civ V, shall we?

[Soulflame]

Day 1 purchase!  I'm interested to see how hexagons, resource dependencies, and no unit stacking mix together in a Civ game.

[LK]

It would be great if this game came out a week before FFXIV...

[Sky]

I really don't want to buy it but probably will.

[Malakili]

I really don't want to buy it but probably will.

This describes almost every game I buy

[JWIV]

I'm such a whore for miniatures.  Busted out a few gift cards I had for Ebgames and got the CE for this.

[WayAbvPar]

I am going to die broke and sleepless by the first week of October. NHL 11 (had about 100 hours played of 10, and about double that with 9), Civ V, and FIFA 11 (hundreds of hours played in 10) all come out during September. I need to find a way I can afford to retire no later than September 28th.

[Bunk]

I'm really hoping I win some free games at PAX or something, as I likely won't have any money when I get back to buy games with :(

[WayAbvPar]

I am assuming you are also buying NHL 11, as is your birthright? 

[Tannhauser]

Day 1 purchase, though I'm a bit worried about all of the changes.  Hexes!

[Samwise]

you still felt the need to keep spewing your diarrhea.

[dusematic]

I'm allergic to people who say a bunch of really stupid shit that's wrong on every level.  So sorry.

[Malakili]

I'm allergic to people who say a bunch of really stupid shit that's wrong on every level.  So sorry.

Whats it like to be autoallergic?

[Megrim]

"And then another one, just like it."

"What kind of cat? Was it the same cat?"

[Malakili]

I think dusematic's avatar actually pisses me off more than what he writes, I imagine Tom Cruise saying everything he posts, and it makes me rage a little.

[dusematic]

I can understand how it would be hard taking criticism from one of the greatest living actors of our time.

[LK]

At least I can understand the trolling. The talk of game mechanics left me a little  .

[Tebonas]

Obvious Troll is obvious. One can think people are stupid for playing Civilization differently than oneself. But thinking Cruise is anything but a Shitstain on reality? No sane person does that and means it. Nice try.

[dusematic]

Right on.  I'm gonna make a thread about Starcraft 2 detailing my predilection for building nothing but vultures on the casual difficulty setting.  I'll be confused why that doesn't work.  IF anyone DARES hassle me, then I'll just explain that I'm probably playing wrong, but that it's ok since I played the original when I was really young and the vulture strategy always worked for me then.  Besides, I'll say, I'm really not that serious about the game anyway.  

Then I'll get pissed when one of my vultures dies to some zerglings while I decimate the AI base.  Then I'll write 750 words about it on the internet and how it's really ghey.  



Then I'll go watch Jerry Maguire by myself alone in the dark and laugh at all the right parts.

[Tebonas]

I'm still not sure if you really like Tom Cruise. Thats the real question and possible tragedy here.

We can't discuss Civilization 5 in detail before it comes out anyway.