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lamaros
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I Claudius isn't historical drama, and ASoIaF is waaaaay more pulp than it. Historical fiction, yes, but they're not dramatic novels. Claudius is a comedy more than anything, and GoT is firmly in the fantasy genre.
I understand what you're trying to say, but it's almost like arguing that Hammett isn't genre pulp but closer to Henry James. In one sense you're right, in that it is much better written in many regards, but the base conventions are still in genre fiction. You wouldn't really want to make a Hammett novel in to a TV series without babes and one-liners...
It doesn't really matter what something is based off historical event wise. To say that it should be played like a BBC drama because GRRM was inspired by the war of roses would be daft. What matters is how it is written. Anyone who has read the books can agree that they are not slow moving detailed character studies. What drives the books is the events and actions. And these events and actions are for the most part graphic, violent and fantastic.
Will fix up the spoilers.
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Margalis
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Literary fiction is quite obviously a genre to itself.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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lamaros
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Literary fiction is quite obviously a genre to itself.
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So, a grand total of like, 7 or 8 minutes of footage spliced together into trailers has made people think this is some stayed BBC period piece? And that there is no way it could be anything different because that footage "is proof that they are not true to the books"?  |
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lamaros
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All I said was I was underwhelmed and gave my reasons. Nothing about writing the show off or anything like that.
But hey, we could not talk about our impressions of the footage we have seen and let the thread idle for a few months instead I guess?
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Margalis
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The footage is underwhelming. If I didn't know it was Game of Thrones I would never have guessed. It's just medieval looking dudes doing normal things.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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The footage is underwhelming. If I didn't know it was Game of Thrones I would never have guessed. It's just medieval looking dudes doing normal things.
Thank you. And you cant tell me as a moneyhat HBO producer that you'd let said footage be the 1st impression most people got for... GoT. Two theories: Either it is what it is and will underwhelm as a show OR they just dont have enough footage beyond the beginning parts of the 1st book, which is a decidedly bland part of the story. The latter theory is somewhat troubling in that it means they're likely going to string along the series as much as possible, rather than pound you in the face with awesomesauce. |
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The series should start with the slaughter at the castle in Book 3(?) and then look backwards. Pull people in hard.
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You have to be attached to the characters before that really makes a large impact, though. The end of the first episode ("The things I do for love...") should grab plenty of attention.
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Margalis
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I just saw another preview on TV and it has a distinct shot-on-video look to it. Which is bad.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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« Last Edit: March 13, 2011, 06:20:02 PM by Lucas »
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" He's so impatient, it's like watching a teenager fuck a glorious older woman." - Ironwood on J.J. Abrams
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« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 09:38:17 AM by Lucas »
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" He's so impatient, it's like watching a teenager fuck a glorious older woman." - Ironwood on J.J. Abrams
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That Targaryen video almost makes Viserys an empathetic character.
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Lucas
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Video overload continues!
To the above post, I added the Jaime Lannister and Robb Stark profiles; also, there are two extended presentations (longer, new footage!) featuring the Targaryen, Lannister and Baratheon Houses. Finally, there is an extended version (longer, new footage!) of the "Invitation to Westeros" trailer (I put it as last under "Production - On Location)
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Awesome acting by Mark Addy in the above clip, IMO  REMINDER: Tonight on HBO, at 9pm EST, "sneak peek" of the pilot episode, the first fifteen minutes. The series will start on April 17th. It *should* be available shortly after on either: http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thronesor http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/And of course Youtube and other places, I imagine. |
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« Last Edit: April 03, 2011, 01:58:05 PM by Lucas »
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Not really interested in all these sneak peeks and shit, just want to see the first episode proper and go from there. I imagine it will be like the books, where it takes a while to find its stride and for people to realize that this is a lot more than just your stock standard sword and board tripe. Though it's been a while since I read the books, it will be interesting reaquainting myself with this world and the characters. Though it will be cool watching Peter Dinklage play Tyrion, as that's who I mentally envisioned in the part when I first read the books a few years ago. I imagined Liam Neeson as Eddard but honestly Sean Bean is not a bad second choice.
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Lucas
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Aaaand.....here it is! http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2011/4/3/exclusive-sneak-preview-watch-the-first-few-scenes-of-game-o.htmlFirst impression: the opening scene seemed a bit "off" to me: even though I know the detailed one from the book, and I realize they cannot translate it 100% on screen, it looked like it was somehow..."cut" and compressed, especially after Same sensation with the beginning scenes at Winterfell, for example the passage between Bran/Jon/Robb and the scene inside the keep with Arya and Sansa. But again, that is probably only because the book is quite fresh in my mind. ------------ Anyways, good sneak peek, the child actor playing Bran (Isaac Hempstead-Wright) was quite impressive in those beginning scenes. |
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It hit the major points it needed to, compressed or not. The biggest thing the Crows scene failed to do was relay the true power of the Others that the book did and how far away from the wall they actually were (I just looked, 8-9 days.). As for its lack of adherence to the actual scene, it worked better than an extended fight scene about characters we don't care about because they're meat.
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Lucas
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It hit the major points it needed to, compressed or not. The biggest thing the Crows scene failed to do was relay the true power of the Others that the book did and how far away from the wall they actually were (I just looked, 8-9 days.). As for its lack of adherence to the actual scene, it worked better than an extended fight scene about characters we don't care about because they're meat.
