StarCraft II Beta

[Fordel]

Only Terrans actually use their drop ships to carry troops really.

You might see a Protoss player do something cute like a immortal drop, or maybe protect their Templars from EMP inside the ship, but its just faster to use warpgates and proxy everything in. If the Zerg wants to shift around the map rapidly, they just open up tunnel worms everywhere. I can't remember the last time I saw a zerg player even research their Overlord carry. It's kinda funny, you'll see them fly an Overlord to an island for vision, then they'll spawn the worm at the island and set up the expansion that way.

[Samwise]

spawn the worm

[NowhereMan]

I've seen Protoss players using ships to transport troops for harassing but then I'm watching the higher level games that I doubt are anything like most games played.

[Mosesandstick]

I didnt follow SC at all, but wasn't the most typical combination the transport + reaver? Colossi partially replace reavers, and they climb cliffs, so transporting them isn't always wanted or necessary.

[Evil Elvis]

Handily won my first 5 practice matches; full anticipate having my shit thoroughly pushed in during my first placement game.

evilelvis.tohg

[Megrim]

At least from what I've played, people don't use warp prisms that much, I don't think I've seen a single player ('part from meself) use them.

Oh no, people use them. Oh yes, yes, yes we do. Tee-hee.

[Mosesandstick]

Aren't you a platinum player or something though? 

[Megrim]

Gold.

I should probably elaborate (since one doesn't have to be high-level to do this), but one of the staples of Protoss dickery for me has been the prism-beacon/warp-gate combo. Park the psi-field over some unnoticed corner of an opponent's base and repeatedly warp in singular dts. Works best on Terran players who don't build sensor towers (or enough turrets), and spam mules nonstop. Which is about 95% of them.

You can also whore warp-prism reinforcements by parking it on the flank of an expected attack route, and making your opponent fight on multiple vectors.

[Velorath]

July 27th release.

[Lakov_Sanite]

7/27/10

Release date added.

[trias_e]

FE Advice

This makes alot of sense, thanks.  I haven't considered getting the hatch before the pool before, it makes sense as you can get your defense up much quicker.  Previously I was building two sunkens at my main and then moving one down to my expansion when it's done, this probably isn't enough.  However I also am getting quick lair which I feel is essential to counter air, but is a drain on resources and may lead to my death...on this note I always get two queens pretty quick to help survive an initial air rush.  I'm not sure if I'm just a noob or suck at scouting though in that regard.  Well, I know I suck at scouting, and I know I'm a noob, but I don't know which is more to blame for my troubles.

[trias_e]

Awesome info against zerg vs protoss

Thanks a ton! Protoss is my my highest win rate, but this will still help immensely.  The only thing that worries me is that it seems like if toss pushes quickly with two immortals, I'm in a really weak position.  I don't have a unit advantage at that point as it's early and I haven't gotten an economy boost, and those immortals rip through sunken coloines super fast.

[lamaros]

Gold.

I should probably elaborate (since one doesn't have to be high-level to do this), but one of the staples of Protoss dickery for me has been the prism-beacon/warp-gate combo. Park the psi-field over some unnoticed corner of an opponent's base and repeatedly warp in singular dts. Works best on Terran players who don't build sensor towers (or enough turrets), and spam mules nonstop. Which is about 95% of them.

You can also whore warp-prism reinforcements by parking it on the flank of an expected attack route, and making your opponent fight on multiple vectors.

I also enjoy the dt prism drops. However it's not really efficient play given the costs of getting dts...

[trias_e]

Every game I play I get worse.   

[Teleku]

July 27th release.

Aw man, with a name like Wings of Liberty, they should have released it on July 4th.   

Ok, I'm going to try to derail this thread a bit and ask for some Tech advice since its mainly effecting my ability to play SC2, which is pissing me off.

