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Reply #35 on: February 24, 2009, 06:08:24 PM

I don't live near a strip.  I live on a golf course.  I've seen run over cats.  And, unless you're rural, there's always a busy highway somewhere.  Sorry, but in a lot of areas, letting your cat outside is dangerous for it.  Any other opinion of this is just wrong.  I wouldn't think of de-clawing my kitties, though.  I think that's just awful.   

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Reply #36 on: February 24, 2009, 06:12:18 PM

Well, the first post did have a Kitler in it...

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Reply #37 on: February 24, 2009, 06:13:46 PM

I love that cats somehow assume that everything not going according to their plan is somehow your fault. The look that they give you is awesome.

My parents' cat once managed to drop off a guard rail because of cat ADD. Hey look how I can balance on that small railing.... Oh a butterfly. Yet somehow even that must have been the fault of my parents.

Also she likes to hunt for food, even if it's the steaks my mother prepared for our dinner. It's especially funny because she's such a tiny cat, we call her crumb because of that. It's a funny sight when a tiny cat somehow manages to head off with a steak twice it's length. She had to keep her head as high as possible to not step on the meat with her paws.

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Reply #38 on: February 24, 2009, 06:16:37 PM

I don't live near a strip.  I live on a golf course.  I've seen run over cats.

Fair enough. But pardon me while laugh a bit.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #39 on: February 24, 2009, 06:30:40 PM

None of the outdoor cats I played with in my neighborhood growing up got run over and where we lived is bordered by major thoroughfares on two sides. Avoiding one of the neighbor's killer poodle was probably the biggest survival challenge to them (that thing loved to kill cats) and they managed to survive that too.
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Reply #40 on: February 24, 2009, 06:33:10 PM

I live one block from a busy street, three blocks from a freeway, and a mile from coyote country.  Okay, the coyotes are a bit of a long shot, but still.  It never occurred to me to worry when I was a kid (my cats back then were indoor/outdoor and managed okay except for the occasional tussle with other cats), but I've read too much and gotten too paranoid since then.

Cat furniture is definitely on the agenda.  I built a pretty decent little cat condo when I was about ten, and am thinking it would be fun to build something on a slightly grander scale now that I have my own garage and power tools.  Store-bought cat furniture generally seems to be overpriced, made of cardboard, and beige.

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Reply #41 on: February 24, 2009, 07:11:44 PM

Our first cat lived outdoors in the middle of an urban area in Barcelona, which had traffic all over. Plenty of feral cats. Harldy any of them got run over in large part because the cars had to go pretty slowly through city streets. This cat lived to be 19. She switched from 16 years of outdoor living to the last 3 of indoor and was not visibly unhappy about it. She didn't really WANT to go outside that much, even when leaving the door open presented the oportunity to scoot out.

On the other hand, a cat of our relatives, living outdoors in a suburban area got eaten by a pack of feral dogs.

Lets just put it this way; 'Born Free' isn't as liberating to a cat as you may think it is.

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Reply #42 on: February 24, 2009, 09:48:32 PM

I want to see a pic of that, Hawkbit.  We bought a big cat condo type thingy.  I wanted something heavy, well built and stable so it was expensive.  If you look at them, though, even the big pricey ones, they really look easy to build.  They love it, though, and use it constantly.

We moved from that condo a few years back, and I can't find any pics.  The center post was two 2x4s that I glued together and nailed, then notched (dado'd) slots into for the rests, which were made of shelves of an old bookcase that I carpeted over.  Here's a basic pic of it:


The green spots were mounted into the studs in the wall, the red is carpeted wood.  I also used the windowsills to help prop them up where I could.  From memory, the top windowsill was at 8'. 

A very basic scratchpost I made (and they've trashed) is here:


Three 4x4s about two feet in length on a 2.5' baseboard covered in carpet; the 4x4s are covered in sisal rope.  You can see that they trash pile carpet too fast; there's pieces of it all over.  The thing weighs nearly 20 lbs now, there's no way they can knock it over.  In fact, I broke my little toe on the base a few months back.   Ohhhhh, I see.

The black and white cat above is Strider.  We rescued him last year as he was brought in because someone shot him with an arrow as target practice.  The arrow was lodged right above his clavicles across his back.  Nerve damage is gone now after a year, and now he's a big fat happy housecat.  He's literally a locally famous cat.  He's been on TV and on the frontpage of the Columbus Dispatch because he's one of the few animals that they've found alive by this person who is shooting animals with bow and arrow.  Last I checked the reward was up around $3000 leading to an arrest on whoever is shooting them.  Every other month someone tells me "Dude!  I saw your cat on TV!"... it's kinda funny but I hope they find the jackoff that's killing these animals.  Fucker goes after dogs too. 

