Cataclysm

[apocrypha]

She's a warrior. Maybe it was shield she said (or meant). I honestly can't remember since it was said *just* as she pulled and we were all kinda preoccupied with the ensuing wipe attempt. Either way, when we do get the kill if there's any preferential allocation of loot it'll cause a shitstorm and there Will Be Drama, so I hope that doesn't happen.

I'll let you know when we finally get the kill. Probably around September 

[Ingmar]

Nobody is likely to kick up a fuss over the shield, it is itemized slightly better than the other options for a protection warrior but 359 shields are quite easy to come by. (It does look a lot cooler.)

[Rokal]

75 wins for the mount? That's not too bad... still, I don't know more than 1-2 guildies that would have any interest in rated BGs. 20 wins might have been a low-enough hanging fruit for me to bother since the mount is nice, but I'll continue to just play League of Legends for now :p

[Merusk]

It's nearly 4 months if you follow the Arena model of 5 a week..  And it has to be wins, not just matches played. So yeah, fuck that.

[Rokal]

I think that 5 a week (or whatever it is) is just the maximum you can do each week for conquest points. I expect you could keep running Rated BGs for as long as you wanted, as long as you weren't expecting conquest points. If I were going to try for the mount, I'd probably try to get 10-20 wins a week.

[Paelos]

She's a warrior. Maybe it was shield she said (or meant). I honestly can't remember since it was said *just* as she pulled and we were all kinda preoccupied with the ensuing wipe attempt. Either way, when we do get the kill if there's any preferential allocation of loot it'll cause a shitstorm and there Will Be Drama, so I hope that doesn't happen.

I'll let you know when we finally get the kill. Probably around September 

It's definitely the shield. Speaking as a former warrior tank / RL the shields are ALWAYS the hardest thing to get your hands on and they seem to love to put them on the last fucking guy.

Still, I question why she'd be waiting on that shield you could buy an almost identical BoE and not deal with all the bullshit.

[Ingmar]

Blockade's is stupidly expensive, the crafted has hit instead of parry, and the other choice requires grinding archaeology - but yeah. Really minor difference, and the crafted is really easy to come by.

[Paelos]

Blockades is only like 10 grand or something. Come on! 

[Rokal]

I probably spent about... 35k on BoEs  for my rogue in Cata. I mean, I was getting the mats for Belt of Nefarious Whispers without even trying and then turning them around for 5-6k each, so I had plenty of gold coming in. And really, what else are you going to blow gold on? There hasn't been any luxury worth saving for since TBC when epic flying took a long time to save for.

I'd spend 10k on a shield upgrade without a second thought, but I'd probably hold off at this point considering how close 4.2 and new/easy loot is.

[Ingmar]

Raid level enchants on my server cost over 1k each, there is plenty to spend on. I'm certainly not going to drop over 10k on a shield that's a very slight upgrade from the crafted option.

[Rokal]

What raid level enchants are you seeing for over 1k? Landslide? If so, those enchants are actually pretty easy to make with ZG/ZA. I usually walk away from each run with 1-2 crystals, and the enchant only takes 6 iirc.

[Ingmar]

What raid level enchants are you seeing for over 1k? Landslide? If so, those enchants are actually pretty easy to make with ZG/ZA. I usually walk away from each run with 1-2 crystals, and the enchant only takes 6 iirc.

Every single enchant that uses maelstrom crystals is over 1k on Doomhammer/Alliance. The big strength enchant to bracers, the 65 crit to cloak, etc. etc. etc.

[Rokal]

Like I said, those enchants are pretty easy to get the mats for yourself, and then it's just a matter of finding someone with the recipe (hopefully a guild member). Even then, 1k would be very easy to make back if you did just end up buying them.

I maintain that there is still nothing worth saving up gold for in Cata

Except for BoEs 

[Merusk]

Not enough enchanters of high enough level running ZG/ZA probably.   It'll get better as folks get access to T11 gear via JP and can run those dungeons faster/ more reliably I'd think.

Of course MC are cheaper right now if by "Cheaper" you accept 500/ crystal instead of 900 'cheap.'


