"Oh btw, FFXIV Online in 2010"

[Rendakor]

So the Guildleves (fuckstupid name, by the way) are just a glorified quest system.

The skill/class/equipment system sounds cool.

The races are still all silly looking besides the humans.

Looking forward to trying this out; hopefully I make it further in XIV than I did in XI.

[tmp]

The FFXIV website updated yesterday to include a lot of the information that's been released in the last week.

"To take an example, let us follow a day in the life of Leeroy"

[01101010]

The FFXIV website updated yesterday to include a lot of the information that's been released in the last week.

"To take an example, let us follow a day in the life of Leeroy"

Whatever it takes to pick from the WoW tree... 

[Kitsune]

Renaming the races is bugging the hell out of me.

[schild]

I really like the guildleves system.

[Numtini]

It all really looks good. I just really hope it's not a punishment style game like FFXI was.

[Velorath]

I really like the guildleves system.

I like that it gives you a centralized place to get "quests" from, and that it allows some sort of access to teleporting.  The rest of it just sounds like a fancy way to describing fairly standard quest stuff.   "By coordinating the leves of multiple party members, adventurers can even plan grand campaigns built around several different quests." for instance just sounds like a fancy way of saying "if a bunch of people in your group have quests that take place in the same zone, you might as well help each other out".

[Ard]

The way I read, it, and the way I hope it turns out is that everyone picks an objective and reward from the quest giver, and then you group up with other people and it creates a dungeon based on that.  It's not that far from what Anarchy Online did with it's mission terminals anyhow. 

[schild]

That. It also sounds like Guilds can give quests to members.

[Velorath]

The way I read, it, and the way I hope it turns out is that everyone picks an objective and reward from the quest giver, and then you group up with other people and it creates a dungeon based on that.  It's not that far from what Anarchy Online did with it's mission terminals anyhow. 

If that's how it ends up working, I'm all for that.

[schild]

If they did that, OM NOM NOM.

[Numtini]

I got the feeling guilds were NPCs from the writeup.

[Rendakor]

I got the feeling guilds were NPCs from the writeup.

[AutomaticZen]

I got the feeling guilds were NPCs from the writeup.

As did I.  Wonder if they'll stick with calling them linkshells.

[SnakeCharmer]

I can't get excited about this.  Never been much of a FF fan, so that's probably got something to do with it.

[Margalis]

Guildleves sounds similar to some of the stuff in later FFXI expansions like the TOAU assault missions where you join an NPC faction that gives you stuff to do, similar to the guilds in Bethesda games.

I like that FFXIV sounds like it has some interesting mechanical and gameplay elements. Particularly the levelling stuff, these days it's so safe and easy just to mail in a completely standard levels and xp system that the default assumption for new MMOs is that they aren't doing anything different there. Reading this stuff pulls one back to the heady days of 5+ years ago where different games would actually work differently.

[schild]

I can't get excited about this.  Never been much of a FF fan, so that's probably got something to do with it.

Then why even post in this thread?

[Draegan]

Their Armory system reminds me of Guild Wars except that instead of a hotbar you have a paper doll.

Should be interesting to see.  Schild can you post some more of those shots? I found them elsewhere.

[Kitsune]

Don't hype yourselves up too much about this just yet, or you might be sad when the reality comes.  They were all 'go back in time and struggle to save the past!' with the latest expansion for XI, but the past sucked.  A lot.  Struggling to save it involved getting dull daily quests for items that weren't particularly good.  The reality of the guildleve mechanics may turn out to be kinda bland.

[Velorath]

Don't hype yourselves up too much about this just yet, or you might be sad when the reality comes.  They were all 'go back in time and struggle to save the past!' with the latest expansion for XI, but the past sucked.  A lot.  Struggling to save it involved getting dull daily quests for items that weren't particularly good.  The reality of the guildleve mechanics may turn out to be kinda bland.

I imagine that any talented people they had working on FFXI were moved to the FFXIV team a while ago.

[koro]

Don't hype yourselves up too much about this just yet, or you might be sad when the reality comes.  They were all 'go back in time and struggle to save the past!' with the latest expansion for XI, but the past sucked.  A lot.  Struggling to save it involved getting dull daily quests for items that weren't particularly good.  The reality of the guildleve mechanics may turn out to be kinda bland.

I imagine that any talented people they had working on FFXI were moved to the FFXIV team a while ago.

Which is also part of the reason why the latest FFXI expansion is only just now getting the last bits of their content, only nearly two years late.

[Fordel]

Are they going to delete your characters after 3 months unsubbed in this version too?

That was always one of my biggest WTF's about the first one.

