Modern Warfare 2, Prestige edition, -or- hey, blow your wad on this!

[Tarami]

I mean no offence guys, but comparing mediocre FPS-players (i.e. the general "us") playing semi-realistic shooters isn't a good way to illustrate the superiority in control of KB+M.

It's beautiful.

[Malakili]

I mean no offence guys, but comparing mediocre FPS-players (i.e. the general "us") playing semi-realistic shooters isn't a good way to illustrate the superiority in control of KB+M.

It's beautiful.

They've really never recaptured the magic of The Edge, even though overall I liked Q3A better than Q2.  I was pretty good in both, but of course never at this level.

[Tarami]

The Edge isn't The Edge without Q2's capability of weird strafe/circle/ledge/ramp/double-jumps. The double-jump Purri does at speed from the YA lift up to GL is just money.

[Big Gulp]

So they not only take a shit on the PC community, but they steal the custom made maps they created as well.

Is this some budget measure? "Hey guyz , let's focus all of our efforts on the criminally short single player campaign, half ass the multiplayer, and charge ten dollars more for the actual game... Oh, and let's not bother making any multiplayer maps; we'll just swipe some custom maps from the community we just shat on."

Are they just doing everything in their power to piss people off at this point?

I feel fairly secure in saying that Activision is behaving worse than EA ever did.  Oh, well.  I'll still be able to mock their next sorry-ass Tony Hawk game.

[Malakili]

The Edge isn't The Edge without Q2's capability of weird strafe/circle/ledge/ramp/double-jumps. The double-jump Purri does at speed from the YA lift up to GL is just money.

Yeah, I've always felt there has not been enough emphasis on these types of "advanced movement" in more recent FPS games.

[tgr]

I mean no offence guys, but comparing mediocre FPS-players (i.e. the general "us") playing semi-realistic shooters isn't a good way to illustrate the superiority in control of KB+M.

It's beautiful.

Compare that with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4P2xcMToFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwtMbTs72VI

Progress.

[jakonovski]

What is so good about millisecond twitch mouse control? I mean for those of us who are not adhd addled amphetamine addicts.

[tgr]

What is so good about millisecond twitch mouse control? I mean for those of us who are not adhd addled amphetamine addicts.

First of all, amphetamine is not required to enjoy "millisecond twitch mouse control". Secondly, I personally enjoy it because it feels more natural to be able to snap my aim and/or focus/POV anywhere I so choose, without having to wait for the extremely slow panning speed to catch up with my intention.

When was the last time you panned your head slowly towards something you wanted to inspect quickly?

Also, the solution to that, autoaim or make hitboxes bigger? yeah, take out skill from the equation, that's a great solution there. Also, autoaim never aims at the wrong guy, ever.

[jakonovski]

What is so good about millisecond twitch mouse control? I mean for those of us who are not adhd addled amphetamine addicts.

First of all, amphetamine is not required to enjoy "millisecond twitch mouse control". Secondly, I personally enjoy it because it feels more natural to be able to snap my aim and/or focus/POV anywhere I so choose, without having to wait for the extremely slow panning speed to catch up with my intention.

When was the last time you panned your head slowly towards something you wanted to inspect quickly?

Also, the solution to that, autoaim or make hitboxes bigger? yeah, take out skill from the equation, that's a great solution there. Also, autoaim never aims at the wrong guy, ever.

Goddammit, I knew I shouldn't have suggested taking skill out of the equation as a solution! I also recant all my posts on autoaim. You have laid me bare!

[Tarami]

"Twitch" is impressive because it makes a physical sport out of shooters. You need physical aptitude to succeed, whether it is an unusually steady hand or a lightning-fast one. Either you have the fundamental talents or you've spent many, many hours honing your skills, it's not something you can simply spreadsheet and be done with. It's the one area (not exclusive to shooters) where computer games stop being solely an intellectual pursuit and become an instinctive one, because it happens too fast to involve any higher brain functions. It requires practice, practice, practice. It's no coincidence that Fatality is world champion in half a dozen titles; he has simply got the mojo for shooters.

[Big Gulp]

"Twitch" is impressive because it makes a physical sport out of shooters. You need physical aptitude to succeed, whether it is an unusually steady hand or a lightning-fast one. Either you have the fundamental talents or you've spent many, many hours honing your skills, it's not something you can simply spreadsheet and be done with. It's the one area (not exclusive to shooters) where computer games stop being solely an intellectual pursuit and become an instinctive one, because it happens too fast to involve any higher brain functions. It requires practice, practice, practice. It's no coincidence that Fatality is world champion in half a dozen titles; he has simply got the mojo for shooters.

Ummm...  Who really gives a shit?  Once you're past the age of 14 shouldn't you really stop caring about whether or not you can beat someone else in a video game?  Of course, I'm the single player kid, so I never really saw the allure of playing with others.  Much rather do things my way, at my own pace.

[schild]

Ummm...  Who really gives a shit?  Once you're past the age of 14 shouldn't you really stop caring about whether or not you can beat someone else in a video game?

Probably the vast majority of gamers that have penises, really. And even lots that don't.

[waffel]

Ummm...  Who really gives a shit?  Once you're past the age of 14 shouldn't you really stop caring about whether or not you can beat someone else in a video game?  Of course, I'm the single player kid, so I never really saw the allure of playing with others.  Much rather do things my way, at my own pace.

Obvious bait post. Or, are you serious about not having any idea how multiplayer video games work?

[Nightblade]

 

[Big Gulp]

Obvious bait post. Or, are you serious about not having any idea how multiplayer video games work?