My connection speed appears to be very slow the last 3 days.  Internet pages are loading much more sluggishly.  When I try to play Starcraft, I get constant lag, until I just totally lag out and get disconnected.  However, when I go to download anything, I'm getting fast speeds.  Like, I'll be able to download a file at a constant 500 kb/s, but CNN.com takes about 10 seconds to fully load.  Steam seems fine as well, as I'm downloading a game at about 500 kb/s right now (the norm).  I am using wireless.  It's worked pretty well before this.  I secured the router long ago with an actual password (not factory default) and require a key to connect, so I don't think anybody is leaching.  This is happening when other people on the network (housemates) don't even have their computers on, and anyways they are too old to even know how to fucking torrent anything.  I've run some anti virus and it doesn't seem to catch anything.  I'm using Windows 7 pro.  I tried changing the frequency my router transmits on, but that didn't help.

Does anybody have any idea why the fuck this is happening to me?  My only other thought is that Comcast is being a dick to our connection because I was downloading lots of stuff, but I can STILL download things fast, I just can't load pages (or play SC2 apparently) very fast.

[bhodi]

Aside from DNS which would cause cnn to load slowly but not cause starcraft lag, It sounds like your modem+router needs a reboot and/or replacement. Try power cycling it first; I don't know how comcast does things but it's possible they've changed around their DNS servers and you need to get the new ones as you're still connecting to the old (and taking a while to timeout). This is only loading stuff, this wouldn't be causing lag mid-game.

Comcast throttling wouldn't cause webpages to load slow. It's either your modem losing the ability to handle lots of sockets or a DNS issue, both hopefully would be resolved with a hard power cycle.

[Ratadm]

I finally broke down and pre-ordered.  Played my first game 1v1 as terran vs terran and I can say without a doubt I am really bad, I won but it wasn't pretty.  I like reaper harass on scv's though.  Ratadm.ratadm is my name.

[Rasix]

Oddly while reading that, my Comcast connection completely bombs out.

I've switched from random to Terran.  I like the Terrans the best and I'm too horrible at this crap to keep playing random.

After losing a match to Zerg where I accidentally left a supply depot down (yah, lol) and got reamed by a bunch of zerglings, I just successfully squashed a few all out zealot pushes.  Mass marauders is a lot of fun, but I really need to start working on some mid game transitioning (I have none).   Right now I just single base without teching at all and either lose to something ridiculous, fuckup my wall-off and get nailed by an early zergling/zealot blitz, or just stomp some clueless noob.

Amazing that I'm having fun with something that I'm so terrible at.

[Register]

Preordered the Collector Ed.... normally how long does it take for Gamestop to send out the Beta-Key? (If anyone here did preorder from Gamestop)

Thanks in advance...

[Ironwood]

Gold.

I should probably elaborate (since one doesn't have to be high-level to do this), but one of the staples of Protoss dickery for me has been the prism-beacon/warp-gate combo. Park the psi-field over some unnoticed corner of an opponent's base and repeatedly warp in singular dts. Works best on Terran players who don't build sensor towers (or enough turrets), and spam mules nonstop. Which is about 95% of them.

You can also whore warp-prism reinforcements by parking it on the flank of an expected attack route, and making your opponent fight on multiple vectors.

Take away the word 'singular' and you'd be right.  I had 4 units at a time warping into my base and tearing off my todger.

I won't get fooled again.

[Evil Elvis]

Preordered the Collector Ed.... normally how long does it take for Gamestop to send out the Beta-Key? (If anyone here did preorder from Gamestop)

Thanks in advance...

I received mine after a few hours.

[Mosesandstick]

Ugh, any tips for stopping reapers as protoss? They run circles around zealots, and even if I go aggressive with a gateway on 10, there's always holes somewhere and I can't help but lose drones, only limit the damage.

[Megrim]

Gold.

I should probably elaborate (since one doesn't have to be high-level to do this), but one of the staples of Protoss dickery for me has been the prism-beacon/warp-gate combo. Park the psi-field over some unnoticed corner of an opponent's base and repeatedly warp in singular dts. Works best on Terran players who don't build sensor towers (or enough turrets), and spam mules nonstop. Which is about 95% of them.

