lac
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I don't know how far ccp can trace isk streams but this should provide some additional  &  |
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Eve is an awesome spectator sport
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THIS IS THE MOST I HAVE EVERY WANTED TO GET IN TO A BETA
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Raging Turtle
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Eve is an awesome spectator sport
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tazelbain
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Instead of banning IRL, they should they should bring it all in game. Basically have CONCORD seize their assets and routinuely grief/pod the hell out of them until the quit. RP the banning.
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Nerf
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Banning IRL is a great idea, I fully support CCP funded hitmen
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IainC
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kildorn
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Banning IRL is a great idea, I fully support CCP funded hitmen
This is CCP. Do you REALLY want to give that bunch of clowns guns? |
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Soln
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the opportunity for evil is just delicious
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has that official economist for Eve popped up yet? This + whole Iceland financial debacle + official economist for Eve =  |
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Sparky
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has that official economist for Eve popped up yet? This + whole Iceland financial debacle + official economist for Eve = If, even with database access, he somehow didn't notice that reactions were appearing out of thin air without a corresponding drain on moon minerals then he wouldn't be fit to work in an American bank. |
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If, even with database access, he somehow didn't notice that reactions were appearing out of thin air without a corresponding drain on moon minerals then he wouldn't be fit to work in an American bank would be fit to be CEO of a major Wall Street finance division, complete with $200 million golden parachute.
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THIS IS THE MOST I HAVE EVERY WANTED TO GET IN TO A BETA
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Simond
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To be fair, the next topic that was supposed to be raised by their pet economist was POSes, moon-mining et al so it is not totally outside the bounds of possibility that he was the one who found this.
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Endie
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To be fair, the next topic that was supposed to be raised by their pet economist was POSes, moon-mining et al so it is not totally outside the bounds of possibility that he was the one who found this.
Nah, it was petitioned a few days ago. |
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has that official economist for Eve popped up yet? This + whole Iceland financial debacle + official economist for Eve = If, even with database access, he somehow didn't notice that reactions were appearing out of thin air without a corresponding drain on moon minerals then he wouldn't be fit to work in an American bank. They teach bankers about moon prospecting now? |
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Sparky
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has that official economist for Eve popped up yet? This + whole Iceland financial debacle + official economist for Eve = If, even with database access, he somehow didn't notice that reactions were appearing out of thin air without a corresponding drain on moon minerals then he wouldn't be fit to work in an American bank. They teach bankers about moon prospecting now? I hope they teach them how a balance sheet works |
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NiX
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Have they named names or they keeping a lid on it? Tired of reading Joe go off about nothing.
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lac
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Pezzle
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It is stupidly easy for ccp to come up with the absolute maximum those high end moons could produce and thus figure out material availability. A cross check on this failing is...
If this was an exploit further back than recent patches? EVE < EQ in patching long standing exploits?
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Sir T
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AA and BOB seem to be working overtime tarring every old enemy that they can with this. Their latest target is G http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=945978&page=1#2Posted an image of an eve search that says Kieron could you check your email (I know you receive loads and are quite busy because our corp suffered from POS exploit some time ago. We petioned the event with quite a bit of evidence (fraps, howto).
The GM closed the petition while providing another "solution" for the events. This caused a lot of frustration. Their solution isn't possible the given game mechanics. A second unanswered petition is still going this ages without answer while the first was lost...
Now some days ago the same exploit happened again with another G POS.
Well you can guess that we are a bit frustrated since we provided information how it happened while we get told something that doesn't even work.
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PS: I won't go into the details because it would just get the thread locked. But someone dug and replied here http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=945978&page=2#50Sorry to pull you back onto the ground of solid facts.
That post mentioned was about SHIPS REIMBURSEMENT because people lost ships inside pos. People could target from the outside (passive targetter, anyone?) and then shoot through the pos shields.
THAT is the topic about. That's why the post mentions that "corp suffered from POS exploit" and not something like 'corp gained from pos exploit'.
That post has NOTHING to do with pos reactions and moon materials AT ALL!
Capiche? Which of course was why they only posted an image so that the Eve Search full thread could not be easily traced. So yeah. Don't worry that eve search will be bandied about as proof that G were cheaters and admitted it even back then without the clarification ever acknowledged. Incidentally there are rumors flying that people got wind of this coming down by accident or design and reconfigured their POSes before the bans hit so they no longer used this bug, and therefore escaped. Which would indicate the same old story for... alliances that have been proven to have unacceptable closeness to the GM dept... |
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Hic sunt dracones.
