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Reply #805 on: August 18, 2011, 11:15:15 AM

I can't argue with that.

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Reply #806 on: August 18, 2011, 11:33:58 AM

It's not that money is or isn't an object; it's that buying it already done like that defeats the purpose of doing it myself.  Plus you'd have to buy the pump and resevoir and everything else putting it at or near 1,000 bucks.
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Reply #807 on: August 18, 2011, 01:16:20 PM

I can't argue with that.

Plus I'd expect the GTX 6xx cards due out sometime first half of next year to totally obsolesce the 5xx series.  If the air cooled GTX 590 were in the mid 300-400 range, I'd consider it.  I'd just sell my GTX 460 1GB cards.
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Reply #808 on: August 18, 2011, 01:23:03 PM


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Reply #809 on: August 18, 2011, 01:27:53 PM


Three, actually.  I'm still waiting for my three-slot GTX570 to arrive. 

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Reply #810 on: August 18, 2011, 01:53:32 PM


Looks like the extra slot is made up of copper cooling pipes and such.  I imagine that the cooling solution that Sky posted up there takes up about the same amount of room, just without the fancy plastic cover that this one has.
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Reply #811 on: August 18, 2011, 02:54:52 PM

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No, but the system would be way more vulnerable to damage while in-transit, and if something breaks I won't be able to just drive to Best Buy or something to buy a replacement.

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Reply #812 on: August 20, 2011, 03:39:39 PM

So I'm finally looking at having some time to actually play games again and have finally gotten sick of my 3600's tendency to crap out out on me. I'll get a display driver crashed error after everything freezes for 10 seconds or so and my screen reboots. This will even very occasionally happen just in windows but a recent attempt to play R:TW found it happening roughly every 5 seconds on the Campaign map. It has persisted through every driver update I've tried, although it will stop crashing sometimes for no apparent reason. I bought it cause it was on offer and was skimping on the system, it's lasted a year and I'd like to replace it with something that will let me play with a few bells and whistles but no real serious need for power. I've got a 1080 monitor and a lot of the games I'm playing are a year or so old but I'd like to be able to play Skyrim at a decent framerate (assuming that the rest of my PC can handle it) as an example. I've got an i7 920 on an ASUS P6T motherboard and generally a woeful lack of knowledge on hardware beyond knowing some the relevant manufacturer names and having heard of some of the latest cards. Budget wise I'd like to keep it under £200 but feel free to suggest stuff that will work well with what I've got, hell feel free to just tell me what are decent cards out now and I'll go do all the compatibility checking myself. It's just I go to on-line shops and am confronted with page upon page of cards for different prices that have similar words and numbers with pretty pictures and none of it makes any fucking sense.

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Reply #813 on: August 20, 2011, 09:55:39 PM

For under £200 I'd say either GTX560 or Radeon 6870. They should both be available for around £130-150.

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Reply #814 on: August 21, 2011, 01:26:48 AM

That sounds way more simple than my slightly ranting post expected. Is there any real difference between then two? Also is there realistically any difference between card manufacturers?

Edit: Probably more importantly, if I'm running a single monitor would it be worth looking at a 2gb model over the 1gb? Or will that give me a very negligible performance boost for a noticeable amount of cash?
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Reply #815 on: August 21, 2011, 12:19:28 PM

I read on Anand that the difference between 2 and 1 gb in memory is negligible at this stage.

With regards to the 5000 series of ATI cards, I have to warn ya, I have one, and I have a flickering issue (just type 'ATI 5870 flickering' in google) when using dual monitors (has to do with dropping core and memory clock speeds to super low idle rates when switching between performance states).

It took me forever to fix, after much googling and trying various solutions.

Other than that, its a good card, but honestly, this was such clownshoes, and so easy for ATI to fix, that I think that Nvidia is probably the way to go.

