F13 in EvE: Band of Brothers headshotted! Come help us in Delve!

[Gaiscioch]

Hey guys! I got pointed to this thread by my Buddy Predator IRL. I've been on Eve the past 3 months and I'm looking to join a corp in 0.0.

Although I'm relatively new, I know quite a bit about the game, and am very active.

So anyway, what are the requirements to join? (i.e. who wants buttsecks?)

[NiX]

Damnit, I've been avoiding EVE cause I've been trying to catch up on other games, but all this talk is giving me the urge to play.

Someone tell me what to do to get into this war and what does it take to get the 21 day trial?

[Phildo]

Gaiscloch, have Predator shoot Samson Savage an evemail in-game to confirm and I'll be happy to get you in.

Nix, convo me in-game.  Unless you're really a spy this time.

[Reg]

Nix: I'm pretty sure that you can get a 21 day trial if you get it through Steam. Likely you can get one if someone does some buddy thing with you as well but I don't know about that.

[Jamiko]

Looks like I'm going to get sucked back in as well. I have a decent mining/manufacturing guy and a newer (~6 mill skill points?) combat guy. I'll resub soon and start looking for you guys.

[Jayce]

For the 21 day trial you just have to talk to an active member and provide them with an email address to send the invite to.  I can do it, but I already have one person, and if the trialee subs then the trialer gets a free month, so I want to spread the "wealth".

So some active member who wants a free month should post here.

[NiX]

Nix, convo me in-game.  Unless you're really a spy this time.

Anyone want a free month?

[Nerf]

pm me an email addy

[NiX]

Is it possible to get into LOVEU with a trial account? Also, does anyone have a link to what can't be done with a trial? I know you can't train haulers, don't know what else.

[Goumindong]

Is it possible to get into LOVEU with a trial account?

I can't say with certainty, but the answer is very probably yes.

The hardest thing in eve is getting people to stick around. Merch's pre goonfleet retention numbers was something like 1/10 making it past 6 months and 1/7 making it past the first month. For people who didn't join up right away the retention rate was half iirc. Getting them into a good corp immediately is pretty important. Not only does it increase the liklihood that they will stick around but it means they're going to stick around and be productive with you.  There is nothing in eve that is so valuable.

edit: The stuff you can't do with trails is pretty much only training and the list aside from haulers you probably wouldn't get to during your trial anyway. There is no part of the game that is out of access to you. You can buy anything, build anything[that you can train], shoot anything, join anything etc. Eve does not hate its potential customers.

[NiX]

Nice, sounds good. Want to get started, but I'd rather wait to find out so I can make a character that's productive. I'm notorious for gimping myself pretty hard.

[Slayerik]

Nice, sounds good. Want to get started, but I'd rather wait to find out so I can make a character that's productive. I'm notorious for gimping myself pretty hard.

I have a character you can use for as long as wanna pay on the account. like a 14 mil SP caldari guy. PM me.

[Goumindong]

Nice, sounds good. Want to get started, but I'd rather wait to find out so I can make a character that's productive. I'm notorious for gimping myself pretty hard.

There should be a link to the goonfleet public wiki on character creation at the start of the thread.

One of the nice things about eve is that its impossible to "gimp" yourself. If you train something that isn't good you can just start training something else.

The reasons that alts exist in eve are not really related to a main character being "gimped" they are much more to do with economic terms.

1. Location: Good markets only occur in certain spots and its not easy to check them from the depths of space. A market alt that you can log into changes that.

2. Concurrence: Second accounts mean twice the training time and it means you can run more instances of the game on the same computer. If you want to dual box you need an alt and alt account.

3. Purchased characters: Usually these go on separate accounts, but CCP supports transferring characters over accounts when they're purchased for isk.[for a fee]. In this way, players can buy training time from someone else.

But if you're just running one account you will never do worse for starting earlier rather than later.

Go here and read up a bit. It should give you a good understanding of whats going on with characters.

Some notes: Stats are permanent, don't worry about your charisma at all, its only useful for a very small amount of things and the slower training of those things will be entirely offset by the faster training of everything else. To wit, a character that starts with 3 charisma maxes the command ship skills faster than one with 14 starting charisma simply because they train everything else so much faster.

Your character portrait is permanent: Make sure its something you can stand to look at every time you log in.

Your name is permanent unless you buy another character: Make sure its something that isn't totally retarded.