Yes, I agree, I think it pretty much conveyed the creepy feeling north of the wall and the weight on Ned's shoulders when he had to carry out the execution, basically the major points of the 15m "prologue". So far, so good. The only thing I really miss from the book is But again, impossible (and certainly not advised) to translate everything, especially if you consider that, at least for me, those 14 minutes really passed in a snap of fingers, and only about 45 minutes left to the end of the episode :( |
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Game of Thrones' author was pissed at the end of Lost, too"I kept watching it and I was fascinated. ... They'd introduce these things and I thought that I knew where it was going. Then they'd introduce [something new] and I'd rethink it. ... We watched it every week trying to figure it out, and as it got deeper and deeper I kept saying, 'They better have something good in mind for the end. This end better pay off here.' And then I felt so cheated when we got to the conclusion."
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He won't because I'm assuming he has an actual plotline that he knows. I've always assumed that in the end Dany comes back and reclaims the throne for her line, but whatever. In the end somebody takes over, wins, and the credits roll. That or the whole thing gets covered in ice. It's hard to fuck that up. He just gets to decide who lives and dies. In LOST, I still think the problem was that everyone guessed exactly what the real solution was really early on in the process, and the writers had to scramble to get around the fact they'd set the stage for them to end up in Purgatory. Writers: <pitch a show with a bunch of people on an island that's mysterious and a great setpiece for character development> Studio: Ok, but you better have a plan. Fans after three episodes: I bet they are all dead and the island is Purgatory Writers to fans: Nope, it's so much more than that! Writers to themselves: HOLY HELL THEY KNOW! Quick, toss in some crap about hippies and time travel! Stall, damn you, STALL! We'll figure it out as we go. I mean the fact that the actor playing Benjamin Linus wasn't even supposed to have a major role until he pulled off the acting job of a lifetime really tells you how much they were writing out of their asses. |
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lamaros
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He doesn't. He's said a number of times about how it was meant to be 3 books and it keeps changing and getting longer and he has to rewrite all sorts of characters and etc.
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He doesn't. He's said a number of times about how it was meant to be 3 books and it keeps changing and getting longer and he has to rewrite all sorts of characters and etc.
Extension is just a money ploy. I think he knows the ending. You always have a plan as a writer. What he doesn't know is how to get there, which is completely understandable. That's the hard part. You set the stage, you have the characters, and you know at the end X happens to close things out. LOST writers had X, panicked, and stalled. The SOIAF series doesn't have a mystery element to it, so whatever he decides will be fine as long as he can get there. If Jon Snow conquers all, that's fine. If Dany rises up and comes back, that's fine. If Westeros gets rolled by things from beyond the wall, that's fine too. Hell, if Tyrion becomes the new Mad King and has everyone he knows executed in a death-by-pudding, I could live with it. |
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So did Robert Jordan. Knowing how something is going to end, and moving the series in a sensible manner towards that end point are two different things. |
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This talk reminds me of a very popular Swedish soap opera that aired in the late nineties, a typical small town drama centered around a café. The final episode the writers went all out and had random terrorists blow the café into the air with all the major characters inside.
Now that's an ending.
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I imagine it will be like the books, where it takes a while to find its stride I just purchased all the books on Kindle (I am sooo weak), and was amazed at how quickly I got sucked into the book in the first few pages. GRRM has many deplorable qualities, but (at one point at least) he was a very good writer. Pretty sure that ship has sailed, but at least the series should prove interesting. This is my third or 4th pass through the books, but my first since AFFC was new. I am really picking up a lot more of the small details like . I think I read more closely on my Kindle, which is probably why I have really enjoyed reading books on it so far. |
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Well, I have read all four books released in this series and have really enjoyed them for the most part.
So now I have to decide to pony up for 3 months of HBO for this or not. Gah.
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Not. Just buy the DVD set if it gets good enough reviews here. It'll cost you less and there won't be the annoying delays between episodes. That's my plan at least.
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HBO is worth it, this is just one of many (hopefully) good shows. If I could just get HBO, Comedy Central, Cartoon Network, USA, and some History/Discover channels I'd be all set.
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The last "Making of..." before the show goes on air on April 17th. It's 25 minutes long, great stuff! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofPjpBVvEAFor those of you who know the books and watched other previews, here we have a variety of glimpses of new scenes; also, Osha, Shagga, Lysa Tully, Robert Arryn, the infamous "door" (which is a "pit" in the show); and also: we get to see more of the direwolves, the Wall from the south and more. |
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Not. Just buy the DVD set if it gets good enough reviews here. It'll cost you less and there won't be the annoying delays between episodes. That's my plan at least.
I don't think you will be saving much money...HBO DVDs are notoriously overpriced. If you got it for < $50 I would be surprised, which is about what 3 months of HBO would get you. That also gives you access to their entire On Demand library (at least on Comcast), so you could watch a lot of their other programming. I am still trying to find a WORKING (long story) full series set of The Wire for less than $120 if possible, and that is several years old by now. |
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Not. Just buy the DVD set if it gets good enough reviews here. It'll cost you less and there won't be the annoying delays between episodes. That's my plan at least.
I don't think you will be saving much money...HBO DVDs are notoriously overpriced. If you got it for < $50 I would be surprised, which is about what 3 months of HBO would get you. That also gives you access to their entire On Demand library (at least on Comcast), so you could watch a lot of their other programming. I am still trying to find a WORKING (long story) full series set of The Wire for less than $120 if possible, and that is several years old by now. Yes, this was kind of my calculation... $48 for 3 months.. a bonus is all the extra HBO stuff .. so yeah, gonna go for it. Thanks for the opinions in any case. |
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