High Level Armor Sets

[Nebu]

I can't stop laughing.  This is just fucking clownshoes.

You need to be this tall to have fun.  

GAH!

[Sparky]

In a way it's nice to be off the fence.  My ass was getting sore.

Time to get back into Eve and gird myself for the, ugh, speed nerf.

[Nonentity]

Shoehorning PvE raid progression mechanics into a PvP environment where the content will not always be available. Smart!

[waylander]

Man the WHA and Vault network forums are mostly the same reaction. There are a couple of vaultards who are trying to downplay the importance of this year, like one of the DAOC team leads, and trying to make us all feel better because it will be a long time before everyone has the pieces.

I am with Schild though, this blunder is going to make WotlK eat War's lunch. The guilds with this gear will blow through fortress lords, city lords, etc, and the folks without it will be blown apart by NPC's and 3 real life players defending the keep.

I can say that this will probably be the 2nd weekend in a row where we have an epic thread (or three) to watch.

[Beltaine]

The nail in the coffin is, you know this gear will be distributed via PQ style loot bag distribution.  So not only do you have to have an entire raid-size Warband to do the content, but you'll have to do it over and over until everyone has the gear.  Plus, there'll inevitably be those people with lucky dice that will begin to get duplicate gear while the unlucky douchebags that aren't geared yet get the shaft from the RNG yet again.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Just imagine your guild conquering a T4 keep, nearly able to take on the king and only needing a few more pieces and ten you keep losing rolls to random newbies coming in on their own.

Just imagine.

[ghost]

At least in WOW you are grinding, say Kara or even AV which is reasonably fun sometimes. 

Public Quests?  Grindorama nightmare.  I am NOT playing a game where I have to do a mobkill spree like in the PQs. 

Sooooooooo what's next on the agenda?  Darkfall?  LOTRO Moria? 

WOTLK?

[Arthur_Parker]

Maybe there will be a "No High Armor Set/No Capital City Server" poll on vn boards soon.

[schild]

Maybe there will be a "No High Armor Set/No Capital City Server poll on vn boards soon.

Too late.

Since when do games get second chances?

Edit: Maybe if this had happened in say, MARCH, I could've been like, OK they have time to fix this before say, the christmas rush or a WoW expansion. But haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, apparently fingers can't be snapped to make stupid fucking amateur hour design decisions go away.

[Arthur_Parker]

Missed the green, sorry.

[ghost]

Well, at least now it won't be only on WOW that you can see, "looking for high progression raiding guild". 

[rk47]

my eyes burn at the following:

"If you’re a healer and you want to make the most of earning Renown, heal those around you who seem to be doing the most damage. The system encourages grouping with others and/or keeping the top killers alive, so if you do so, your healing Renown will flow! "

.....I...I hate you mythic.

[wuzzman]

nothing like grind to anal any chance of playing a serious pvp game.

[Sauced]

nothing like grind to anal

 

Sums it up.

[Brogarn]

my eyes burn at the following:

"If you’re a healer and you want to make the most of earning Renown, heal those around you who seem to be doing the most damage. The system encourages grouping with others and/or keeping the top killers alive, so if you do so, your healing Renown will flow! "

.....I...I hate you mythic.

And my tank says "WTF?" to that.

[SDShannonS]

I suspect that the greatest issue with this news is the interpretation of the word "required".  I don't think Missy really meant "...which is required for City High Level Dungeons and Fortress encounters."  The fact that people have already done Fortress captures without this armor suggests that it will help but is not actually required to complete these elements of the game.

Honestly, I don't see it as much of a problem at all.  The game has always been about RvR, not PvP.  The ultimate goal of RvR has always been the taking of the opponent's capital city by killing the King - that should not come as a surprise to anyone here.  That encounter is a combination of PvP and PvE but is all RvR, as are the Sub-Boss PQs, Invasion PQs, Fortresses, and Tier 4 RvR that can be used to gather the other pieces of armor sets.

So, you engage in RvR the same way you normally would.  You go out and kill people, take Fortresses, do the Invasion PQs to get access to the city, run the Sub-Boss PQs, and eventually kill the King.  I think the likelihood of everyone getting a piece of armor from that is minimal at best which is another point in favor of the argument that it cannot possibly be "required".

So if you do a lot of what you would normally be doing anyway, you'll eventually acquire some full sets of armor which will give you an advantage and make your character more desired in groups.  And yes, eventually, there may be elitist groups out there that refuse to admit anyone who is not leet like them, but who gives a shit?  Fuck 'em and go about your business doing all the above with people who are not assholes.

I think the armor set system is designed to encourage and reward RvR, not to gate it.  I think people are just reading too much into "required."

[rk47]

shut the fuck up. The armour DOES NOT HELP RVR. ITS JUST % DMG REDUCTION FROM NPC.