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Reply #816 on: August 21, 2011, 12:54:05 PM

Yeah ATI cards really seem to be beset with stupid driver problems. On the other hand I've found a 6870 for £135, which seems to be a decent amount cheaper than anything similar. Enough that I feel it'd be worth dropping an extra 2GB RAM chip into the motherboard as well. Seems like this might offer me the best overall performance boost for the price, I just really hope I don't discover the same problem with the ATI card if I go for it.

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Reply #817 on: August 21, 2011, 03:16:19 PM

Decided to finally get around to bumping up my creaky old e6600. Unfortunately, a couple years ago I replaced a bad stick of my ddr2-1000 with ddr2-800, so my RAM was a bit limiting on the fun.

Went from straight stock 2.4GHz to 3.0 without breaking a sweat, but can't get anything else out of it because the ram is being bitchy and the stupid C2D capped multiplier (capped at x9, x11 would be nice). Forget the exact setting I had to use with the ram, bumped down two technology notches in the list (technically running at 834MHz, iirc) and timing went from the stock 4-4-4-12 to 5-5-5-15.

PCMarks went from 1889 to 2143 (with the ram auto-timed to 5-6-6-18, I fixed that after running the test) and 3DMarks went from P2837 to P3007, with the physics/combined scores going from 1935/1849 to 2288/2173.

So a nice little bump to tide me over to sandier bridges.
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Reply #818 on: August 21, 2011, 03:25:47 PM

Or perhaps Ivy-er Bridges. Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #819 on: August 21, 2011, 03:53:12 PM

I am going to have to manage on my e8400 Wolfdale till I start getting back into the black. Means I'll have to bump the memory up a bit and get rid of this tired 8800GT and pray a lot but the chip is still running solid OC'd @ 3.4gHz on the stock sink. Memory is easy enough to take care of, but I am going to have to read a few pages about Vid cards...

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Reply #820 on: August 21, 2011, 10:14:54 PM

Yeah ATI cards really seem to be beset with stupid driver problems. On the other hand I've found a 6870 for £135, which seems to be a decent amount cheaper than anything similar. Enough that I feel it'd be worth dropping an extra 2GB RAM chip into the motherboard as well. Seems like this might offer me the best overall performance boost for the price, I just really hope I don't discover the same problem with the ATI card if I go for it.

I really have nothing useful to offer on the ATI vs nVidia debate. I've stuck doggedly with nVidia for 10 years after having no end of trouble with an ATI card once, which I know is just prejudice, but there ya go. For a long time now ATI seem to have been edging out nVidia on the price:performance scale in the mid-range, but I have also heard a lot of people talk about driver problems.

At the end of the day the performance difference between cards of the same tier is minimal. Tom's Hardware regularly (every couple of months) runs a "best graphics card for the money" article that has a hierarchy chart of graphics cards. My advice is to decide your price point and then look at cards within 1 tier either side of that and look for the things that are important to you - noise, dual outputs, number of slots required, etc.

Personally I won't touch ATIs with a barge-pole, but like I said, I know that's just stupid prejudice.

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Reply #821 on: August 21, 2011, 10:32:22 PM

I tend to fall on the nvidia side, but I try to re-evaluate with every upgrade. The 8800GTX was a beast, and the GTX460 is a great mid-range card. But then, nvidia also has me locked in with 3D Vision.

My last ATI was a 9800Pro, which was amazing for its time.
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Reply #822 on: August 22, 2011, 05:49:29 PM

Well, the parts from Newegg arrived finally:


Core i5-2500K
ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 - great board, but the heatsinks around the socket are a pain in the ass
8GB Corsair Vengeance - finally, Corsair makes nice modules with low-profile heat spreaders
ASUS GTX570 - This thing is heavy as hell and while I was somewhat worried about the sagging visible in the pic, I don't plan to tote this PC around anywhere, so it hopefully isn't too much of an issue
Corsair Nova2 60GB SSD + Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
NZXT Hale90 750W
NZXT Phantom - good lord this case is huge
CM Hyper 212 - the motherboard's heatsinks were just too big for me to fit my original choice  Heartbreak

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Reply #823 on: August 22, 2011, 07:20:07 PM

That looks very sweet, and the cable management hand-wringers of F13 will surely approve :)

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Reply #824 on: August 22, 2011, 07:29:38 PM

 Heart the case. Is that powder coated inside? Really slick looking and huuuge. It might even fit that honking cooler I have on the 460.