There is, indeed, no purpose to gold other than having it or saving it up for the next xp so you can buy up mats and level profs so you can... save it and buy up mats to level profs.

My Alliance chars had 25k just sitting there with nothing to do with it, and my Horde Pally's got 1500 sitting around by just doing daily bgs or dungeons for the last week now that I'm done profession leveling.

[Ingmar]

Depends on how much you value your time. 25 dailies is ~625 gold and probably takes a couple hours for an average character. We'll call it 2. So that 10k shield (I seem to recall seeing it for more like 15 but we'll go with 10 for the sake of simplicity) is 16 hours of dailies. I'm not going to spend 16 hours worth of money on a difference of like 60 parry vs. just reforging the crafted. That's not sensible unless you're a student or something. Even then it probably isn't sensible.

[Rokal]

Dailies are a terribly inefficient way to earn gold. Good professions and the AH, as always, are the easiest way to get gold.

I'd expect 10k to take me about 3-4 hours of gameplay to earn. Most of that would be combining mats between characters, AH stuff, and maybe some light farming. For example, one of the easier ways to earn gold on my server is to prospect ore, cut/sell the rares you get, and then have an alchemist turn the green gems into good rares. Bad gems just get vendored. It's pretty easy to make a few hundred gold for about 10 minutes of work with this method, and it's not one that requires access to heroics or raids.

[Ingmar]

Indeed, I made 10k in unspent opportunity cost by crafting myself a nearly-comparable shield. 

[Rendakor]

Of course MC are cheaper right now if by "Cheaper" you accept 500/ crystal instead of 900 'cheap.'

Ouch. On Andorhal, Maelstrom Crystals are in the 100-200g range.

[SurfD]

75 wins for the mount? That's not too bad... still, I don't know more than 1-2 guildies that would have any interest in rated BGs. 20 wins might have been a low-enough hanging fruit for me to bother since the mount is nice, but I'll continue to just play League of Legends for now :p

One of the neat things which they mentioned, is that you get your FIRST mount at 75 (i think), then every milestone achieve after that (150, 225 wins i think) you get ANOTHER mount, which are Bind on Account, so if you are a hardcore Rated BGer you can deck your alts out with the things also.

[Merusk]

Further PVP bitching... I'm now at 73 wins for 191 battlegrounds on my horde char.  This is not fun.

[apocrypha]

Looking at the loot table for Nef then whatever it was she said she wanted makes no sense really. If it was the trinket she's insane, if it was the shield then there was no need to say it cos nobody else would want it anyway. The only things that she could possible want to "reserve" would be shoulders or token. She does speak incredibly quietly (despite everyone having her on +800% boost in Vent) with a strong Scandinavian accent so who knows, she might have actually said what a lovely day it was in Sweden.

Completely agree about the uselessness of gold now. I've somehow managed to end up with over 150k spread between my alts. I now have a max-skilled crafter of every profession which saves a lot of money. Any crafting mats that get picked up on any character are useful so it makes gemming, enchanting and BiS crafted items effectively free most of the time. If you do need to grind some gold then I find gathering the easiest way. Just farming whiptail in Uldum will get you ~2k/hour depending on prices on your server and how close you are to the Darkmoon Faire week :)

[Rendakor]

Mmo-champion has been down for a day or so, and I'm not venturing into the official forums. Are there any other dev trackers/news sites out there that don't suck?

[caladein]

http://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?

I just use it for US RSS feed though, but it seems broadly similar to MMO-C's layout.

[Jimbo]

I just finally got a character to level 85 after playing from launch (yeah call me a slacker), how they hell do you all have so much gold?  I still haven't gotten enough for the fast mount.  I was frustrated with Cata at the beginning because I couldn't do any of the random dungeons when I hit level 81 (gear got me), so I just did the content and leveled to 85 and finally got enough gear to go back to LFD.  I am pretty happy with my mage, Ice is awesome for PvP and solo questing, and Arcane is great for dungeons.  I am behind the curve on pvp gear, damn gonna be 2 grinds, one to get pve gear and one for pvp.

