WotLK

[Vash]

Fury! Here is a link to my armory, so you can check out my talent build.

Basically, you pick up Titan's Grip, Impale, Deep Wounds, and Two-Hand Weapon spec.

Combine that with the Chaotic Skyflare Diamond (the metagem that gives +21 crit rating and 3% crit damage), and you just do piles of damage.

Yeah, I think looking from the outside and not actually trying it, Titans Grip doesn't seem so attractive because of the 5% hit penalty which is in addition to the DW hit penalty.  Seems like you would need a ton of +hit to really get the spec to perform well, which traditionally is a pain to itemize for even as Arms.

Not to mention in my experiences so far with Fury warriors in Northrend, they haven't been that impressive, even one's with really good TBC gear.  This might be due to them being clueless about how to properly spec though because nearly all I've seen have like 60 or more points in Fury and don't even have Impale ( ) which has always been a staple dps talent for both Arms and Fury.   I haven't played my warrior in quite some time so I wasn't sure if grabbing all the high end Fury talents was worth passing up things like Impale or not.

I think all the new talents and abilities are by far my favorite thing about expansions in WoW, especially Wrath with so many talent tree revamps.  All the old cookie cutter builds are thrown out the window and until new ones become the norm you can really get a good idea of who understands their class and how to optimize it with a simple inspect of their talents.  Plus experimenting to find new and interesting specs is just fun.

Edit: Although as a bonus, my warrior is a space goat, 1% hit racial ftw.  I'm really gonna have to try all the new warrior goodness sometime over the holiday.

[WindupAtheist]

Judgements of the Pure getting buffed, not Seals of the Pure. Woops. Oh well, means I can pick up Kings.

[apocrypha]

my warrior is a space goat, 1% hit racial ftw. 

Dammit I wish Dranaei had been Horde and Blood Elves Alliance. I really want a space goat and I cannot fucking stand belves. But I can't play Alliance, just can't, makes me feel dirty.

/derail

[DraconianOne]

I can't play Alliance, just can't, makes me feel dirty.

It's not just me then! 

Although I'm extremely glad that Drainys aren't Horde. I despise them as much as I do Nelfs.  Not as much as gnomes though - they get a special kind of loathing.

[Vash]

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Dammit I wish Dranaei had been Horde and Blood Elves Alliance. I really want a space goat and I cannot fucking stand belves. But I can't play Alliance, just can't, makes me feel dirty.

/derail

Well on every server that has launched since TBC, Horde is the new Alliance thanks to BE's.  Playing alliance on one of those servers was actually pretty cool, especially a pvp server, since it reminded me of playing horde back in the day.  I mean I've played both sides on a multitude of different servers and the stereotypes about horde and alliance are well...... just stereotypes.

[Fordel]

I have yet to get a Horde Character to 40, think my highest is 36 now?


This is after four years of 'playing' it.

[Zetor]

On many pvp servers, alliance never outnumbered horde, even before BC.

And rest assured, for every "NE hunter" stereotype, there are two equivalent "undead rogue" stereotypes. :p


-- Z.

[Merusk]

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Dammit I wish Dranaei had been Horde and Blood Elves Alliance. I really want a space goat and I cannot fucking stand belves. But I can't play Alliance, just can't, makes me feel dirty.

/derail

Well on every server that has launched since TBC, Horde is the new Alliance thanks to BE's.  Playing alliance on one of those servers was actually pretty cool, especially a pvp server, since it reminded me of playing horde back in the day.  I mean I've played both sides on a multitude of different servers and the stereotypes about horde and alliance are well...... just stereotypes.

It all depends on the battlegroup.  My alliance is on Alleria/ Rampage and Alliance gets rolled there so often it's not worth trying to do the PVP daily without it being AV or -maybe- EOTS.   Meanwhile my highest Hordie is on Zul'jin/ <whatever they are> and it seems about 50/50 with a slight Alliance bias on that BG.  The Druid I had on Venture Co. always won in the lower-level BGs, unless the Alliance team was full of level-capped twinks.

[apocrypha]

Well on every server that has launched since TBC, Horde is the new Alliance thanks to BE's.  Playing alliance on one of those servers was actually pretty cool, especially a pvp server, since it reminded me of playing horde back in the day.  I mean I've played both sides on a multitude of different servers and the stereotypes about horde and alliance are well...... just stereotypes.

It's nothing to do with the personalities or numbers of the players on either side, it's just the style and lore and feeling of the factions.

I've got a couple of Alliance 60's and I was in a great couple of guilds and have some good friends on the Alliance side, I just hate elves and gnomes so much. I am Horde to the core baby.

Besides, I have an orc called Gorgeous. Really, it doesn't get any better than that. Oh, apart from his undead mate, Hideous 

FOR THE HORDE!!11

[Lakov_Sanite]

There's a questline to initiate the taunka(sp?) into the horde, reading the pledge made me feel really proud.