Below are Ivan (the Terrible) and Isis; the former we rescued last year and the latter found us at the condo in 2003.  We've had really good luck with cats, outside of the $200 curtains Ivan just destroyed.  The foyer looked like a damn crimescene after those cats were done with it. 
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Reply #43 on: February 25, 2009, 07:26:12 AM

Cruelty is another reason I won't let my kitties out.  People are horrible.  A few years back near the area where I was living, someone was shooting dogs left outside at night, even if they were in their own back yards.  I will only ever have rescue cats and  I don't see the good sense in taking a cat  off the street only to be put outside again.  There are several agencies that send emails out when someone loses a pet in your area.  I get several a day, mostly cats by a fair bit.  I reckon a lot of these lost cats have been "rescued" from people who leave them outside.

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Reply #44 on: February 25, 2009, 07:42:54 AM

Our cats are outdoor-if-they-want-to cats, but they only have easy access to the back so they rarely go out the front where the road is. Also there's lots of other cats in the neighbourhood and their territorial rivalry tends to mean they don't wander far. When we started growing our own veg we decided to build an enclosure to keep the cats out cos we didn't want them shitting in the veg beds etc. Ended up basically making a giant fruit cage covered in plastic mesh. Works so far! But it's a total enclosure, only way.

I'm really struggling with this cat food thing atm. Every single brand of cat food that I can find says it's designed for cat health. All of them. The only grain-free stuff I can find is here. Does that look like good stuff to give them?

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Reply #45 on: February 25, 2009, 07:46:54 AM

My parents have three cats living outdoors that only come home to be fed, petted if they feel like it, or get their feet clean on my fathers trousers if it rains outside.

I live in a small flat on the eight floor and have a cat of my own. He doesn't give that much of a crap if I am at home all the time. He wants his food, his water fountain refilled and his cuddling quota fullfilled at times of his liking. 50 work hours a week shouldn't be a problem. If you got the time to play computer games, your cat will sit in your lap to get its quota. It will curdle up beside you while you watch TV or on your back when you go to sleep. Most of the time cats will just ignore you when you are at home for prolonged times anyway. Only extended holidays will make them appreciate you for one or two days afterwards.

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Reply #46 on: February 25, 2009, 08:15:40 AM

Since this is the cat thread...

Harmony (the people at the shelter gave her the name, not me), just after I brought her home last year:


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Reply #47 on: February 25, 2009, 08:45:18 AM

Our cats are outdoor-if-they-want-to cats, but they only have easy access to the back so they rarely go out the front where the road is. Also there's lots of other cats in the neighbourhood and their territorial rivalry tends to mean they don't wander far. When we started growing our own veg we decided to build an enclosure to keep the cats out cos we didn't want them shitting in the veg beds etc. Ended up basically making a giant fruit cage covered in plastic mesh. Works so far! But it's a total enclosure, only way.

I'm really struggling with this cat food thing atm. Every single brand of cat food that I can find says it's designed for cat health. All of them. The only grain-free stuff I can find is here. Does that look like good stuff to give them?

That looks nice and no grains, too!  I think you can also get Cosa at Zooplus.co.uk, which is just tinned meat in jelly I think.  There seems to be a lot more good foods to choose from in the US and I never had a cat in the UK or Europe.  I don't give them that much dry, really, even though Magenta seems to prefer it sometimes.  Mostly wet and some raw when I have it.  For a country that values it's pets over it's children, there is a surprising lack of good pet food and places to buy it!




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Reply #48 on: February 25, 2009, 09:28:52 AM

I grew up with outdoor cats and spent a lot of tears prying them off of the road. More recently we had a cat disappear that we assume the coyotes got. (Cape Cod is full of them.)

In my experience cats that haven't been outside do just fine inside without getting neurotic or anything. Get a kitten or young kitty and they should be fine. However, as with the above victim of coyotes, if cats are used to roaming outside, they really really suffer emotionally from being confined indoors. The cat was utterly miserable, it sprayed despite being fixed, it wrecked things, and all the issues went away and it was gloriously happy when it was able to go out. Unfortunately, it only lasted two months.

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Reply #49 on: February 25, 2009, 09:32:37 AM

The worst I've seen was this schmuck who adopted/found a wild cat -- don't think it was a full lynx, but he was pretty big guy, named him Bernie, and just confined him indoors. To top it off, he was a religious freak who talked in this psychotic baby voice about Jesus with Bernie. The cat was a mean little asshole. And rightly so. Hope it scratched that guys eyes out by now.
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Reply #50 on: February 25, 2009, 10:23:13 AM

On that note, I've always wanted a Bobcat or some lynx type. IF I do move away from the city, I'd do that. And no, I don't think they should be let outdoors, let alone owned, if you live in a city. Not for their protection, but for everyone else's.



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Reply #51 on: February 25, 2009, 11:07:19 AM

Well, aparently if you move into a foreclosed home in California, you can get your own bobcat

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something.