I am still having fun, part because I do it so casually, from pick up groups for dungeons, battlegrounds, questing, or looking for materials for enchanting and tailoring.  I have thought about farming some of the lower dungeons for cloths and auctioning them along with the disenchants items, might be worth it.  Archeology is pretty fun, but long distances to travel around to level up.

[Rendakor]

Making money is easy as a chanter; buy mats (ideally from people spamming, as they're generally cheaper) and sell scrolls on the AH. If you want to do this seriously you probably need a couple addons; I suggest Auctionator and Tradeskill Master. Now is a great time to be an enchanter since everyone is getting upgrades.

As for tailoring you've got spellthreads and bags which both sell decently well. One thing to remember is never forget previous tier stuff (this goes for chanting too); I've made a fortune buying netherweave cloth at 5g/stack then selling the bags for 30g or more.

[Setanta]

Quest all the Cata content you haven't done and then do every daily per day. Sell raw mats on the AH etc. I have 6 chars at 85 all with the 310% flying, plus 2 phoenix , 2 scorpions and 2 mechanohogs and  I STILL have 4K gold in the bank.

Then again, I started off toughing it out with one char but the combined professions mean I keep making cash.

If anything, enchanting and blacksmithing are my biggest cash-cows followed by Leatherworking and tailoring (latter is meh) and engineering a poor last (useless other than personal benefits for that char).

I have 3 miners and 2 skinners amongst that combo though and floggin off the raw mats is an "ok" income. My 3 herbers are only mid 70s so are useless.

When I only had one 85 the dailies saw me with sizable income though and that's what I'd recommend to you.

The best moneymaker I have was definitely enchanting - I made 3K profit leveling it 490-525.

[Jimbo]

Money is coming in now& I'm getting gear from BG's& doing better in them (ya for not being a speedbump).  As a mage using acane would I be that much worrse than my quest gear (which has less stats&item numbers) for dungeons?  I was doing great in looking for dungeons but are people picky on what they are geared with?

[Ingmar]

Money is coming in now& I'm getting gear from BG's& doing better in them (ya for not being a speedbump).  As a mage using acane would I be that much worrse than my quest gear (which has less stats&item numbers) for dungeons?  I was doing great in looking for dungeons but are people picky on what they are geared with?

You'll have a lot of mana problems in PVP gear if your mage is anything like mine. You should keep 2 sets, but the PVP gear is so high ilvl now that it should be enough to at least get you started in the normal heroics.

[Pantastic]

Look at the total stats on your gear, whatever gives you more useful stats is what you should use. If you're comparing 346 PVE gear and 353 PVP gear, the PVE gear is almost always better, but if you're looking down at 333 and lower PVE gear and not just using the cheap 339 PVP gear, then your PVP gear is probably better. People on the forums will complain about nonsense all the time, in groups no one's even going to look at your gear unless you're screwing up. Yesterday I found a mage wearing about 4 or 5 pieces of agility gear.

[Miasma]

DPS can get away with being PVP geared, especially in normals.  If you're wearing the newest honor point gear it is probably just fine for non troll heroics too.  Only healers and especially tanks should get yelled at for wearing PVP gear in dungeons really.

[Nevermore]

Yesterday I found a mage wearing about 4 or 5 pieces of agility gear.

How is that even possible?  There's no such thing as agility cloth.  Two rings, a neck and what?

[Paelos]

Probably cloak, trinkets, neck and rings.

[Ingmar]

Enchants!

[Sjofn]

DPS can get away with being PVP geared, especially in normals.  If you're wearing the newest honor point gear it is probably just fine for non troll heroics too.  Only healers and especially tanks should get yelled at for wearing PVP gear in dungeons really.

Healers in (the most recent) PvP gear could heal the normal heroics just fine, I am willing to bet. I'm positive my paladin could.

Tanks though, yeah, they need PvE gear.

[Pantastic]

How is that even possible?  There's no such thing as agility cloth.  Two rings, a neck and what?

Cloak, trinket, ring, and neck. I think he had two rings or two trinkets, but I don't remember exactly, hence the 4-5. It's amazing how people will come up with ways to gear badly that are so clever you have to think to figure out how they did it.