Game of Thrones [SPOILERS]

[Viin]

Btw, here's the recap with point allocation: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/17/15979110/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-1-dragonstone-recap-fantasy-league

[Shannow]

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spoilers man, spoliers

[Ceryse]

Really enjoyed the episode, despite some parts veering heavily into yawn territory. That opening. Arya remains my favourite character; how can you hate such a cute sociopath gleefully ridding the show of such shit?

The Jon/Sansa stuff; god damn. Jon Snow actually had two moments of utter intelligence for once. I like the character, but.. 'smart' isn't generally something you can accuse him of being, yet here he made two smart calls. Surprised by the number of people online (such as in the points rewarded break-down article) shitting on Jon for his calls.

[eldaec]

Best first episode I can remember.

Proper level of urgency and wasn't just "hey remember this guy? He's still alive too".

Felt low scoring for anyone who didn't grab Arya though.

[Merusk]

I like the character, but.. 'smart' isn't generally something you can accuse him of being, yet here he made two smart calls. Surprised by the number of people online (such as in the points rewarded break-down article) shitting on Jon for his calls.

I'm not. There's a lot of authoritarian tendencies in people, and Sana's route plays into those. Punish the betrayers, they are a unit not individuals. Granted, hers comes from a concern about seeing her lose the last bits of her family and being super paranoid. (The subtext of all she's learned from Cersi)

I was on board with her at first, until Jon made his argument about punishing sons for father's sins. Some people lack introspection or the ability to walk-back a first instinct.

The Hound's redemption arc is getting epic. It's going to suck when he dies, because he's almost to the point he has to.

[HaemishM]

The Hound's redemption arc is getting epic. It's going to suck when he dies, because he's almost to the point he has to.

Very likely, but I expect it to be an expect death surrounded by hordes of zombies clinging to his body as he wields like a burning goddamn mace or some equally epic shit, or like swinging a dragon by its tail.

[Samwise]

Jon welcoming Alys Karstark back into the fold is a really interesting echo of Robb executing Rickard Karstark.  In both cases, not a popular decision (and made over the objections of a family member). 

I suspect Littlefinger is going to try to use it to sow dissension in the Northern ranks or something similarly ratfucky, and I hope what ends up happening instead is Alys saving Jon's life.

[schild]

Jon Snow is going to die and get turned.

(or he'll get lightbringer off Beric's corpse, kill reanimated Beric and the night king)

there is no middle ground

[MahrinSkel]

Points detail at The Verge.

Viin already got there. Teach me for not checking to see if I am on the last page.

--Dave

[lamaros]

Jon and Dany are the whole point of the series. It'll be a very brave choice to alter that.

[pants]

“I’ll tell you what doesn’t scare me: Bald cocksuckers like you. You think you’re fooling anyone with that ‘top knot?’ Bald cunt.”

Dear God I've missed The Hound.

[Teleku]

An episode where Jon Snow scores 10 points for wit, but Littlefinger scores zero on anything.  We're through the looking glass people!

[Ironwood]

“I’ll tell you what doesn’t scare me: Bald cocksuckers like you. You think you’re fooling anyone with that ‘top knot?’ Bald cunt.”

Dear God I've missed The Hound.

Yuuup.

[eldaec]

Jon welcoming Alys Karstark back into the fold is a really interesting echo of Robb executing Rickard Karstark.  In both cases, not a popular decision (and made over the objections of a family member).  

I suspect Littlefinger is going to try to use it to sow dissension in the Northern ranks or something similarly ratfucky, and I hope what ends up happening instead is Alys saving Jon's life.

Less interesting than you might think.

Book Alys explictly remained loyal to the Starks and ran off to the wall. A Karstark cousin who had effectively taken over the house wanted to marry her to legitimise his claim on the Karhold iirc.

Jon accepting her is just a reset to book status.

That said, TV Jon bothering to do this implies she has plot.

[pants]

Jon welcoming Alys Karstark back into the fold is a really interesting echo of Robb executing Rickard Karstark.  In both cases, not a popular decision (and made over the objections of a family member). 

I suspect Littlefinger is going to try to use it to sow dissension in the Northern ranks or something similarly ratfucky, and I hope what ends up happening instead is Alys saving Jon's life.

Less interesting than you might think.

Book Alys explictly remained loyal to the Starks and ran off to the wall. A Karstark cousin who had effectively taken over the housewanted to marry her to legitimise his claim on the Karhold iirc.

Jon accepting her is just a reset to book status.

That said, TV Jon bothering to do this implies she has plot.

The actors for Alys Karstark and whatisname Umber have a combined age of about 20.  So I sat there thinking "What is Littlefinger going to do to them?"...

[eldaec]

Maybe, but who would you back in a Littlefinger vs Lady Mormont smackdown?

I actually found the growing number of child lords less annoying than I thought I would. It feels like a fairly natural impact of the wars and has been handled well by various directors.

[kaid]

Maybe, but who would you back in a Littlefinger vs Lady Mormont smackdown?

I actually found the growing number of child lords less annoying than I thought I would. It feels like a fairly natural impact of the wars and has been handled well by various directors.

That and it helps that the actress playing lady mormont is doing a good job of giving a fierce gives no fucks spin on job. It is pretty accurate historically though too after major wars you wound up with some really young people "in charge" sometimes it was more defacto figure head sometimes they took the job and ran with it.

[Khaldun]

It's another place where the War of the Roses/100 Years War template is valuable, because there were points where that happened in those too--dynastic wars where members of the noble/royal line are actually getting killed rather than just captured and ransomed generally always drive dynastic houses towards one of four states: lots of children with regents; really obscure third-cousin-once-removed heirs; usurpations by lesser lineages; destruction of the fiefdom through absorption into a larger principality in part due to the lack of surviving heirs.

[Hoax]

The stuff at Winterfell was the best, all in all good ep. I almost ran straight to CK2 afterward. If anything it felt rushed compared to past seasons, I mean in a good way I guess but it felt very "dive right in, we have lots of people to kill and not a lot of time to do it". 

[Khaldun]

That was a pretty shitty episode.

Honestly, I was already annoyed with Euron magically building a huge deathfleet from stones and nothing, but

[HaemishM]

I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

[Chimpy]

The time compression between things that happen in the series without any indication that time has passed is definitely one of my big annoyances. I just have to assume that any time there is some kind of inexplicable change in the resources available to someone that it is because months or years have passed.

And one thing we will learn in the fantasy league points tally is something I am sure we were all dying to know:

[Merusk]

  

Was expecting that ending later in the season. Whelp, ok then!

[schild]

I didn't really like the whole episode, but man that was just

"go get the iron throne"

*immediately fails and dies and 3 main characters are just you know gone now*

edit: I'm aware they didn't show an actual death but like, comeon.

[Chimpy]

They did show one.

[schild]

Theon isn't a character. He's a cockless worm.

[Chimpy]

[Abagadro]

[Ginaz]

Not a main character.

[schild]

Not a main character.

Yea that's my feeling, 2 of the sand snakes weren't even draftable.

[Chimpy]

Not a main character.

Yea that's my feeling, 2 of the sand snakes weren't even draftable.

They all were.

Nymeria, Obara, Tyene, and Ellaria Sand were all draftable.

[schild]

til I don't know the names of half of the characters on this show

[satael]

Jon is starting to irritate me as he seems like a really bad leader; whether it's fighting or talking he seems to do whatever he feels like and has no thought to the ramifications beyond what he thinks is "right" (you'd think dying once due to it would be enough).

[Slayerik]

Rough episode. Missandre though........Mmmmmmm

[Merusk]

So about the ending:


ed: Shit used quote not spoiler.