Bad Groups

[Rendakor]

Yea I've always tanked the reaper at the top of the ramp. I tanked him under the lamp at the top, with the ranged/healer at the far lamp. Makes it easier for everyone that way; doing him at the bottom gave us a lot of problems with the adds/golem.

[SurfD]

Has to do with the way the foe reaper moves durring overdrive.  When he does Overdrive, he moves in a strait line, untill he hits a wall, then he moves off in another strait line.  Much like a Roomba bouncing around a room cleaning shit.  If you drag him most of the way up the ramp, because of the way it is laid out, he spends most of his time bouncing around in very short spurts, and usually does not travel very far.

[apocrypha]

Joined a HHoO this morning on my mage. Now my mage is only recently heroic-capable, so his DPS isn't stellar, but I'm not a herpderp. DK dps and druid healer are from the same guild (called Sausage Festival, lol) and straight away they start bitching. The DK is pulling 10k solid, me and the hunter are pulling 7k or so. But trash is dying, getting CC'd, interrupted, first boss goes down without a problem.

Get to the Hall of Lights and on the Water Guardian nobody except me hits the first bubble so I quickly type in /p kill the bubbles!!. DK gets bubbled next and cos he's on the other side of the mob from me I'm just out of range, so I blink in and pew pew his bubble. Hunter ignores it and carries on plinking the mob. I don't get the bubble down in time and the DK dies.

DK then says "AFK 14 mins" which is exactly the kick timer I discover. Arguments, recrimination, bitching from the healer and the (not really AFK) DK, who basically admits that he's going to deliberately grief the group now because our DPS sucks and we're all noobs and he died once. Having waited 30 mins we all just hang around waiting for the kick timer... and promptly kick him! Healer doesn't leave, which is odd. Re-queue for new DPS... and the same DK joins again. Him and the healer then AFK, unkickable now. DK teleports out of instance and is obviously doing his TB dailies. I do the same. I end up going to have breakfast and a shower, come back 25 mins later and everyone except the tank is still there! Doing nothing.

I open a ticket, report the DK for group griefing, alt-f4 and log on a diff account.

Kids, I fucking hate them.

[Selby]

Kids, I fucking hate them.

There's been a lot of this bulllshit lately.  Do *any* little thing that someone doesn't like and get kicked.  I seriously don't get it, just get it done and get your VP's and be done.  The way I have to spend 30-45m arguing with people or running through various kicks is a waste of damn time.

[kildorn]

Joined a HHoO this morning on my mage. Now my mage is only recently heroic-capable, so his DPS isn't stellar, but I'm not a herpderp. DK dps and druid healer are from the same guild (called Sausage Festival, lol) and straight away they start bitching. The DK is pulling 10k solid, me and the hunter are pulling 7k or so. But trash is dying, getting CC'd, interrupted, first boss goes down without a problem.

Get to the Hall of Lights and on the Water Guardian nobody except me hits the first bubble so I quickly type in /p kill the bubbles!!. DK gets bubbled next and cos he's on the other side of the mob from me I'm just out of range, so I blink in and pew pew his bubble. Hunter ignores it and carries on plinking the mob. I don't get the bubble down in time and the DK dies.

DK then says "AFK 14 mins" which is exactly the kick timer I discover. Arguments, recrimination, bitching from the healer and the (not really AFK) DK, who basically admits that he's going to deliberately grief the group now because our DPS sucks and we're all noobs and he died once. Having waited 30 mins we all just hang around waiting for the kick timer... and promptly kick him! Healer doesn't leave, which is odd. Re-queue for new DPS... and the same DK joins again. Him and the healer then AFK, unkickable now. DK teleports out of instance and is obviously doing his TB dailies. I do the same. I end up going to have breakfast and a shower, come back 25 mins later and everyone except the tank is still there! Doing nothing.

I open a ticket, report the DK for group griefing, alt-f4 and log on a diff account.

Kids, I fucking hate them.