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Reply #52 on: February 25, 2009, 12:36:23 PM

Old picture from when the kittens were new, and scared to be more than about 3 feet from me. Little fuckers kept pissing in the bed (on my gf once, quite a laugh) and trying to nurse on my earlobes as I slept. Ended up with an ear infection, and two decent cats.



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Reply #53 on: February 25, 2009, 03:12:42 PM

I raised a litter of Bengal/feral mixes as bottle babies.  The boy is normal sized (a bit big, actually) but the girls are permanently kitten-sized (5 pounds or so).  Seems to have been just a weird combination of genes, Bengal females run small (8 pounds) in general, and mother (the feral) was pretty small to begin with.  When the kittens were 2 weeks old she got so aggressive it became impossible to keep her in the house (she'd charge and try to escape as soon as I opened the door to the bathroom we were keeping her in the closet of), so we sent her back to the Feral Rescue project (who spayed and released her) and raised them the rest of the way on bottles.

Kittens at two weeks, right after momma went back:

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For scale on Muffin, that molding behind her is only 2 inches high.

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The last one we refer to as "mini-cat", she never had that fluffy phase where the fur is too long for the proportions to look right.  As soon as she was walking around, her short fur (then not much longer than velour upholstery or thick velvet) made her look like a perfect 1/8 scale model of a real cat.  Even now she's the smallest full-grown cat I've ever seen, at 4.5 pounds.  She's also solid evidence for the "alien infiltrator" theory of cat evolution, being extremely good at figuring out causality.  She never fell for the laser pointer, within minutes she was looking at my hand, not chasing the bright red bug on the floor like the rest.  At 8 weeks old.

The other two inherited the Bengal tendency to completely fixate on one person, compounded by the bottle-baby imprinting.  The male (the one with a spot next to his nose) is imprinted on my daughter, the grey and white one on me.  The alien infiltrator actually attached herself to my wife's flamepoint fluffball (who protected her from the other cats), and has only recently started looking to humans for affection.

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Reply #54 on: February 25, 2009, 03:35:43 PM

I miss my kitties. cry

Mojave was like Numtini's cat.  He was raised indoors, and was terrified of going outside at first, but he was determined to go explore it.  Once he had a taste of it I could not keep him inside.  His biggest failing was he wanted to be friends with all the neighborhood cats.  They could be throwing a fit and he would still try to nuzzle them.  The big doofus got so many bad wounds from doing that.  He had the most beautiful tan-colored tabby coat.

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Reply #55 on: February 25, 2009, 04:34:19 PM

i always wanted an Ocelot.  had a friend that had one...huge, kick ass kitties.

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Reply #56 on: February 25, 2009, 05:50:47 PM

My brother and his cat getting ready for some skiing.. not particularly earth shattering, but hey there is my brother, and there is his Cat! and it does say "cat thread" up top awesome, for real


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Reply #57 on: February 25, 2009, 06:10:18 PM

Keeping animals as pets that were meant to be wild is such a bad idea.  The minute someone complains, you chance having it taken away and destroyed.  I've read of entire wolf hybrid litters to be destroyed because people complained or authorities just decided it was too risky.  Even in places where there's no exact law against it. There are quite a few cat breeds that look like their wild relatives and need a home and are 100% domesticated.  Bobcats and lynxes have to be mostly hidden away.  You can't really chance them becoming aggressive with people - and you can't predict when they will.  It seems that owning a wild animal is an more of an ego thing and might be wonderful unless you're the animal.

PS  Righ and I both love Bengals.  If we hadn't decided on rescues, that's what we would have gone for.  I even checked to see if there were any Bengal rescues available in our area. 

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Reply #58 on: February 25, 2009, 06:25:23 PM

There are some wild-domestic hybrids (the Bengal is one, crossbred with an Asia Leopard Cat) that get considerably larger than normal domestic cats, conserve some of the less dangerous wild cat behavior (such as Bengal dog-like imprinting and dominance behavior), and won't get yanked by Animal Control.  Bengal (Asian Leopard Cat), Safari (Geoffrey's Cat) and Savannah (African Serval) are the most common, but there are some others, plus second-order hybrids created by mixing those (some of which wind up insanely large, 40 pounds or so).  There are also some that are re-domesticated feral strains that were wild long enough to become very distinct from domestic cats (Scottish Wildcat and Maine Coon in particular).

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Reply #59 on: February 25, 2009, 06:50:13 PM

I had a "friend" who owned some form of hybrid cat. I want to say lynx but i am not certain. The cat hat a bobbed tail and wasnt heavier than some normal cats. It was stocky and compact but not overly large. It also just happened to be completely fucking feral.