Looks like you'd still have room for the taller heat spreaders with the hyper212 on that mobo, wonder if that's reference spacing.
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Reply #825 on: August 22, 2011, 07:42:38 PM

Heart the case. Is that powder coated inside? Really slick looking and huuuge. It might even fit that honking cooler I have on the 460.

Looks like you'd still have room for the taller heat spreaders with the hyper212 on that mobo, wonder if that's reference spacing.

It's gloss paint - the same stuff they use on everything but the plastic front fascia - and has a nice hard durable finish.  I'm pretty sure that the Accelero wouldn't be an issue at all - there's probably well over a foot of room between the expansion slot backplane and the back side of the HDD cage (for reference, the fans on top are 200mm NZXT units).

I'd originally intended to use the Cooler Master V6GT (which would have hung over the RAM slots) as I did in my i5-760 box, but it's heatpipes interfered with the bulky heatsinks above the CPU socket.  Fortunately, I had a Hyper 212 sitting here, which I'd planned to use on my brother's upcoming PC build.  Looks like he just got a free CPU cooler upgrade.   Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #826 on: August 23, 2011, 03:29:10 AM

I've built my own PCs for the last 15 years, because it was always so much more worthwhile than what you could buy. Time came for a new build, I thought about an i7 rig with 8Gb RAM and up-to-date graphics. Then I looked around at the insanely low prices of prebuilt notebook PCs with similar specs and thought hell no, I'm getting an i7 sandy bridge notebook for A$800, putting a $200 SSD in it and using it as my desktop.

Works great for anything I can currently throw at it. It's got Radeon HD 6770 2Gb, fingerprint security, HDMI out and USB 3.0 to which I've connected my old SATA desktop drives in an A$80 dock. It's compact, portable if need be, has a UPS otherwise known as a battery, and my desktop monitor doubles as a USB hub. I've already got a netbook for knockabout tasks around the house.

Screw building me a desktop PC in the current market.
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Reply #827 on: August 23, 2011, 03:45:29 AM

But then you don't get the fun of random components not working or trying to fight your way round seemingly random, unlabelled wires and pins slotting into different places. Surely that alone is worth a little extra cost? awesome, for real

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Reply #828 on: August 23, 2011, 06:19:15 AM

But then you don't get the fun of random components not working or trying to fight your way round seemingly random, unlabelled wires and pins slotting into different places. Surely that alone is worth a little extra cost? awesome, for real

Exactly!  You're missing out on the fun!  :)  Kidding aside, I know that there are more convenient options, but I love putting these things together and tinkering, even (especially?) when it starts getting a bit more involved - it's like really expensive LEGO.

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Reply #829 on: August 26, 2011, 12:55:45 PM

Can we sticky this thread?  It's very useful.  I keep coming back to it for build stories like Noisy's and other recommendations.
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Reply #830 on: August 27, 2011, 02:22:49 AM

Since the partition I'm running Windows on (70GB) is looking worryingly full and the drive itself is getting on a bit in age, I'm looking at replacing it with something to boost my system performance a tad. SSDs seem to have a 'reasonable' pricing up to the 80-90GB mark, which would be perfect for an OS drive at the moment but I'm slightly worried about whether that would be enough space if MS releases a massive new service pack for W7. Or, while it seems like XP to be one of those OSes I'll be sticking with for quite a few years, if they bring out a new one that needs more space will that SSD be able to do the job? Not wanting to spend a twice as much for 50% more space I think that's a concern.