[schild]

Making something impossible or UNFUN without having the proper gear pretty much = required.

Making something more difficult for people who haven't bullshit grinded through crap content is pretty much the dumbest fucking design decision I've heard in a LONG, LONG TIME.

[wuzzman]

you can justify grind, but you can also justify butt sex in prisons.

[waylander]

This armor mitigates damage done by NPC's in Fortress/City siege situations. Without it you can be blasted to oblivion by those NPC's, and the player damage on top of that just helps to speed you on your way to the respawn spot. These tards over at the Vault and coming here who are downplaying this because "it doesn't affect players damaging one another" are missing the point. When you engage in these fights you are fighting players + NPC's, and without said gear the NPC's hit you a fuckton harder.

I mean a Fortress Lord can hit you for 4 K damage right off the bat without WARD gear, toss in the real player damage too, and its "bye bye, cya at the rez stone!".

Ward gear matters.

[tolakram]

Well if anyone can stand reading VN I was able, I think, to get the answer I was looking for.

I don't think it's as bad as I originally assumed, but that's just my personal preference.  It's hard to design the end of an RvR game without making it seem like an FPS.  I'm not sure I liek what they came up with, and I'm not sure I believe this so called PvE gear won't be useful (or overpowered) in end game RvR, but I won't be there for a while ... or ever.

[justdave]

nothing like grind to anal

 

Sums it up.

Yes, best mispelling evar. Man, well I'm glad I'm a lazy asshole who kept dithering about picking this up.

EDIT: Haha, and it hits the graveyard mid-post! 

[tolakram]

Ward gear matters.

And apparently you can buy some of it off of renown merchants, with the best pieces reserved for some dumb quest.

Not arguing though, they blew the RvR is everything point of the game.  Not sure what they were thinking.

[Lakov_Sanite]

What they were thinking is that they could bait and switch mmo players into thinking they were getting a pvp alternative when in reality what you got was a pvp barrier to 'old' wow style raids, gear cockblocks and all.  You think these armor sets were made magically overnight?

[schild]

What they were thinking is that they could bait and switch mmo players into thinking they were getting a pvp alternative when in reality what you got was a pvp barrier to 'old' wow style raids, gear cockblocks and all.  You think these armor sets were made magically overnight?

*SNAP*

POOF

KILLED A GAME WITH GEAR.

See, they can do it.

[Rasix]

Eh, you're being a bit hasty here.  May be dead for some but still pretty active and the conversation about it will likely be for a bit longer.

Don't be such a baby.

[tazelbain]

This is disappointing but a magnitude less important than the fact that RvR is totally fubared. 

[dieplskthxbai]

Hey guys, don't burn me @ the "steak" (heh, for all you Lum fans out there...) for asking this, but didn't MJ say in another thread around here somewhere that they were retooling ALL the PvP gear and that MJ couldn't just snap his fingers and make it happen overnight?

I dunno, both my wife and I have picked this title up, and are enjoying it immensely...  We'll just have to see how it pans out, I suppose.

 

[Slayerik]

And Rasix refuses to "Call it". The senior doctor will surely be pissed!

I tend to agree though, too much conversation still to Call It already.

[schild]

Too much conversation means one of two things:

1. The game is in the grip of death.
2. The game just came out and is fucking awesome.

Somehow there was a grey line in this situation where Mythic felt they should apply the sharpie.

[Nevermore]

Hey guys, don't burn me @ the "steak" (heh, for all you Lum fans out there...) for asking this, but didn't MJ say in another thread around here somewhere that they were retooling ALL the PvP gear and that MJ couldn't just snap his fingers and make it happen overnight?

I dunno, both my wife and I have picked this title up, and are enjoying it immensely...  We'll just have to see how it pans out, I suppose.

 

All snark aside, if you're having fun with the game then your best bet is to ignore all the various forums, just play the game and have fun.

[Seanzor]

All snark aside, if you're having fun with the game then your best bet is to ignore all the various forums, just play the game and have fun.

True for just about every game, forever.  Primarily, people post on game forums because the pertinent game is, at that moment in time, less fun than posting on a fucking forum.

Edit: (or, because those people's jobs aren't demanding enough).

[Nevermore]

Primarily, people post on game forums because the pertinent game is, at that moment in time, less fun than posting on a fucking forum.

Edit: (or, because those people's jobs aren't demanding enough).

Not always true.  I post on the OFFICIAL City of Heroes forums about all kinds of stuff and I still enjoy that game quite a bit, despite its flaws.  I even post there outside of work hours!

[maximluva]

I am not old enough to understand the idea of a game not being "a second job."

[Mrbloodworth]

It's not like people dont do the same shit with WOW.

I think this was like, the point.