"Tonight, Tonight" is the best song of the 90s.

[voodoolily]

On all points, CLEARLY the winner is Meatloaf's I Would Do Anything For Love. 

[JWIV]

On all points, CLEARLY the winner is Meatloaf's I Would Do Anything For Love. 

Or how about a shirtless Iggy Pop?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4v4DXLqm48

[schild]

Schild said, "We didn't think about it" is a solid argument.  It is neither solid nor an argument.  This thread is like the Nuremberg trial for Bad Music. 


"And Dr. Goebbels, can you explain why you claimed that "Hit Me Baby, One More Time" was the greatest song produced in the 90s?"

"Vell, zere iz ze young lady, and ze catolic skool girl outifit and ze seductive lyrics... ze gyrating and groaning..."

"But, Dr. Goebbels, Ace of Base's "Don't Turn Around" is a demonstrably superior piece of music!  How can you deny this?!"

...

"Ve didn't think about it?"

Way to miss the point and go wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off the grid. Sir, I do believe that right there, is why we're told never to go full retard.

[Sky]

The 00s has already been won, btw. Johnny Cash - Hurt.

For the 90s:

Cher - Believe
Elton John - Candle in the Wind 1997
Los Del Rio - Macarena
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise
Seal - Kiss From A Rose
All 4 One - I Swear
Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You
Tag Team - Whoomp There It Is
Boyz 2 Men - End of the Road
Sir Mix-A-Lot - Baby Got Back
Bryan Adams - Everything I Do
Sinead - Nothing Compares 2 U
Britney - Hit Me Baby One More Time

I'd lean to Sir Mix-A-Lot or Boyz 2 Men.

[schild]

The 00s has already been won, btw. Johnny Cash - Hurt.

While one of my favorite fucking things EVER, I disagree, sadly. As his opus was obviously When The Man Comes Around. ;)

Funny how Sky put Kiss from a Rose also.

Tag Team is a pretty decent call. Rap videos were such trash in the 90s (not counting California Love and Crossroads). Also, I think they were all way overly produced. Hell, they eventually led to Akon. >_>

[HaemishM]

I'll play by the rules.  Closer is not a good candidate because it is a mediocre song with a fantastic video.

I submit March of the Pigs.

You are high. I like March, but Closer is just a better song AND video on every conceivable level. Even the copious remixes Reznor did to Closer were better than March.

Tonight, Tonight is not a song good enough on any level to be called best song of the '90's. As I said before, 1979 was a better song and video, IMO, but really, Pumpkins were highly overrated as a band. November Rain embodies more of the late '80's last gasp of pomposity before Axl Rose went completely batshit. And early '90's is so much different than mid-to-late '90's in tone and character. Shit, I'd say that Green Day's "Longview" was a better representation or even "Basket Case" than anything the Pumpkins did. Those were the last gasp of well-produced (as in not overproduced to the point of death) albums before the corporate machines ate up music and shat back out the boy bands of the late '90's. Hell, for music and video of the decade, I'd say that Backstreet Boys "Larger than Life" was the perfect embodiment of what the decade became for music. Horribly overproduced with a video that had nothing to do with the song, but had incredible visuals.

[schild]

Tonight, Tonight is not a song good enough on any level to be called best song of the '90's.

Backstreet Boys "Larger than Life" was the perfect embodiment of what the decade became for music.

[IainC]

Why are people haolding up November Rain as the ne plus ultra of GnR ballads? Patience is a zillion times better in every respect.

[schild]

Why are people haolding up November Rain as the ne plus ultra of GnR ballads? Patience is a zillion times better in every respect.

Because like me, they don't want Tonight, Tonight to be the answer to the question.

[stray]

Man, fuck a ballad. If anything, don't choose a ballad.

That's all I'll say from now on.

[Sky]

Stray is not in touch with his feminine side.

I'm touching my feminine side right now.

[Righ]

Because like me, they don't want Tonight, Tonight to be the answer to the question.

You're not winning the argument that it is. So far you've said that it has the best music, lyrics, production, video and everything else put together than all other songs in the 1990s. People have refuted that. You've simply restated that it is. It's the neo-con method of argument - ignore all evidence to the contrary and repeat the lie until enough people who are hard of thinking agree with you.