The other option is getting a hybrid drive that uses a small SSD as a buffer, which is much cheaper but I haven't really seen any strong opinions on. Are they really significantly better than regular drives and would they make a worthwhile new drive for sticking an OS on?

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Reply #831 on: August 27, 2011, 03:04:59 AM

My Win7 folder is actually only 18Gb - it's the user directories and Program Files that seems to take a lot of space. You can probably shift a lot of that stuff off of the primary drive if you run out of space.

SSDs seem to be in a major state of flux atm. I'm guessing that price per Gb will drop considerably over the next year or so, so it's probably not worth spending a fortune on them now, just get the minimum size you need maybe?

Edit: Tom's Hardware just put up a "Best SSDs for the money" article that may be helpful.
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Reply #832 on: August 27, 2011, 03:22:58 AM

Really? I've got a few programs I know I installed there but not that many. I'll need to check and seriously prune back that partition. My inclination at the moment, if hybrid drives are good bang for the buck, would be to get a 500gb one and use it with an OS partition for everything and then move the OS to an SSD at some later date, keeping that drive for running programs on. I'm just not sure what sort of features I should be looking for with those drives or whether they're actually worth the money over regular HDDs.

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Reply #833 on: August 29, 2011, 02:25:13 PM

Since the partition I'm running Windows on (70GB) is looking worryingly full and the drive itself is getting on a bit in age, I'm looking at replacing it with something to boost my system performance a tad. SSDs seem to have a 'reasonable' pricing up to the 80-90GB mark, which would be perfect for an OS drive at the moment but I'm slightly worried about whether that would be enough space if MS releases a massive new service pack for W7. Or, while it seems like XP to be one of those OSes I'll be sticking with for quite a few years, if they bring out a new one that needs more space will that SSD be able to do the job? Not wanting to spend a twice as much for 50% more space I think that's a concern.

The other option is getting a hybrid drive that uses a small SSD as a buffer, which is much cheaper but I haven't really seen any strong opinions on. Are they really significantly better than regular drives and would they make a worthwhile new drive for sticking an OS on?

My most recent build uses a 60GB SSD as the OS/primary application (browsers, etc) drive and a 1TB Samsung as the 'everything else' drive.  As long as you remember to remap all your 'documents'/media folders to the secondary conventional drive and make sure that new installs go there, you'll be good (and don't forget to install Steam to the big conventional drive too!)  

SSD as boot drive is pretty slick - even my budget SATA2 Corsair SSD boots so fast that Windows is at login before the windows splash animation is half-done.

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Reply #834 on: August 29, 2011, 09:47:28 PM

Well, the parts from Newegg arrived finally:


Core i5-2500K
ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 - great board, but the heatsinks around the socket are a pain in the ass
8GB Corsair Vengeance - finally, Corsair makes nice modules with low-profile heat spreaders
ASUS GTX570 - This thing is heavy as hell and while I was somewhat worried about the sagging visible in the pic, I don't plan to tote this PC around anywhere, so it hopefully isn't too much of an issue
Corsair Nova2 60GB SSD + Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
NZXT Hale90 750W
NZXT Phantom - good lord this case is huge
CM Hyper 212 - the motherboard's heatsinks were just too big for me to fit my original choice  Heartbreak

Aside from your CPU heatsink, did you have to buy any after market fans for your NZXT phantom? I remember my last coolermaster came with a lot of air vents but no actual fans.
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Reply #835 on: August 29, 2011, 10:58:07 PM

Anyone have a favorite KVM solution?  Something that won't hang on resolution changes?  Or degrade the experience on your preferred machine?  thanks.
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Reply #836 on: August 30, 2011, 12:18:04 AM

Anyone have a favorite KVM solution?  Something that won't hang on resolution changes?  Or degrade the experience on your preferred machine?  thanks.
I have this one for my DVI input/output: http://www.iogear.com/product/GCS1104/

I have 2 PCs and 2 Macs hooked up to it.


