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Reply #1015 on: June 24, 2011, 12:59:48 PM

Some light Googling tells me that's just wishfull thinking and already contradicted in the books.

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Reply #1016 on: June 24, 2011, 01:21:12 PM


No that would be fucking retarded.  I much rather Syrio be some bad ass minor character who died in an awesome last stand than to completely ruin the character by that idiotic twist.

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Reply #1017 on: June 24, 2011, 02:47:55 PM

Yeah, that particular theory is already dead since event timelines don't match up.

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Reply #1018 on: June 24, 2011, 03:16:10 PM

I'm pretty sure Martin scowled at some guy asking that question at a book signing and proclaimed him dead.  Syrio is dead.  Sorry.

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Reply #1019 on: June 24, 2011, 06:14:30 PM

The implication in the TV series was that Syrio was sending Arya away so she didn't have to see him die. That is all. To a viewer who hasn't read the books it seemed clear that he was buying her time, as he knew he wouldn't survive fighting the more senior Lannister man who scoffed at the efforts of his underlings.
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Reply #1020 on: June 24, 2011, 08:05:34 PM

Wasn't a lannister man. Was ser meryn trant, a whitecloak (kingsguard). He's also the one who slapped Sansa around.
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Reply #1021 on: June 27, 2011, 01:48:21 PM

Yeah, key difference is that he is Kingsguard, so hes suppose to be one of the best knights in the realm (though as Ser Barristan Selmy pointed out in his awesome "fuck you I'm out" scene, they aren't quite what they use to be).

Though I'm not sure the implication was as clear to common people as you make it Tale.  I've asked several people I know who watched the series but haven't read the books, and they're all certain that he's still alive.

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Reply #1022 on: June 27, 2011, 02:27:34 PM

The book makes it pretty clear he's fucked, I think, as the last thing you see of him is him losing his weapon as I recall.

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Reply #1023 on: June 27, 2011, 02:32:59 PM

Yeah, key difference is that he is Kingsguard, so hes suppose to be one of the best knights in the realm (though as Ser Barristan Selmy pointed out in his awesome "fuck you I'm out" scene, they aren't quite what they use to be).

Though I'm not sure the implication was as clear to common people as you make it Tale.  I've asked several people I know who watched the series but haven't read the books, and they're all certain that he's still alive.

If you asked me that i would guess alive too, because there would assume you wouldn't be asking if he was dead.  In the book Syrio had already smacked the shit out of Trant several times to absolutely no effect before Arya ran away, the guy was wearing full plate armor.

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Reply #1024 on: June 27, 2011, 09:11:50 PM

It's ambiguous in the TV show, and it's really ambiguous in the book.  Martin usually kills people for you to see rather leaving you to "guess" at it.  He's not subtle about that.  I'm guessing alive as well.
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Reply #1025 on: June 28, 2011, 06:55:52 AM

The only reason anyone would think Syrio is alive is because his character is likeable and therefore you want him to be allive.  If he was a shit, no one would give his survival a thought.  He had a wooden fucking sword against a guy in plate and he wasn't going to run away.  He is DEAD!  Use you brain, not your heart.

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Reply #1026 on: June 28, 2011, 07:05:33 AM

1.) Syrio wouldn't have run away. "The First Sword of Braavos does not run"
2.) His enemy is seen in alive and unhurt in another scene soon after the confrontation

Draw your own conclussions from that.
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Reply #1027 on: June 28, 2011, 07:11:02 AM

And 3 the Lannisters will chop the head of absolutely everyone, even harmless septas.  There is no way for him to be alive.

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Reply #1028 on: June 28, 2011, 08:17:09 AM

Good points.

But he's still alive.
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Reply #1029 on: June 28, 2011, 08:43:16 AM

Even though the author says he's dead?

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Reply #1030 on: June 28, 2011, 08:54:45 AM

Boy are you guys going to look foolish when he shows up riding a dragon.
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Reply #1031 on: June 28, 2011, 09:00:35 AM

OOOOH, maybe he killed Ser Meryn Trant and switched bodies through ancient Braavosi magic.   why so serious?

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Reply #1032 on: June 28, 2011, 09:31:07 AM

Arya IS Syrio.  why so serious?

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Reply #1033 on: June 28, 2011, 11:16:25 AM


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Reply #1034 on: June 28, 2011, 11:25:37 AM

   why so serious?
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Reply #1035 on: June 28, 2011, 11:36:07 AM


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Reply #1036 on: June 28, 2011, 11:37:47 AM

Heh

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Reply #1037 on: June 28, 2011, 11:44:29 AM

Should be 'Not today'.

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Reply #1038 on: June 28, 2011, 11:56:06 AM

I think part of it is my inner nerd rage, having spent many countless hours debating that a master swordsman in light armor would be able to outclass even a moderately skilled foe in full plate, just by maneuverability alone.  awesome, for real

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Reply #1039 on: June 28, 2011, 12:18:51 PM

I think part of it is my inner nerd rage, having spent many countless hours debating that a master swordsman in light armor would be able to outclass even a moderately skilled foe in full plate, just by maneuverability alone.  awesome, for real

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Reply #1040 on: June 28, 2011, 12:31:35 PM

Even though the author says he's dead?

That's just a trick.
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Reply #1041 on: June 28, 2011, 12:45:17 PM

Ok, now for something that isn't about Syrio.
I don't want to be THAT guy, but having read the books and watched the series, one thing in the series that differed from the books bothered me alot.

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Reply #1042 on: June 28, 2011, 12:57:59 PM

Even though the author says he's dead?
That's just a trick.
Though, again, Martin hasn't actually said hes dead.

Ok, now for something that isn't about Syrio.
I don't want to be THAT guy, but having read the books and watched the series, one thing in the series that differed from the books bothered me alot.

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Reply #1043 on: June 28, 2011, 12:59:41 PM

Ok, now for something that isn't about Syrio.
I don't want to be THAT guy, but having read the books and watched the series, one thing in the series that differed from the books bothered me alot.

Not sure why you need to spoiler that.

I think they did the right thing.  In just about fight scene from the books that Tyrion is in, he comes across as an unbelievable badass.  So he's super smart and a dwarven killing machine at the same time.  OK.  Ohhhhh, I see.

Playing him as a fool, was probably a bit much, but I think it's wise to steer clear of some parts of Martin's portrayal.

edit: and Whispering Woods is the battle where Jaime is captured.
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Reply #1044 on: June 28, 2011, 01:13:39 PM

You are thinking of the battle of the green fork.  And yes it was 90% budgetary and 10% story driven, i agree that combat Tyrion is highly unbelievable.

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Reply #1045 on: June 28, 2011, 01:21:21 PM

I got the impression from the show he did get up and start fighting, and just trampling over him didn't knock him out.
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Reply #1046 on: June 28, 2011, 05:30:09 PM

Didn't Bronn specifically say "you missed the fight"? I might have imagined that.

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Reply #1047 on: June 28, 2011, 05:42:45 PM

Did he not smash someones face in a few episodes earlier ? With a shield if I remember correctly ?

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Reply #1048 on: June 28, 2011, 10:38:44 PM

Which also was a deviation from the book, where he killed the bandit with an freaking axe (Shagga Son of Dolf would be so proud).
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Reply #1049 on: June 29, 2011, 07:37:49 AM

Finally saw ep10.  Excellent work, HBO.  I appreciated the gratuitous pan out of a hot, naked Dany.

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