Tonight, Tonight is a mediocre song, with terrible terrible lyrics, gross and incompetent production and poor engineering married up to a decent video. To even suggest that its more than that is risible.

[stray]

Stray is not in touch with his feminine side.

I'm touching my feminine side right now.

epic ballads need balls, yes.  

along the lines of danzig's sistinas, jane's addiction - three days, or morrissey - you're the one for me, fatty. lol

[Sky]

Tonight, Tonight is a mediocre song, with terrible terrible lyrics, gross and incompetent production and poor engineering married up to a decent video. To even suggest that its more than that is risible.

All the while protesting that Smells Like Teen Spirit is not the correct choice. Grunge changed the face of pop rock music in the 90s, quite drastically and quickly. Most modern musicians cite that album as an influence, most people owned a copy.

Smashing Pumpkins? Barely a blip on the radar of influence on their genre or musicians. I have Gish but I still only know the names of the singer and guitarist, no idea who played drums or bass in the band. They were a passingly decent band that will has had little to no impact on rock in the 00s.

[HaemishM]

Tonight, Tonight is not a song good enough on any level to be called best song of the '90's.

Backstreet Boys "Larger than Life" was the perfect embodiment of what the decade became for music.

Which is reflection of what I think about '90's music - it all went to complete and utter shit. I can't think of a late '90's song that was worth two fucks that wasn't written by Trent Reznor.

[schild]

Grunge changed the face of rock only for the 90s. Shit is fucking dead. Deader than James Brown. Speaking of...

Best song without a video is Don Was' "I Feel Better than James Brown."

[Sky]

Grunge changed the face of rock only for the 90s. Shit is fucking dead.

I forgot my #2 f13 rule, don't discuss music with schild. My #1 rule is don't discuss gaming with schild 

[schild]

Grunge changed the face of rock only for the 90s. Shit is fucking dead.

I forgot my #2 f13 rule, don't discuss music with schild. My #1 rule is don't discuss gaming with schild 

That's an interesting way to admit I'm right. Also, you know for a fact grunge existed before Nirvana. The whole Seattle scene existed before Nirvana, it's a shame they were the ones to get the most airtime though.

[stray]

i can't help but think that jack white took some cues from kurt cobain, with the really hushed verses, and distorted anthemic choruses.. not that kurt was the only one to do that (john lennon was big on it.. robin zander too.. which, in turn, was one reason why some see lennon/zander-cobain similarities too).

anyhow, as big as they were, i don't see that much in influence with nirvana's sound per se. i think punk followed in the way of the descendants and green day -- except in whiny ways (blink 182, good charlotte, etc), i saw metal follow straight in the footsteps of prong -- everything metal sounded like prong for awhile there, by way of korn. hell, a lot of shit that was great didn't have much influence in later sound. gangsta rap, and just aggressive rap, flat out died. later on, you were either sounding like booty-calling-dirty south shit, or you were all positive bay area jurassic 5 like.

[Soln]

Grunge changed the face of rock only for the 90s. Shit is fucking dead.

I forgot my #2 f13 rule, don't discuss music with schild. My #1 rule is don't discuss gaming with schild 

That's an interesting way to admit I'm right. Also, you know for a fact grunge existed before Nirvana. The whole Seattle scene existed before Nirvana, it's a shame they were the ones to get the most airtime though.

All I know is that it’s largely true that “Grunge was just bad Neil Young”.

[stray]

damn the last time i read that i thought you said "as bas AS neil young" - which pissed me off ;)

but yeah, you're very correct

[Sky]

Blues existed before SRV. SRV changed blues forever. Blues is dead.

You're being purposely difficult, which is why I haven't been posting in this thread more. My mistake.

YOU ARE SO CORRECT. There, feel better?

Later, thread.

[schild]

i can't help but think that jack white took some cues from kurt cobain, with the really hushed verses, and distorted anthemic choruses.. not that kurt was the only one to do that (john lennon was big on it.. robin zander too.. which, in turn, was one reason why some see lennon/zander-cobain similarities too).