Oh, I'm serious.  I don't even like playing coop with other people.  Video games for me are very much about my enjoyment.  I don't want to deal with other people, ever.

[Venkman]

Right. But your prior post implied you spoke for the majority of the CoD market. Which is not the case

And I say this because I just tried to speak for all Raiders recently

[Big Gulp]

Right. But your prior post implied you spoke for the majority of the CoD market. Which is not the case

And I say this because I just tried to speak for all Raiders recently

Oh, no.  I'm aware that people actually care about this shit, I'm just pointing out that those people are douchebags.

[Tarami]

People playing with other people are douchebags, got it.

[Venkman]

Right. But your prior post implied you spoke for the majority of the CoD market. Which is not the case

And I say this because I just tried to speak for all Raiders recently

Oh, no.  I'm aware that people actually care about this shit, I'm just pointing out that those people are douchebags.

 

[NiX]

This thread got stupid.

[tgr]

Oh, no.  I'm aware that people actually care about this shit, I'm just pointing out that those people are douchebags.

So how is it then, is anyone who's older than 14 and are doing anything competitive a douchebag, or is it just "lol people are taking games seriously"?

[jakonovski]

People playing with other people are douchebags, got it.

That is a factually accurate description of the Xbox Live clientele. I only play games with a "mute all" button in multiplayer.

[Mosesandstick]

Just finished it. Presentation is unbelievable, story makes no sense and the gameplay is practically the same (imho not that good).

Oh yeah. Lean IS unbalanced. AI likes to use it a lot 

[Venkman]

People playing with other people are douchebags, got it.

That is a factually accurate description of the Xbox Live clientele. I only play games with a "mute all" button in multiplayer.

This is the main reason I've not been burned by multiplayer. I don't play with the crack adelled voices on XBL. That makes me an elitist PC snop, but I'd rather have fun than be annoyed all the time. I have about a 5% success rate on multiplayer console games, and that's not enough to keep me coming back.

Mostly this is because the people I play with never jumped to consoles either. If I fell into a group of console gamers I imagine it'd be different.

[AcidCat]

I only play games with a "mute all" button in multiplayer.

Seriously. Thankfully MW2 does have a mute all, which I found quickly after my second game when some dumbass would like sing a little song whenever he killed someone. Douchebags are not limited to XBox Live that's for sure.

[NiX]

Just finished it. Presentation is unbelievable, story makes no sense and the gameplay is practically the same (imho not that good).

Oh yeah. Lean IS unbalanced. AI likes to use it a lot 

Same impression I had.

Also...

[LK]

I only play games with a "mute all" button in multiplayer.

Seriously. Thankfully MW2 does have a mute all, which I found quickly after my second game when some dumbass would like sing a little song whenever he killed someone. Douchebags are not limited to XBox Live that's for sure.

What haunts me at night is the knowledge that those douchebags are probably having more fun playing the game than I ever will. This is further backed up by seeing drugged out ravers being absolutely FASCINATED by a pair of lights. When you ae incredibly stupid and immature, your ability to experience fun rises dramatically.

[Mosesandstick]

So far, MP on PC seems like a no-go. I've tried finding big maps and it's just no fun. Bad connections, can't snipe for sh*t, and games are way too short.  Maybe I just prefer things a bit more tactical.

[Hoax]

This thread got stupid.

Sadly as f13 gets older we're bound to see more of this shit.  Playing games with other people is stupid! Rawr! Get off my lawn!

Look, XBL is a fucking cesspool and every time I watch anyone playing online on 360 and I can hear other games I want to kill myself.  Somehow other then people voice griefing a server (amazingly handled easily by admins on dedicated servers) I've never once had a problem on PC games.

[Venkman]

With all the other crazy choices made, I wouldn't be surprised if MP was grudgingly added because they had no choice. If I were running a business, I'd rather NOT have people banging on my never-going-to-be-good-enough network and instead be playing solo and buying DLCs

[Goreschach]

If I were running a business, I'd rather NOT have people banging on my never-going-to-be-good-enough network

Hmmm... if only there was some way they could let people play multiplayer without the needing to use IW's network...



Oh well!

[kondratti]

I have never seen such a disparity between user reviews and the industry reviews.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/modernwarfare2

Gaming reviews - 8.9/10
User reviews - 1.7/10

[jakonovski]

Hmmm... if only there was some way they could let people play multiplayer without the needing to use IW's network...



Oh well!

What is this crazy moon-technology you speak of? Surely it is impossible!

[Venkman]

I have never seen such a disparity between user reviews and the industry reviews.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/modernwarfare2

Gaming reviews - 8.9/10
User reviews - 1.7/10

Most of them consider MP either lulz or just something you do once the single player is done. MW2 reviews really well because of the usual reasons why such big titles review well: graphics, approachability, sound, immersion, etc.

Further, all of these are the pre-release/launch reviews playing either just SP or under very contrived conditions. Reviews go through phases. If a game doesn't hold up after launch, you'll start seeing that in a few weeks as the next round of harder-core reviews come in. But by then it won't matter, because at this time of year, sales are about the big hyped launched (where the score is usually higher for big-hyped launched) and gift-giving (where scores generally don't matter as the game has already been pre-ordered).

[schild]

MW2 reviews really well because of the usual reasons why such big titles review well: graphics, approachability, sound, immersion, etc.

More likely reviewers had a really great environment to test MP in, barely tested it at all, saw the new features and based everything off of the single player. Also, HATS. MADE OF MONEY.