When training learning skills: Never train them past 4(I think, i haven't done the math on it), once you're at 4 you can buy the advanced learning skills and train them to 4. Training learning skills to 5 pays off in something like 1 year of play. And advanced learning to 5 will pay off in something like 3-5 years. So its pretty much not worth it

I would recommend either a Minmatar start or a Caldari start. Caldari Achura gets the best base stats[3 charisma, 8 billion perception] for combat characters but starts with Caldari missile skills and while there is nothing wrong with missile skills they aren't quite optimal for the type of stuff we do[where gunnery is a bit better, though they do get a lot of use in other areas and make great support skills].

Minmatar Brutor start out with the Rifter and the Vigil and gunnery skills and iirc the second best stat adjustment (Also, sunglasses). The rifter and vigil are hands down the two best frigates in the game. The Vigil is the second fastest but has a very long lock range and a slot layout that doesn't suck(executioner is faster, but 2 meds and 2 lows make it worse than the 3 med vigil). The Rifter is simply the best frigate in the game period. Its fast, you can armor tank it, you can shield tank it, you can do lots of DPS with it, it has 3 meds and it looks awesome.

Starting with gunnery skills is nice because you can easily train into Amarr[lasers and amarr ship skills] or gallente[hybrids and gallente ship skills] or caldari [hybrids and caldari ship skills] a little bit faster[won't matter much if you start training the skills up of course].

From there you can train to any races ships to do anything you want.

[eldaec]

Instructions on building characters correctly....

http://wiki.goonfleet.com/index.php?title=Basic_Character_Creation
http://wiki.goonfleet.com/index.php?title=Recommended_Base_Stat_Builds

...I'm pretty sure they are both publically viewable.

Basically Perception and Intelligence > Willpower and Memory >> Charisma.

Unfortunately it isn't about trade offs, this is simply the correct answer.

[NiX]

Thanks, totally forgot about the newbie thread in the EVE forums.

[Slayerik]

Thanks, totally forgot about the newbie thread in the EVE forums.

Fine, ignore me fucker ;)

[NiX]

This is why we broke up. You're so needy!

[Slayerik]

Ever since sham-wow you just haven't been there.

[Jayce]

Good advice above.

For all the really new newbies, I'm about to post a novel in the subforum (PM Viin or Phildo for access) that will point you in the right direction once you get in-game.

[Rodivar]

Well done introduction and explanation of the game and current status.  I have started the download and am reading the wiki.  One thing, when I try to access further links in the wiki I am unable (I am referred back to logging in here at the forums, which I am), how does one get access to further WiKi information?

Anyway, once I get things going expect a shout out. 

14 day vs. 21 day, any significant difference other than length of time?

I'm planning on subscribing for at least one month so if anyone would like to share a 21 day invite please let me know so I can get you credit for a month of play. 

Thanks in advance for the help. 

[Yegolev]

Stupid five-free-days email.

I need some help ENDIE.  I need to get a Mackinaw and Perhaps Other Things from a wide swath of empire to someplace in 0.0, where I would like to be in a nice corp that appreciates me for who I am.  I like long mining sessions on the beach, cuddling in a hot refinery and puppies.  Pilot name is Yegolev.

[Endie]

Stupid five-free-days email.

I need some help ENDIE.  I need to get a Mackinaw and Perhaps Other Things from a wide swath of empire to someplace in 0.0, where I would like to be in a nice corp that appreciates me for who I am.  I like long mining sessions on the beach, cuddling in a hot refinery and puppies.  Pilot name is Yegolev.

I am in an unusually bad position to help you: I have had three hours connected since December 15th, and currently speak to you via the medium of Blackberry.

However, Goonswarm has the Interbee, which can move almost anything for you at very low prices, around 0.0 or between nullsec and highsec.  Ask in the LOVEU chat channel (which someone in the F13 channel can tell you).

[Yegolev]

Why do you hate freedom?

[Jayce]

If you're still in need tomorrow evening EST I'll give you a hand doing all the above.

[Phildo]

For those of you that have (or haven't) been following the main EvE forum, yesterday Goonswarm killed a titan.  Five F13 people were on the killmail and several others were involved in the fight, including a handful of people that were recruited by this thread.

[FatuousTwat]

I asked in another thread, but I think it was the wrong place to ask, so I'll ask again.

Will my char being 5 or so years old (3 months played) effect my chances of getting into the f13 corp? Or does my postcount/time here as well make me a shoe-in?


Edit: Char name is Haerc (if you want to check old corps).

[Phildo]

Join the F13 channel in-game and look for me there (Samson Savage).

[FatuousTwat]

K, will do soon.