Lok'tar ogar, Victory or death!

[Paelos]

I really wasn't. I'm speaking in general.

Although the Abomination quest did get bugged for me for two explosions, which was annoying.

It bugged for me on the first try. It was also camped, and I realized that I'd have to blow up 6-8 aboms to get it done. Running back and forth to gather pets only to blow them up doesn't equate fun to me. I dropped that quest, cancelled all the rest of my quests in Zul'Drak, and promptly left. It's the only zone I've outright hated.

Fuck you, whiny bitch. Go get your instant gratification wetpants elsewhere, faggot.

You have an interesting way of agreeing with people.

[Azaroth]

my warrior is a space goat, 1% hit racial ftw. 

Dammit I wish Dranaei had been Horde and Blood Elves Alliance. I really want a space goat and I cannot fucking stand belves. But I can't play Alliance, just can't, makes me feel dirty.

/derail

Alliance is the new Horde.

[DraconianOne]

Alliance is the new Horde.

Blasphemy.

No self-respecting organization that would call itself the Horde would ever allow gnomes in its ranks.  Ever.

[apocrypha]

Alliance is the new Horde.

Blasphemy.

No self-respecting organization that would call itself the Horde would ever allow gnomes in its ranks.  Ever.

I think the self-respect part of that went out the window when Paris Hiltonelves joined 

[Azaroth]

Gnomes > Blood Elves.

[Paelos]

Gnomes > Blood Elves.

Talking heaps of shit are > Elves

[Hawkbit]

You know, I always try to take the side of being fair to all the races.... But then some shit happens that reminds me of how retarded elves are.  Like last night when the Nelf Hunter wants to roll on cloth and then runs out of arrows when we're pulling the final boss of the instance.  Fucking PUGS, man.  Fucking PUGs. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

I may be taking the unpopular side here but while I find draenei to look/sound cool I simply do NOT like their lore at all. Blood elves at least make a bit of sense, ok they're power hungry addicts, you can work with that. Draenei though? They're supposedly evolved from the Eredar(demons) and now worship the light and crashed on azeroth in their space ship...wut?

[Paelos]

DEMONS...IN...SPAAAAAAACE!

[Koyasha]

I may be taking the unpopular side here but while I find draenei to look/sound cool I simply do NOT like their lore at all. Blood elves at least make a bit of sense, ok they're power hungry addicts, you can work with that. Draenei though? They're supposedly evolved from the Eredar(demons) and now worship the light and crashed on azeroth in their space ship...wut?

Actually, that would have been the story that DID make sense (small group of Eredar gets redeemed by the Naaru and becomes good).  Unfortunately they decided to screw it up instead of following the storyline that would have fit seamlessly into the old lore.  The Eredar (original) are the same as the Draenei, then the Legion came, the vast majority of them joined up and became demons (or what we now call Eredar), and the few that decided being demons just wasn't for them escaped with the Naaru.

As for the crash: Crash was unintentional, coming to Azeroth was not.  Blood Elf sabotage caused the ship to crash, but it did arrive roughly at its intended destination.  Also, not a spaceship in the traditional sense.  I suppose technically it's a spaceship, but think more TARDIS than USS Enterprise.

[K9]

Maybe it's just me, but WoW 'lore' makes me cringe.

[Hawkbit]

Two years go by and they haven't cleaned up a single piece of that spaceship.  Them's lazy Draenei. 

Although I thought it was cool in Borean Tundra that there's some of the Azuremyst stuff that migrated up there, the moths and bloodspores and such. 

[Oban]

Maybe it's just me, but WoW 'lore' makes me cringe.

There is a reason why it is called lorelol or lollore.

[Fordel]

I think the reason the Draenei bother people so much, is they are such a fucking detour in overall story line.


You can see how the Blood Elves make sense, their motivations and origins and all that. The Draenei?

"Here's some race you've never heard of before, ever, and they brought their semi-divine WindChime Gods with them. You're BFF now! Oh btw, there are OTHER people you've never actually heard of before either, that are totally evil and look just like your new BFF!"


That's one thing that WotLK has done, is really put a contrast of comparison between itself and TBC. The Alliance end of TBC, outside of the "Hay I saw your statue in Stormwind!" reunion aspect, is just one weird ass sight seeing tour. While the Horde was trying to find salvation or redemption for itself in outland, the alliance was having one elaborate camping trip. "So you guys live on top of giant mushrooms, cool."

[Simond]

Maybe it's just me, but WoW 'lore' makes me cringe.

There is a reason why it is called lorelol or lollore.

See, it's quite simple:
Flying castle = OK (See: Naxxramas, etc)
Dimensional Travel = OK (See: Dark Portal, etc).
Flying castle with dimensional travel = lollore. Not quite sure why, though.

[Lantyssa]

I'm fine with the Dranaei.  Mostly 'cause of their looks and accent.