If the healer didn't leave on the kick, he was probably the group lead, and could manually re-invite the DK. But yeah, as much as not popping bubbles sucks (and seriously, I have to run to the healer and pop his as the goddamned tank half the time in pugs), throwing a hissy fit and being a prick sucks more. Griefing a group is just pointless. The closest I've gotten to that was a group yelling that my 83 palatank was too low to tank normal stonecore (because they kept breaking all the CC, which makes tanking a lot harder, people!) and then refusing to just kick me when I sat down and told them to. Because I'm not eating a 10 minute requeue debuff because you people can't handle the idea that I'm not rolling around in 333s for a normal stonecore run.

We actually got our bitchfest done with and I proceeded to tank the rest of the instance without a single wipe, too. The 85 healadin finally admitted that I did know what I was doing. :P

[Shrike]

Kids, I fucking hate them.

There's been a lot of this bulllshit lately.  Do *any* little thing that someone doesn't like and get kicked.  I seriously don't get it, just get it done and get your VP's and be done.  The way I have to spend 30-45m arguing with people or running through various kicks is a waste of damn time.

Hell, yeah, this.

I had one of those groups last night. Lost City of all things. The group was up to about 12 before we finished it due to kicks, quits, and other foolishness. What should have been a 50 min run took almost 3 hours and this place isn't that hard. Most of it was over stupid shit, though the hunter--from my realm, no less--was a real pain in the ass. Stupid bastard couldn't sit still and even wait for the tank to mark shit, he was trapping and pulling. Nights like that make me seriously consider quitting this shitfest of an expansion. That's the way I"m starting to think of Cataclysm. Not good.

[Khaldun]

I am pretty tired of seeing kicks for everything, yeah. It interferes with getting shit done. I'm also tired of coming into an instance after there has been a lot of kicking. Kick for egregious repeated failure, for standing around doing nothing while everyone else fights, or for being so far off the necessary gearing and skill level that it's not even imaginable that you'll be able to do the job. Instead I'm seeing people get kicked for missing one interrupt, for standing in fire once, or for not meeting some imaginary catass target for superlative performance. I quit one group after the tank initiated three of these kinds of kicks, one of the healer. Tank was good, but it makes it not fun and wastes time.

[kildorn]

Was nice that after I lost power twice last night while tanking a pug, I was still IN my heroic group. They hadn't kicked the flaky connection tank, they just hung out and waited <3

[Paelos]

Was nice that after I lost power twice last night while tanking a pug, I was still IN my heroic group. They hadn't kicked the flaky connection tank, they just hung out and waited <3

That's cause it's faster to wait. 

[kildorn]

Was nice that after I lost power twice last night while tanking a pug, I was still IN my heroic group. They hadn't kicked the flaky connection tank, they just hung out and waited <3

That's cause it's faster to wait. 

I think it was actually because the healer and two dps were from the same raid guild, and seemed thrilled to have a pickup tank that didn't just suck and die immediately. <3 The nonguild ele shaman however sucked at standing in beams. And I got the heroic achievement on Forgedude due to sucking at pulling him through fires <3

[Soulflame]

I had a BRD (upper) group go through about 12 people before we finished.  I think it was because the tank wanted to do a clear, and most of the people who went LD or quit wanted to rush the boss.

How do people feel about "Dungeon in progress"?  If I'm queued as a healer, I generally default to decline, but if I'm DPS, I generally hit accept.  And pray.

[Ingmar]

I usually take the gamble, a fair amount of the time you end up getting the finish reward for 5-10 minutes of work. Caveat, though, I only do random queues on leveling dungeons.

[kildorn]

I take the in progress when it pops.

Lately, if it says In Progress, it's HoO. Which I find odd, since it's usually HoO with the only difficult boss dead (hymn dude)

[Merusk]

I always take it as either.  As a healer I'm usually finding a group where they kicked a previously under geared or clueless healer.  The last one I got a group on the last 2 bosses of SFK and finished that out in about 20 mins.  While I'd like the JP right now, I wasn't complaining at such an easy gain of VP.  

As a DPS I know I can do much better than whomever I'm replacing. I know my shit, know how to interrupt, etc so I should be good.  I love 'em as DPS because I'm just looking for VP and I already waited 40min in queue.