[Koyochi]

How hard is it to get into an alliance like Goonswarm ?

I've played Eve on and off for serveral years, had a 9.5m sp char the last time I left. I always played a solo 0.0 pve style, but with al the recent war reports and videos being posted (like that noncap titan kill) I'm really feeling the urge to get involved in those big wars somehow. And goonswarm seems like a nice yet big alliance with an interesting underdog status.  I certainly dont fit f13 requirements so I'm not even trying that , but I hope anyone here have enough inside knowledge to tell me how I could enter something big like goonswarm ?

[Endie]

How hard is it to get into an alliance like Goonswarm ?

I've played Eve on and off for serveral years, had a 9.5m sp char the last time I left. I always played a solo 0.0 pve style, but with al the recent war reports and videos being posted (like that noncap titan kill) I'm really feeling the urge to get involved in those big wars somehow. And goonswarm seems like a nice yet big alliance with an interesting underdog status.  I certainly dont fit f13 requirements so I'm not even trying that , but I hope anyone here have enough inside knowledge to tell me how I could enter something big like goonswarm ?

If you don't have a qualifying forum account here (you don't), Something Awful (Goonfleet), Ars Technica (Arsed) or Penny Arcade (Merch) then you're pretty unlikely to get in.  I don't know what the recruitment policies of some of the other pubbie corps are like, but I don't think any of them open-recruit, since we'd hear all about it if they did, in the short period before they got booted.

There are lots of other alliances involved in this war, though.  I don't know if Sniggwaffe is open right now (though it would be a radical shift of culture for you in any case), but you might try ZAF, who are pretty cool.  They're no use to you if you are a spy, since I believe they keep their strategic logistics sealed and they know less about our plans than the average Bob forums spy, but they're involved in all the fights they want.

[palmer_eldritch]

I’ve been in the corp about nine days now, and here’s how it’s been so far:

I helped blow up a titan, the biggest, most expensive capital ships in the game.

It belonged to our enemies BoB, the biggest douches in the game.

I also helped kill a dreadnought, which is a pretty big ship.

I was flying my frigate, the crappiest ship in the game.

My character already had a few mining skills (almost no fighting skills) before I joined the corp. When I mine, I now fill my hold with the most expensive ore in the game, because it’s out there in Goon space just floating around.

The Goons have a wiki for members, including LOVEU members (the F13 guild), which explains how this insanely complicated game works.

If you’re a real newb, people will give you ships and money.

That’s all for now.

[Phildo]

I was flying my frigate, the crappiest ship in the game.

This isn't necessarily true, they're just the smallest.  We've been known to fly shuttles in PvP, and they have no fitting slots whatsoever.

[w00key]

Getting them into a good corp immediately is pretty important. Not only does it increase the liklihood that they will stick around but it means they're going to stick around and be productive with you.  There is nothing in eve that is so valuable.

This. Last time I tried Eve (was years ago), I went "Looking For Corp!" in local and joined some totally newbie corp with like 5 active players. In a week or two I think I managed to make more isks than they had by buying up crap from the NPCs and selling it 10-20 jumps away for a better price... That and mining in an Osprey kinda killed the game for me, was boring as hell, farming gold and waiting for skills to train... Corp activity? The best one was lets mine together


Too bad I didn't discover this forum earlier, after reading through ~40 pages of the big war thread and this one I found out what I missed all the time. Oh well, I'm too busy trying to kill Malygos nowadays anyway, I used to raid Blackwing Lairs (zzzz) and Veldspar (at least I think it was that, anyway, more zzzz) at the same time, but Blizzard managed to improve the raids a little bit, you can't slack off while speed farming instances anymore. Meh, sucks to be a total newbie on this forum, maybe I'll qualify after spamming contributing in the WoW section, one can always hope. I'm a regular on ars, but their corp sounds way too carebearish to me.


It's pretty funny how I found F13 - Followed a link in a comment for "Scaling in Games & Virtual Worlds" to here, read the 2008 MMOG Events post and decided to stick around, then I accidentally found this insanely active Eve section. It's incredible how the 100k players can generate more drama than 20M WoW players combined

[FatuousTwat]

It's incredible how the 100k players can generate more drama than 20M WoW players combined

I think a big part of it is that everyone is together. If some shit goes down in WoW on a different server than yours, who cares, but if something happens in EvE, it effects everyone (except the Chinese).

[MahrinSkel]

Once upon a time, there were like 3 people from f13 in Eve (I think the forum might even have been Graveyarded for a while).

--Dave