There was no playing around without blood being drawn. It could run up your leg/chest to get at your face so fast that if you weren't ready for it you were fucked.. Was the most badass animal ever. It held back and never really tried to kill a person but was ALWAYS in destroy mode.

Ive refrained from pets untill they have long term area to mess around in. While there are benefits to having indoor animals i find it slightly fucked up to do so. They wanna be free (very rare for a cat to hate outside).
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Reply #60 on: February 25, 2009, 06:58:41 PM

Sounds like a it was part Lynx/Bobcat.  Fairly rare, generally sterile mules, and known for their aggression.  We had one when I was young, sucker tried to bite my tongue out (and I was number 3 on his list of "humans I tolerate").  He used to bring home rattlesnakes (usually dead, but not always) and rode a Great Dane through the center of town because it had taken his favorite sunning spot.

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Reply #61 on: February 25, 2009, 07:09:42 PM

Can a lynx and a domesticated cat mate naturally? Because i want to say this cat was not bought from a breeder and was a product of a pregnant house cat. But i cant recall. Such an awesome looking animal, giant ass paws,tufts of hair on his ears.If only they would chill the fuck out sometimes and be petted.

Its amazing how much stronger pound for pound wild animals are to men. That cat could easily cause serious injury even if you were prepared to battle it. How exactly does a cat almost bite off your tongue?!
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Reply #62 on: February 25, 2009, 07:18:26 PM

They can, but it has to be a large female domestic and small male lynx (any other way, one of them will wind up dead).  Scamper's mother was a barn cat, mostly Maine Coon (so halfway to feral herself) and pretty big.  Scamper "only" weighed about 20 pounds and took after his mother physically (ear tufts were the only lynx-like physical sign, and Maine Coons often have something similar but smaller, his tail was short but not bobbed, and fully furred like a Maine Coon).  He bit my tongue because I was blowing in his face and laughing at the reaction, he dived into my mouth mid-laugh, his teeth were about midway back and I don't know how he could breathe (maybe he couldn't, he did let go after a minute or so).

Only people he acted like a cat to were my grandmother, my cousin, and sometimes me.  Anybody else was risking fingers if they tried to pet him or pick him up (he never did that to me, but if I tried to carry him around he'd get pissed).  My step-brother was definitely *not* on the list, which annoyed him because Scamper was supposed to be his cat.  At 15-16 years old he finally ran into a pack of dogs he had gotten too old and slow to beat.

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Reply #63 on: February 25, 2009, 07:21:14 PM

He died as he lived a complete badass.
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Reply #64 on: February 26, 2009, 01:20:55 AM

He bit my tongue because I was blowing in his face and laughing at the reaction, he dived into my mouth mid-laugh, his teeth were about midway back and I don't know how he could breathe (maybe he couldn't, he did let go after a minute or so).

Fucking hell! Feline Chuck Norris ffs.

And cheers for the food advice Signe :)   Gonna order some stuff today and see if they'll eat it, and if they do I'm going to throw the rest of that 3kg sack of IAMS away!

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Reply #65 on: February 26, 2009, 11:39:02 AM

Don't throw it away, transition them.  Abrupt changes in diet could cause them some problems.

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Reply #66 on: February 26, 2009, 01:00:01 PM

Can a lynx and a domesticated cat mate naturally? Because i want to say this cat was not bought from a breeder and was a product of a pregnant house cat. But i cant recall. Such an awesome looking animal, giant ass paws,tufts of hair on his ears.If only they would chill the fuck out sometimes and be petted.

Its amazing how much stronger pound for pound wild animals are to men. That cat could easily cause serious injury even if you were prepared to battle it. How exactly does a cat almost bite off your tongue?!

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Reply #67 on: February 26, 2009, 01:22:51 PM

Here's Macbeth and Othello.  We got them at a shelter 3 years back.  Macbeth is a Maine Coon and is pretty much completely fixated on me.  Othello is just an attention whore for any passing warm body.  Both weigh about 15 pounds, with Macbeth being slightly larger.  Not sure what they're staring at in this picture.



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Reply #68 on: February 26, 2009, 01:38:21 PM

I've seen a guy at the mall near my house a few times with this beast of an cat on a leash (Southern California malls are mostly outdoors, so tons of people bring their dogs for a walk...and I guess cats). The first few times I saw him I was thinking, "Why is he wandering aimlessly around the mall with his cat on a leash?" and then later discovered it was a $35,000 cat. I guess he was cruising for chicks with it like a BMW. The cat totally hated him too, he was doing that passive aggressive preening thing every time the guy wasn't tugging on the leash getting it to follow him.
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Reply #69 on: February 26, 2009, 01:56:16 PM

I don't really get people who spend big money on 'lifestyle' ego pets when there's so many that desperately need a home.

Not that I need to go out and find pets, they seem to adopt em no matter what I do. 3 damned kittens here now, I've found homes for 2 of them.
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