And I have this one for my HDMI input/output: http://www.iogear.com/product/GCS1794/

This one I have a PC, a Mac and my PS3 hooked up to it.

Both are outputting to 1080p displays. The DVI one has been rock-solid -- I've had that one for a while. The HDMI one is pretty new and is a bit glitchy on the keyboard on my Mac -- occasionally a key will get stuck and repeat for some reason. Hitting any key will stop it. Doesn't seem to be happening on the PC.

On both I have my mice hooked up through the extra USB port(s) rather than the dedicated mouse USB port since my mice have extra functions that get messed up through the normal mouse port.

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Reply #837 on: August 30, 2011, 01:59:16 AM

Aside from your CPU heatsink, did you have to buy any after market fans for your NZXT phantom? I remember my last coolermaster came with a lot of air vents but no actual fans.

I added a 140mm Lian-Li fan from my previous case as intake to the front panel and ordered another NZXT 200mm fan for the top - the case comes with three 120mm fans (1 exhaust and two flowing air through the HDD cages from the left door) and 1 200mm fan in the top rear position.  I don't know if the extra fans are actually necessary, to be honest.  

The case has an additional mounting point on the left door for another 200mm fan parked right on top of the motherboard, but installing it will interfere with large CPU coolers.

If you have the room for it and like the styling, the Phantom is a really nice case to build in with a fair amount of bells and whistles.
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Reply #838 on: August 30, 2011, 03:47:03 AM

My most recent build uses a 60GB SSD as the OS/primary application (browsers, etc) drive and a 1TB Samsung as the 'everything else' drive.  As long as you remember to remap all your 'documents'/media folders to the secondary conventional drive and make sure that new installs go there, you'll be good (and don't forget to install Steam to the big conventional drive too!)  

SSD as boot drive is pretty slick - even my budget SATA2 Corsair SSD boots so fast that Windows is at login before the windows splash animation is half-done.

Yeah on further examination my W7 folder is clocking in around 22GB and there's about 7GB from the pagefile and hiberfile.sys, moving the libraries to a different file freed up a bit more (although I've never really put anything into those, not sure what program was copying my music files into My Music). It could happily live on a 60GB drive with room for expansion but Crucial UK have been selling refurbed C300's for really low prices so I've just nabbed a 128GB for £90 that hopefully doesn't just nuke itself a day after warranty ends. I'll stick the OS and some of the larger programs (like Photoshop) onto that one. Firefox has been really slow to load from start up for quite a while now (as in launching after boot. Fucker takes longer than Steam and sometimes seems like Windows forgets I've tried to launch it). I'm curious to see if this improves that. I'm going to try and extend the D: partition on the original drive and just use that for games and other assorted programs as it could do with some more room too (I noticed the other day that my Steam folder was up to 150GB, really need to uninstall some of that stuff).

In case anyone else is wondering after examining hybrid drives it seems like most of them have a really small flash cache (4GB or so) that really precludes them being great for booting or launching programs. They're certainly far cheaper than SSDs right now but that's changing slowly and they lack a lot of the other nice features. Although you don't have to worry about the whole drive suddenly not being there anymore after a firmware hiccup.

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Reply #839 on: August 31, 2011, 03:37:49 AM

Aside from your CPU heatsink, did you have to buy any after market fans for your NZXT phantom? I remember my last coolermaster came with a lot of air vents but no actual fans.

I added a 140mm Lian-Li fan from my previous case as intake to the front panel and ordered another NZXT 200mm fan for the top - the case comes with three 120mm fans (1 exhaust and two flowing air through the HDD cages from the left door) and 1 200mm fan in the top rear position.  I don't know if the extra fans are actually necessary, to be honest.  

The case has an additional mounting point on the left door for another 200mm fan parked right on top of the motherboard, but installing it will interfere with large CPU coolers.

If you have the room for it and like the styling, the Phantom is a really nice case to build in with a fair amount of bells and whistles.

Great thanks. I was thinking of using it for my next build since it looks pretty awesome.
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