You can also whore warp-prism reinforcements by parking it on the flank of an expected attack route, and making your opponent fight on multiple vectors.

Take away the word 'singular' and you'd be right.  I had 4 units at a time warping into my base and tearing off my todger.

I won't get fooled again.

Heh, you warp them one at a time to bait out scans. If he kills several with one scan it's a loss to you. If he can only kill one per scan however...

[Malakili]

Ugh, any tips for stopping reapers as protoss? They run circles around zealots, and even if I go aggressive with a gateway on 10, there's always holes somewhere and I can't help but lose drones, only limit the damage.

If he goes for a cheese extremely early proxy repear rush, you're only chance is an early scout.  If you know its coming, just keep the reapers occupied and save as many drones as you can until you can get a stalker out.    Limiting the damage is all you need to do, an early reaper rush is going to put him at an economic disadvantage, and you can probably get away with an early counter timing attack before he can build up enough defense.  You'll often see an early expansion from a Terran player who went for early reapers in an attempt to make up for it.  Try to take advantage of his lack of a standing army.

[Wolf]

tvp at least 90% of terrans will go for reapers, build your stuff close to the nexus and scout with the probe that builds the pylon. If you see rax before supply go for 11 gateway, if you see supply go for regular 13 gate; get gas early, in either case skip zealots entirely and save chrono for your first stalker. The timing is such that he'll be in your base when the stalker pops if you or him don't mess up. One stalker can kill all early reapers.

Like Malakili said, he's realtively behind from this whole affair, so if he doesn't kill any probes you're golden :)

[Ironwood]

This isn't a strategy game anymore, it's a tactical game.  If you make the wrong decision early, you're pretty much hosed.

And WHERE the fuck did he get that big burny war machine???

[Wolf]

I just played the most epic TvT on lost temple. Every time I get tvt on lost temple it turns into some 30 minute crazyness. Noob in action. One of the sickest games I've played.

[Samwise]

Someone needs to make a website that renders those replay files into conveniently watchable videos.

[LK]

StarTube?

Shit. That could be huge.

[Yegolev]

Someone needs to make a website that renders those replay files into conveniently watchable videos.

[NowhereMan]

This isn't a strategy game anymore, it's a tactical game.  If you make the wrong decision early, you're pretty much hosed.

And WHERE the fuck did he get that big burny war machine???

I thought strategy was the whole bigger picture thing, in terms of scale of the game micro should be tactics and macro should be strategy, which would make SC2 more strategy based than SC.

[Register]

Preordered the Collector Ed.... normally how long does it take for Gamestop to send out the Beta-Key? (If anyone here did preorder from Gamestop)

Thanks in advance...

I received mine after a few hours.

Finally got it.... roughly more than 30 hours after ordering it. Downloading it at office, but unfortunately its going to be at least 12 hours till I can play it.

[Der Helm]

Are Euro and US Beta really seperated ? It seems I can't find any of the US f13ers to add as friends. Does that mean I can't play with them either ?

And what about release ?

[Register]

Are Euro and US Beta really seperated ? It seems I can't find any of the US f13ers to add as friends. Does that mean I can't play with them either ?

And what about release ?

Q. Will we be able to play with our friends on other continents like we could in StarCraft's Battle.net?

A. Currently we do not have plans to integrate friends between regions for launch. In the long run that's definitely something we'll be looking at.

Taken from http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23767157319&sid=3000

[Margalis]

This isn't a strategy game anymore, it's a tactical game.  If you make the wrong decision early, you're pretty much hosed.

Kind of, but there are two very key strategies to keep in mind:

1. Make sure you don't lose to stupid shit

2. Make sure you know what your opponent is up to

My philosophy is that if I'm going to lose it's because my opponent is flat out better, not because they did some proxy or quick teched to air or got a hidden expansion or built all Marauders while I built all Roaches or something like that.