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Sir T
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Actually I'll just post where I got the rumour http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=945978&page=2#35Viper ShizzIe Posted - 2008.12.12 02:16:00 - [35] - Quote Originally by: Maltroc
In the same system we are in ,another allianze had a secret
But now they have changed the posfitting quickly.
And nobody banned. Couple hours later: [16:12] <B> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <B> aswell [16:13] <M> LOL [16:13] <M> bahaha [16:13] <M> eddz down [16:13] <B> no apparently [16:13] <B> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <B> before this hit EDIT: Added a bit of clarity and cleaned up the logs. |
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Ironwood
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If Online Drama were a TV Series, CCP would be the producers of The Wire.
If only they could manage positive interest in the same way they draw it negatively.
Compelling story. When's Krugman signing up to EVE ?
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mutantmagnet
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Eve is an awesome spectator sport
God yes. Nobody does drama like CCP Best game I don't have to play. Metal Gear Solid is a very distant second. |
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Ingmar
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I await the video diary from design blaming it on broken 'coder code'.
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The Transcendent One: AH... THE ROGUE CONSTRUCT.
Nordom: Sense of closure: imminent.
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mutantmagnet
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CCP doesn't have that type of sense of humor. I actually wish they did. Players would love to see someone getting pie in their face.
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Gets
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Seems you haven't seen what happened after the boot.ini issue. |
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Morat20
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To be fair, the next topic that was supposed to be raised by their pet economist was POSes, moon-mining et al so it is not totally outside the bounds of possibility that he was the one who found this.
It's only the one guy, and I got the impression that he kinda had a two-fold job: Economic consultant for EVE (IE: Check into the things we ask you to check, to make sure our market is running smoothly) and personal research ("Use the data from EVE as the basis for your own research into artificial markets"). If the exploit was only a few days old, or he simply hadn't been tasked with the right stuff from EVE, he might not have ever run the proper analysis -- or it might have been run with data before the exploit was in use (or widespread use), etc. I don't know offhand how big the EVE economy is, no one knows how long this went on or how much was made, so....hard to say if he should have spotted it or not. |
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Jayce
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According to the story, the exploit was from 2004.
However, also according to the story, they petitioned it immediately and it got summarily closed, then (oh so unfair) they were banned for it years later. So the story could be mostly concocted vOv
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Witty banter not included.
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Thrawn
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So had this all effected the market much yet other then driving up ferrogel prices briefly, or is it still too early to tell?
Is this likely to effect the prices of other things, such as high end minerals?
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Reg
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I had to pay about 40k each for sustained shield emitters in Jita on the weekend and normally I pay 30.
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lac
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Since people started stockpiling ferrogel as soon as the news broke and at this point nobody has an idea how much this will influence prices in the long run, it seems only normal all ferrogel derived products went up in price.
I wouldn't be surprised if the actual supply of duped ferrogel was but a fraction of the total amount traded and the few guys involved didn't milk this on an industrial scale for all those years but wisely chose to remain under the radar and use the free isk to fund some fancy ships, a couple of moms and maybe their titan.
If I'm right in that assumption, we are only talking about a couple of hundred billion isk, spread over multiple years. That's peanuts in the global eve economy.
All this talk about the 'grandeur' of the dupe and that 'every piece of t2 gear had some duped ferrogel in it' came from one of the dupers after he was banned, he wouldn't be the first eve scammer to exaggerate the scale of his antics under the guise of openness after he got caught.
I'm hoping for a nice graph detailing the impact of the dupe in the next pdf dr eve economist releases. Too bad CCP can't do it now (should they want to) without influencing the markets directly.
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lac
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CCP: Council of Stellar Management Minutes Regarding Exploit - 14 December 2008EyjoG was able to confirm exploits starting in March 2008, with the bulk of it becoming operational in May/June 2008. CCP is in the process of restoring older data and will mine that data for further information over the next two weeks. EyjoG noted that the reason it wasn’t detected sooner was that the exploit wasn’t started on a grand scale until this year, so the effect on the economy came gradually. EyjoG stated that the exact numbers weren’t known currently, but will be part of the entire investigation. Diagoras provided the rough estimates: Roughly 35% of the Ferrogel market. He noted that that is a very rough and an early figure that needs further analysis. EyjoG noted that CCP have already said that they expect this to impact the market, and data in Jita shows the impact already. However, they plan to let the market settle a little more before they give out estimates as there is a lot of speculation occurring currently and the market needs to settle. The impact on the economy is significant; overall they are expecting this generated a few trillion isk. As a comparison, the daily trade on average in EVE through the market for all items is 3 trillion isk. So it’s significant, but not catastrophic.
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JoeTF
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Few tryllion isk. Welp! And it's not BoB, but those cheating northern monkeys! |
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Fordel
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You weren't joking sir.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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