With both at worst I'll eat a wipe or two, discovering if the group sucks or if it was just the guy I'm replacing.

For so many of the reasons previously listed, I DO NOT queue for randoms as a tank right now.  If I did, there's no way in hell I'd join a random in progress.  If your tank bailed on you, or you were able to get down a boss and then booted him there's bigger problems.

[Ingmar]

I didn't even queue for them as a tank in Wrath, Thorgrim still isn't "the Patient" because I refuse to tank for strangers. 90% of the time it is a negative experience, even when the content is easy.

[kildorn]

I think I'm one of the only people in the guild that braves LFD as a tank or healer <3

Right now, I've been mostly positive on my tanking LFD experiences, but I JUST started heroic LFDs while packing two epics and mostly 333/346 gear. Admittedly, I always consider myself a "bad tank", so I lack the confidence that I can pull any real shenanigans beyond "don't stand in fires"

I did manage to solo the last 10% of Baron Ashbury though!

[Rendakor]

My early Cata experience queuing as tank with only 1 guild DPS was not pleasant. Now that my guildies are caught up/geared up, I refuse to do a heroic with more than one pug. I use the "need at least 4 for guild xp!" excuse, but the truth is I don't want to have to deal with more than one possible-retard.

[Sjofn]

I think I'm one of the only people in the guild that braves LFD as a tank or healer <3

Right now, I've been mostly positive on my tanking LFD experiences, but I JUST started heroic LFDs while packing two epics and mostly 333/346 gear. Admittedly, I always consider myself a "bad tank", so I lack the confidence that I can pull any real shenanigans beyond "don't stand in fires"

I did manage to solo the last 10% of Baron Ashbury though!

I tanked/healed a lot as Jassan in Wrath (and sometimes tanked as Sofi), and I always like healing in PUGs because I am crazy. I just haven't really done it on Tritana yet because I got Mass Effected. But yeah, most of the guild's tanks are giant babies.

[apocrypha]

I take "In progress" as DPS because fuck 30 minute queues.

I never, ever, EVER take in progress ones as tank. Why should I take the risk? I'm only tanking normals so far and am not sure I'll even consider tanking heroics when the time comes.

[Shrike]

I'll take any "In progress" as dps. It's usually a gift, as I only want the 70vp and to get the hell out. Sometimes it ends badly, but 2/3rds of heroics end badly anyway, so the time savings is worth the risk all on its own.

Got one last night, too. HBRC. After the shitfest the night before, it was a godsend. Group apparently had kicked a dps on the twilight warlock with the mutagen beams (can never remember her name). Was a 3 man guild group with two straphangers (dps warrior and me). Went swimmingly. Tank skipped Beauty (only one CC...), and I got my loot in about 20 minutes, which beats the hell out of the more typical 3 hour suckfests. Even got a new trinket with slightly better itemization for my present gear. Almost made up for the repair bill the night before.

[kildorn]

Pansy. I did beauty with one CC two days ago! It was... hilarious.

[Azazel]

I really enjoyed tanking as I levelled my prot warrior through 1-60. I've tanked a couple of TBC dungeons as well, and usually get pats on the back from the group. Assuming I get my warrior to 85, I'm just not going to be able to tank any level-cap dungeons since I don't have any interest in raiding (no time/not willing to commit to being in a serious/regular raid group/not in a close group or guild), so my gear is always going to be sub-par, and the game is filled with dickheads.

Looks like I'll be quitting when I get a few more levels, as predicted.

[Dren]

You can get gear multiple ways and right now each one is as viable as the other (80-85):

PvP multiple different ways (BG's, Tol Barad, Arenas, Rated BG's, pick you level of committment)
Solo PvE (do all the quests in the game to reach probably 329-331 average lvl gear, do dailies with rep gain to buy even better items from the rep vendors.)
Regular Instances (do dailiy randoms to purchase and find better items)<--Tanks get insta-queue!
Heroic Instances (once you get a high enough average lvl gear from the above, do these to get even better)<--Tanks get insta-queue!