[Margalis]

I don't believe they ever actually did that in the first one, and if they did they stopped that practice a long time ago. So I would guess no. Too much money to be made in luring back old subscribers, for one thing.

[UnSub]

FFXI does delete characters after three months, although post-launch they implemented a recovery system at $12.95 for the first character, $1 for each additional character. So yes, there IS money to be made in luring exited subscribers back. 

Character data is stored for 3 months after the Content ID has been cancelled. Within that time frame, Content IDs can be reactivated. If you perform reactivation procedures after 3 months have passed and your data has not yet been deleted, you will be able to reactivate your Content ID. If you would like to reactivate a Content ID, you can do so on the PlayOnline Viewer from: Service & Support → Membership → Contents → Reactivate ID.

Customers who cannot reactivate their characters through either of the above methods are eligible for the Character Reactivation Service.

[Reg]

Well I've gone back twice after much longer than 3 months and not had to use that Content Reactivation Service even when I was expecting to - although that's the first I heard of having to actually pay.  There isn't a freaking chance in hell that I would have paid them to get my characters back. I'd have walked away and never looked back.

Seriously, they need to make it clear that the new game isn't going to do any crazy stuff like this. No character deletion after 3 months. No obnoxious worldpasses before you can play with your friends. None of that crap. Because if they do any of that nonsense I'll stop believing that they've removed the soul crushing grind and the cockblocks they used to impede your progress.

[Trippy]

I don't believe they ever actually did that in the first one, and if they did they stopped that practice a long time ago. So I would guess no. Too much money to be made in luring back old subscribers, for one thing.

I got an email a few years after I cancelled saying "Hey guess what? We undeleted your character! Come back and play!" (Gee thanks). I don't know if they actually had deleted my accounts and then recovered them but from that email they sure made it sound like they did.

Reading that link above it sound like that it's a crapshoot whether or not they delete your character data ("If you perform reactivation procedures after 3 months have passed and your data has not yet been deleted") where the longer you stay unsubscribed the greater the chance your character data will have been deleted.

[Reg]

Both times I returned were in response to one of those "Return to Vanadiel" emails they send out so maybe they restored my account before sending me that promotion.

[grunk]

Major issues that must be fixed:
Horrid econemy - Simply put only the early players can survive in ffxi. I can do a few bcnm's and make enough gil to just fuel my basic needs. Of of the reasons i refuse to level up any other jobs is because i cant afford the ABJ...
Class balance - i know this is always an issue but in ffxi it was horrid. i was a DRK day one us pc release and stuck it out... but simply put i was forced to sub whm and use a shield and /stun to get into raids during the first month because even with great gear i couldnt hit a thing. this was resolved by new foods, AA system and over all 2h buff. This cant happen again, if i have to sub whm on my galka smn... heal bomb h3 ...
rewards - reward players for doing bcnm's or missions that they do not need. why should i go help some guy do hes 5-3 ? guess what its a raid too... how are you gona gather 12 people (or 4 very high level / skilled players ... or lol a rdm/nin) to do it with you?

i have more stuff to bitch about but this whole "no level system" is bullshit. so youll level a weapon? big shit. I liked the fact that in ffxi you have a mix of skill and player levels... imo thats the winning formula. Create a class system with skills...

[grunk]

and p.s.

the story in ffxi was amazing. anyone who says otherwise didnt even make it through rank 10 and is full of shit. IMO, ffxi was one of the best FF stories ... and it shits all over anything past and w/e bioware is going to do... that being said im gay for starwars... but in the end... galka wins.

[grunk]

Now, if SE can just get over their phobia of PvP and create a place where we can all beat the crap out of each other.. I would be one happy gamer.

but there was ballista 

and ballista sucked so badly. thing i loved about ffxi was how i felt like i was hitting the mob. it felt very fluid... in ballista the shit feels like wow how i can stand 10ft away and some how hit you with my dick... well then again thats a bad example

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[Delmania]

and ballista sucked so badly. thing i loved about ffxi was how i felt like i was hitting the mob. it felt very fluid... in ballista the shit feels like wow how i can stand 10ft away and some how hit you with my dick... well then again thats a bad example

It would be quite a stretch to call FFXI's combat fluid by any stretch of the imagination.

[Trippy]

I think he meant the animations and the way the mobs reacted to your hits.

[grunk]

I think he meant the animations and the way the mobs reacted to your hits.

yup and its a big deal. the first thing bioware went on and on about was how swtor combat was going to feel epic or iconic.

[Lantyssa]

Dear gods, save me.

[UnSub]

Dear gods, save me.

Dear Lantyssa,

I've been very clear about this - save yourself.

Love,

 - God