The lore didn't bother me because by that point I realized they had pretty much given up trying.  Immersion and their tenuous attempts to make a coherent story were already being ruined in every conceivable way.  At least I got a race I liked to look at.  Of course everything else was too much.  Until the blizzard cub.

[Kail]

See, it's quite simple:
Flying castle = OK (See: Naxxramas, etc)
Dimensional Travel = OK (See: Dark Portal, etc).
Flying castle with dimensional travel = lollore. Not quite sure why, though.

I don't think the problem is with flying castles, it's more of an aesthetic thing.  "The Exodar" is not the name of a castle, it sounds like the end of a sentence that begins with "Mister Worf, lock phasers on".  And the look of the ship castle itself doesn't do much to dispel that; they've got holographic projections and glowy neon wires and pipes inlaid in walls that look more like plastic or concrete than stone or wood.  It just looks like a Halo level or something.  Compared to the gnomish tech which at least looks like it kind of fits with the rest of the world.

[Sheepherder]

When I heard Dranei I wanted to play as a mutant with sickle-bladed weaponry.  What we got was okay, except the whole shitting all over the established story from War III and the space camping expedition.

[apocrypha]

I sometimes wish I knew more of the WoW lore, but there just seems so much of it and whenever I start reading it (out of game) it feels confusing and disjointed. I suppose that's because of the way the lore has built up, piecemeal, along with the games.

The bits I have picked up in-game have always made me favour the Horde though. They always came across as the actual "good guys", having been manipulated and fucked around with by other forces and their tale seems mostly to be one of trying to recover their true natures after all the meddling. I did like the little story you get told when you enter Shattrath for the first time and get your guided tour, that was actually quite moving and did soften my attitude towards the Blood Elves (slightly).

I also have no problem at all with the whole spacey/sci-fi aspect of BC. Mainly because I think that the graphic design of it all looks very cool, even if it doesn't exactly fit with the rest of it. I love the inside of the Exodar and Netherstorm is my favourite zone ever. I sometimes get on my Netherdrake, fly up to one of the floating rocks, turn all the volumes down except the ambient, which I turn right up, and just sit and relax, watching and listening to the storms. Beautiful.

And Draenei girlies are fucking hot. Unlike Blood Elf girls who piss me off. They need to eat some fooooood ffs!

[Azaroth]

See, it's quite simple:
Flying castle = OK (See: Naxxramas, etc)
Dimensional Travel = OK (See: Dark Portal, etc).
Flying castle with dimensional travel = lollore. Not quite sure why, though.

I don't think the problem is with flying castles, it's more of an aesthetic thing.  "The Exodar" is not the name of a castle, it sounds like the end of a sentence that begins with "Mister Worf, lock phasers on".  And the look of the ship castle itself doesn't do much to dispel that; they've got holographic projections and glowy neon wires and pipes inlaid in walls that look more like plastic or concrete than stone or wood.  It just looks like a Halo level or something.  Compared to the gnomish tech which at least looks like it kind of fits with the rest of the world.

Draenei engineering is very OP.

[Azaroth]

I'm also starting to get VERY ANNOYED with the random BG kicking.

[Azazel]

Yeah, the "here's some brand new old gods that have always been around, you just never heard of or noticed them before. Fo' sho'."  was a major issue with Everquest. At least with WOTLK, they're revisiting stuff that has a precedent and integrates a lot of pre-known lore with Frozen Throne. - Arthas, Dalaran etc, along with the "realistic" low fantasy setting and viking-look over the floaty crystal castles stuff in BC.

I liked a lot of BC, but I never really got into things like The Consortium, Sporegarr, Shattrath or The Exodar or even Tempest Keep in terms of design. The Exodar is the thing that bothers me the most though. Aside from a shitty layout even by WoW-capital city standards, theres big fucking holes in the ground that still haven't been fixed.

If we're advancing the storyline and if the place is supposed to be a capiral city, they can surely buy some dwarven concrete and fill those gaps...


I really think what they need to be doing NOW is seeding the game with more and more elements that will be revealed fully in the next couple of expansions to avoid the total disjointedness that BC had to anyone who hasn't tried to delve into the confusing Warcraft lore offline. Besides just Un'Goro and the sleeping dragon in Dragonblight.

[Tannhauser]

Of course the Horde is the good guys.  Thrall got his orcs and fled and the Alliance chased them to another continent!

[Slayerik]

I liked seeing Baron Rivendare in the early part of the DK experience. I thought to myself, that guy is a real bad ass. I've killed him so many times, yet there he is chattin it up with the overlord. :)

So far I am quite impressed with the DK start. I'm only about a level into but I love how they just keep feeding you blues and nice XP chunks :)

[Reg]

I like how they feed you the talent points one or two at a time as quest rewards as well. Dealing with 40 of them right at character creation would have been a pain.