I'm not sure what people mean by raiding, but if you mean more than 5-man instances, there are more than enough ways to improve without it.  If the above doesn't trip your trigger, I'm not sure why you are playing WoW to begin with.  If it is a matter of PUGs, stop doing them and join a big enough guild to do guild-only runs.  That's what I do.  I will not do PUG's anymore.

[Ironwood]

ARG, JUST FUCK DPS IN THIS GAME.

They still haven't learned.  At all.

You have a fucking role to play and that ISN'T just the role of pew pew pew boss and check recount to make sure you're THE HIGHEST.  If the fucking Healer is getting swarmed by fucking Troggs, get your fingers out of your ass and lay down some AoE to HELP HIM OUT.  Sure, the tank has a role, but we're only two fucking chaps in a group of five.

Fucking Bastards.

[Shrike]

Well, if you're good, you can do both.

Last night: It's Lost City again, which still for the life of me seems to cause other people angst when the place isn't hard. At all. Unless idiots make it that way, but I digress...

Croc boss. Since they've fixed the statue thing, tanks actually have to try and keep after adds. Ahem. Sure. Anyway, we get rolling, beating the hell out of the big croc, little ones spawn, pally tank picks them up. Cool. Next wave of little crocs, they're all over. Drop earthbind, three on the healer (who rocks, by the way), I'm the only one that goes over to clean them up. Kill little bastards, back on big bastard. Third wave, tanks picks up two, couple more head to the healer again, CL, they're on me, unleash the hounds, kill the miserable little luggage, back on boss. Unload. Boss dies. Augh foolishness ensues. Hey, top of recount again, with...wait for it...5k dps more than the next highest. And I don't have AoE worth mentioning.

Hell of it was, other than some hunter body-pulling dipshittery, it went farily well. Tank and healer were good, other dps not so much, but apparently I can carry two now. Tank was doing some smokin' dps himself, and that helped quite a bit. The cherry on top of all this is that the healer/two-other-dps were all a guild group...that got instacued by a guild tank, who promptly quit. Guess we lucked out on the random tank.

[Setanta]

ARG, JUST FUCK DPS IN THIS GAME.

They still haven't learned.  At all.

You have a fucking role to play and that ISN'T just the role of pew pew pew boss and check recount to make sure you're THE HIGHEST.  If the fucking Healer is getting swarmed by fucking Troggs, get your fingers out of your ass and lay down some AoE to HELP HIM OUT.  Sure, the tank has a role, but we're only two fucking chaps in a group of five.

Fucking Bastards.

I got tired of playing enhance shammy and dusted off my hunter.

All I get is compliments because I can double CC properly (trap/sting as survival). I have more fun getting cc right/switching targets/MDing off heal aggro etc than I do pure dpsing. then again, my hunter is my original character played since vanilla and I love the new hunter mechanics. The class has never felt so versatile as it does now.

Having said that, I have a few mates who can DPS on their hunter alts as hard as I can - but can't really play past the "pew pew" mentality.

[Selby]

All I get is compliments because I can double CC properly (trap/sting as survival). I have more fun getting cc right/switching targets/MDing off heal aggro etc than I do pure dpsing.

You are an example of a good hunter.  I had a PUG hunter today who kept autoshotting CC'd mobs (ones that I had zero aggro on and were like 15 yards away which then bee-lined it for the healer) and the one time he bothered to frost trap something he botched it horribly.  He also ignored the skulls I was putting up and DPSed his own targets.  I decided I would let him have his fun.  He didn't die since we had pro heals and pro DPS (4 guild group), but it sure was annoying.

Same with the mage who would sheep a target right before the rogue was getting ready to sap...

[Soulflame]

Gnomeregan.  Shaman alt with no heirloom gear.

Tank leads us towards the boss that involves tunnels and a gnome blocking them.  He does a very poor job of managing aggro to the boss.

The mage tanks the first boss the entire fight.  I easily keep the mage alive, but I'm annoyed about this anyway.  Also, I've been tanking one or more mobs pretty much every pull.

