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Reply #5670 on: August 30, 2017, 03:26:09 PM

Tbh on tv we didn't see him get outsmarted at all. Sansa just decided to kill him and apparently got Royce on board off screen. As Royce always hated Littlefinger that wasn't very hard I imagine.

Littlefinger's hold over the Vale is based on his control of Robin Arryn and the knights' loyalty to Robin, Royce originally refused to follow Littlefinger until Littlefinger had Arryn threaten Royce. It always seemed ridiculous for tv Littlefinger to have left Robin in the Vale as it opened him up to the utter contempt Royce has always held for Baelish.

We never saw sansa or bran outmaneuver him.

It was a neat scene played well without any of the groundwork or clever plotting that might have made it interesting.

My main emotion was relief that we weren't going to be subjected to another emo-sister sequence.



Apparently there was a scene that got cut but it was the sansa vs arya thing coming to a head only to have bran interject a lot of truth bombs about littlefinger and how he was tied to every terrible thing that has happened.  Kinda sad they cut it because bran being useful instead of just weird and cryptic would have been a nice change.

I agree.  Not only would it really demonstrate Bran's usefulness to both the audience and to the Stark girls, but it would also show how close Littlefinger really came to alienating Sansa from the rest of her family and placing her in his control.
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Reply #5671 on: August 30, 2017, 03:29:04 PM

Random thought: Cersei's little unborn child possibly Cthulu monster kills her during pregnancy"

"You have three kids, all of whom will die. Then the fourth will kill you and be born stillborn, because you are a heinous bitch and also it's ironic because that's why your Mom died and why you hate Tyrion. You lose."



Her current pregnancy is definitely a valonqar so prophecies check out.

Also neatly foreshadowed by Joanna's death.

I don't buy it though.



Book Jamie with the hand's chain of office, in the bedroom.

TV Jamie with his golden hand, in the map room.  

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Reply #5672 on: August 30, 2017, 03:30:55 PM

Tbh on tv we didn't see him get outsmarted at all. Sansa just decided to kill him and apparently got Royce on board off screen. As Royce always hated Littlefinger that wasn't very hard I imagine.

Littlefinger's hold over the Vale is based on his control of Robin Arryn and the knights' loyalty to Robin, Royce originally refused to follow Littlefinger until Littlefinger had Arryn threaten Royce. It always seemed ridiculous for tv Littlefinger to have left Robin in the Vale as it opened him up to the utter contempt Royce has always held for Baelish.

We never saw sansa or bran outmaneuver him.

It was a neat scene played well without any of the groundwork or clever plotting that might have made it interesting.

My main emotion was relief that we weren't going to be subjected to another emo-sister sequence.



Apparently there was a scene that got cut but it was the sansa vs arya thing coming to a head only to have bran interject a lot of truth bombs about littlefinger and how he was tied to every terrible thing that has happened.  Kinda sad they cut it because bran being useful instead of just weird and cryptic would have been a nice change.

I agree.  Not only would it really demonstrate Bran's usefulness to both the audience and to the Stark girls, but it would also show how close Littlefinger really came to alienating Sansa from the rest of her family and placing her in his control.

And would have turned sansa / arya into an arc rather than two daft and contradictory scenes.

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Reply #5673 on: August 30, 2017, 05:25:29 PM

I've said this before, but one of the problems they have right now is that the books don't fill stuff in anymore. Before you could get the backstory of X character from the books and that could fill in the inadequacies of the shows narrative. Conversely the writers could point at the books and get a sense of what scenes should look like, or they could just abridge scenes from the books. That's pretty much easymode writing.

The shortened timeframe they have now is not helping either of course.

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Reply #5674 on: August 30, 2017, 05:53:45 PM

The thing about the books giving us necessary backstory simply isn't true up to the blackwater, and arguably not until the red wedding. They made good decisions on cuts but left plenty of meat on the bones.

If you go back and look at the care taken through to the middle of season 3  it is unrecognisable compared to season 5 through 7.

The thing I Iiked about the last episode this year is how it mostly evoked the early episodes where characters just talk to each other in rooms trying to figure each other out.


You are completely correct that the show writers obviously can't do their jobs well without the books.

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Reply #5675 on: August 30, 2017, 05:57:19 PM

Good points

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Reply #5676 on: August 30, 2017, 11:26:57 PM

If you go back and look at the care taken through to the middle of season 3  it is unrecognisable compared to season 5 through 7.

To be fair, everything after the Red Wedding in the books is mostly shit too.

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Reply #5677 on: August 31, 2017, 08:54:21 AM

To be fair, everything after the Red Wedding in the books is mostly shit too.

Arya saw it, ragequit and moved to Bravos just like half of Twitter.
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Reply #5678 on: August 31, 2017, 01:30:22 PM

I can't argue since A Dance with Dragons was a 1000 page meandering dog turd of a book ending with the cliffhanger of Jon Snow dying.  It seemed like the ultimate in lazy plotting to throw a character death in there at the end when everyone knew it was going to be reversed later.

That was five years after the previous book.  Here it is five years after that and we are still waiting.
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Reply #5679 on: August 31, 2017, 01:56:16 PM

6 years.
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Reply #5680 on: September 01, 2017, 04:44:47 AM

I think this Wisecrack's video pretty much matches my opinion of the 7th season.
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Reply #5681 on: September 01, 2017, 07:28:07 AM

GRRM has been saying he is hopeful that 1 of WoW or his asoiaf history book will be ready by end of next year.

Would suggest his minimum WoW estimate is up to 7.5 years.

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Reply #5682 on: September 01, 2017, 01:54:06 PM

GRRM has been saying he is hopeful that 1 of WoW or his asoiaf history book will be ready by end of next year.

Would suggest his minimum WoW estimate is up to 7.5 years.

Which means there is zero chance he finishes the last book before he croaks.

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Reply #5683 on: September 01, 2017, 02:39:28 PM

At this point I just relegated his books as fan-fiction.  The HBO show is the story.

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Reply #5684 on: September 01, 2017, 02:48:50 PM

If the show was as good as season 1 and 2, or even 3 and 4, I could understand that.

But feast and dance have issues but are nowhere near as silly as seasons 5 and 7 in particular. Season 6 gets a pass because of the final two Sapochnik episodes.

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Reply #5685 on: September 02, 2017, 01:24:07 AM

I submit that the distinct lack of T&A - which has really been trending downward the last several seasons - needs to be addressed going forward. 


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Reply #5686 on: September 02, 2017, 01:38:03 AM

Agreed about the severe lack of sexposition.

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Reply #5687 on: October 01, 2017, 08:03:26 AM

Season 8 direction is being split between Nutter (red wedding), Sapochnik (hardhome, sept explosion) and Weiss/Benioff (various bad episodes).

Reasonably good news.

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Reply #5688 on: October 01, 2017, 09:04:04 AM

.......   you reference the other episodes for Sapochnik but not Battle of the Bastards? 

But yes, generally good news.  Hopefully they give all the filler episodes to Weiss/Benioff.

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Reply #5689 on: October 01, 2017, 09:24:31 AM

There's like 7 episodes total, or 6... don't remember. And its still fan fiction.

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