Would make sense since Jack White constantly creates horrible sounding trash. He very easily wins the award for most overrated musician in the current decade. Though as far as bands go, I find the love for bands like TV on the Radio and Arcade Fire to be more annoying. Though, truly, White Stripes and Raconteur are shit shit shit.

anyhow, as big as they were, i don't see that much in influence with nirvana's sound per se. i think punk followed in the way of the descendants and green day -- except in whiny ways (blink 182, good charlotte, etc), i saw metal follow straight in the footsteps of prong -- everything metal sounded like prong for awhile there, by way of korn. hell, a lot of shit that was great didn't have much influence in later sound. gangsta rap, and just aggressive rap, flat out died. later on, you were either sounding like booty-calling-dirty south shit, or you were all positive bay area jurassic 5 like.

Grunge was insular and didn't really evolve from where it started. Folks like Sky will never admit that, and that's cool. But it still sounds the exact fucking same. It diverged a bit and merged with metal on some sides and pop on the other, but a big influence? Nah. There's more important folks and bands out there doing more important things than recording melodically sloppy 3 minute ballads about how hard their life is in a monosyllabic grunting tone.

[schild]

YOU ARE SO CORRECT. There, feel better?

I feel better than James Brown.

[stray]

horrible sounding trash.

best kind of music ever bud ;) especially when it's produced by guitars

speaking of which, here's some perfect 90's trash to add to the mix

Jesus Lizard 

[IainC]

I've made up my own criteria which I refuse to explain but they prove beyond argument that 'We're Going to Ibiza' by The Vengaboys is the best song ever written. Just so you know. Should I start my own thread?

[schild]

I've made up my own criteria which I refuse to explain but they prove beyond argument that 'We're Going to Ibiza' by The Vengaboys is the best song ever written. Just so you know. Should I start my own thread?

This dude wants to have a word with you and your "opinion."

[Soln]

I've made up my own criteria which I refuse to explain but they prove beyond argument that 'We're Going to Ibiza' by The Vengaboys is the best song ever written. Just so you know. Should I start my own thread?

madness, utter delirium:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU2yt6wOoK0  (6 Flags commercial)

[HaemishM]

I've made up my own criteria which I refuse to explain but they prove beyond argument that 'We're Going to Ibiza' by The Vengaboys is the best song ever written. Just so you know. Should I start my own thread?

This dude wants to have a word with you and your "opinion."

WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT??!?!?!?!1!!!! 

[ahoythematey]

I like March of the Pigs, but you are fucking bananas if you think it's better than Closer.  That song was everywhere and it's video is slick as hell.

I also like how so many keep mentioning Radiohead but don't even bother throwing a contender into the ring.  The obvious choice would be Karma Police.

[Wasted]

I've made up my own criteria which I refuse to explain but they prove beyond argument that 'We're Going to Ibiza' by The Vengaboys is the best song ever written. Just so you know. Should I start my own thread?

This dude wants to have a word with you and your "opinion."

WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT??!?!?!?!1!!!! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampires_Are_Alive for people too lazy to google.  Its the wrong decade.

Barbie girl by Aqua was the better party song 

And Grunge, especially Nirvana, was important because people think it is important, thats all the qualification you need in a subjective scale.  That it was the emo of the 90's is probably pretty apt but that doesn't change the influence it had and opinions still held today.

[fuser]

I was one of those britpop fags, umm sidenote checkout Phonogram if you were a fan...
Oasis - Supersonic
Blur - The universal
Echobelly - Great things
Elastica - Connection
Pulp - This is hardcore
I'm shocked at today's pop.

I listened to a lot of fun techno
Dj Shadow - Building steam with a grain of salt
Chemical Brothers - Life is sweet (where's my whistle)
Orbital - Halcyon (Illuminate came too late)
Dune - Can't stop raving fucking dune.. fucking happy hardcore...


You know what... best song I'd recommend from the 90's is Dr Octagon - Blue flowers that whole CD is full of win....

[stray]

/bobs head

half shark alligator half man 

[Johny Cee]

The 00s has already been won, btw. Johnny Cash - Hurt.

While one of my favorite fucking things EVER, I disagree, sadly. As his opus was obviously When The Man Comes Around. ;)

The Dawn of the Dead titles montage to When the Man Comes Around is pure win.


I've always been partial to Johnny Cash's Rusty Cage.  I am a Soundgarden mark, though.

[Wasted]

Johnny Cash's "Hurt" is on par with Shatner's "Common People".  Its all about the novelty