Tank heads down the top left passage, I follow the tank, the DPS goes down the middle channel.  At the end of the passage, the tank pulls a couple of mobs, I dutifully heal him while he tanks one, and I tank the other.  The DPS gets the brilliant idea of pulling mobs at the end of the tunnel by the big pit, and promptly dies.  Since I'm over by the tank, and everything.

There's still another pull between the two of us and the rest of the group.  They are dead within maybe 50-100 feet of the instance.  One of the dead DPS says "res me".

I pause.  Think about it for a second.

"You know what... no."

/drop group

[Paelos]

Had a warlock in a raid who wouldn't move out of melee range. When the tank was like, WTF get out of melee, the lock says, "I can't shadowflame from back there, my dps will suck." 

[Ingmar]

There aren't a lot of bosses that I'll skip, but that Gnomeregan tunnel event is one of them.

[Soulflame]

Cathedral instance last night.  I pop in, they have obviously wiped, and we're in front of the Cathedral.  I sigh to myself, and hope I can manage to pull off what the previous healer failed at.  Tank runs *into* the cathedral, which I figured was obvious mistake number one.  He sets up in one of the corners, and I figure maybe he knows what he's doing.  Nope, he charges two mobs.  I wait, heal once.  Now I'm tanking one of the mobs.  I wasn't watching closely, so I'm not sure if there was a patrolling mob, or if the DPS aggro'd another pack.  Either way, now I'm tanking three mobs, and I think every person in the group has aggro.  One of the DPS kindly pulls one of the mobs off of me, and I go into "spam high mana cost heal" mode.  Which I can do for all of 30 seconds.  I think.  In any case, the mob the tank was actually tanking gets low on health, and runs to trigger yet another pack.  At that point, I drop group.  The tank never used thunderclap.  He didn't understand that the mobs would run, and needed to be pulled back.  I never know if I should try to correct people who are playing that poorly.

Night before last, another bad group.  Dire Maul, warpwood.  Paladin tank.  First, he does't have Righteous Fury up.  I mention it to him.  After a few pulls (and me tanking mobs in my super leather gear) he finally puts it up.  Then he changes specs, but doesn't put Righteous Fury up again.  So I mention it to him again.  After a while, he manages to recast it, which - hooray - means I stop tanking stray mobs.  Then suddenly I see he's taking absolutely ludicrous amounts of damage.  I click on him: he has 1000 health (for a level 38ish tank, that's half of where he should be.)  I ask him to put his gear back on, and he does.  I gritted my way through that instance, but it was pretty much the limits of my tolerance for a bad group.

[Kail]

Leveling instances in general are a joke, group wise.  I had one Hellfire Ramparts yesterday where our third DPS was a DK who didn't finish loading the instance until we were halfway to the first boss, and once he was loaded, he was lagging all over the place.  I think I saw him cast frozen touch a couple times, and that's about it.

Today, got stuck in Blood Furnace with some DK Tank who was A: slow at typing and B: bitched at people every time they fucked up (first pull, the shammy dropped Earth Elemental totem and got yelled at for it) which both combined to make a very slow run.  Pull, kill, wait for five minutes for tank to hunt-and-peck his QQ, repeat.  Shammy started getting pissy about how slow we were going, tank says "you heal too shitty for me to go faster," hissing and clawing occur, tank gets butthurt and goes AFK right before first boss.  Rogue pulls it anyway, and we get it down without much trouble because it's Blood Furnace and about as difficult as punching through kleenex.  We continue to do the instance with no tank until we get to the second boss, at which there's a votekick for "bad tank".  People click accept, and the vote succeeds, except it was the AFK tank voting to kick the healer and nobody noticed because who the hell keeps track of names in LFD.  Sigh.  Drop group, requeue.

[Ironwood]

That's actually quite clever.

[Xanthippe]

The less I play WoW, the less I hate people.

[craan]

Each Warsong Gulch battleground I was in last night had the Alliance holding the last flag and camping the graveyard with their entire team.  Is this typical Alliance? If so, wtf?  The worse I've seen our Horde do is camp the foot of the cliff.