PvP Guilds in WoW

[bhodikhan]

Whatever you do. Make sure you're not on the same server as DIE.

In closed beta these guys took grief to a whole new level. I was utterly amazed at just how terrible PvP could be. I have DIE to thank for showing me the light.

I would have never thought a round the clock corpse camp was possible.

[Glamdring]

I have this feeling that most of us would enjoy a PVP RP server a lot more than either a PVP or a RP server in and ot themselves.  RP would keep the random asshats out and the PVP portion would still keep it interesting.

[Ardent]

The normal server ruleset just seems to have all the advantages to me.

Exactly. Every server will have PvP, but the normal servers allow you the choice of when you want to PvP.

I'm just too old to deal with the juvenile bullshit that infects the all-PvP servers. The EQ2 concept fits into my temperment much better, it's too bad I didn't like the game mechanics.

[Paelos]

My guild from DAOC recently said that they were planning to move into PvP servers after launch as the home base. If that is the case, I'll be looking for a new guild in WoW shortly because there is absolutely no way I'm playing on a full PvP e-peen server.

Paelos from Lancelot?  Savage Truth guild?  I'm Boarshead from Lance.  I'm not sure a PvP server would bother me, since the allowed PvP areas have limits.  But I will be the first to admit, I do not really understand the dynamics of WoW PvP, since I have only tried it for about 2 days in beta.

Yeah Boars, the same. I didn't know you were on these boards. And yeah, I don't know much about PvP either, but it seems ST is planning on doing a dual PvE and PvP server setup now. So, I'm thinking things may work out.

[Moroni]

I do enjoy PvP, although I kind of suck at it.  It's the element of any game that is the most exciting.  But, above all, I enjoy PvP that isn't made personal by immature and nasty behaviour.  I don't enjoy it when it becomes rift with trash talking exploiters.  

You just are not speaking my language. It is not as much fun unless there is an element of trash talk. I make it a point not to initiate it, but it is a good test to see who the people worth talking to are.

[Signe]

I do enjoy PvP, although I kind of suck at it.  It's the element of any game that is the most exciting.  But, above all, I enjoy PvP that isn't made personal by immature and nasty behaviour.  I don't enjoy it when it becomes rift with trash talking exploiters.  

You just are not speaking my language. It is not as much fun unless there is an element of trash talk. I make it a point not to initiate it, but it is a good test to see who the people worth talking to are.

Don't be silly.  You must know what I mean.  I don't care about the sort of tough talk banter that enemy guilds engage in.  I mean the personal crap that just becomes annoying.  The constant disgusting /tells.  In SB even the talk on the boards got that way and quickly became tiresome.  And if you condone the sort of exploiting that preceeded this sort of behaviour, then we definitely don't belong in the same guild.

[Moroni]

My mistake. I thought you were making a more blanketed statement than you were. And I dislike exploiting as well. It ruined many a Diablo duel on battle.net :(

[Signe]

Oh, ok... I forgive you.  You can be in my guild.  You'll have to start at the bottom, though, and carry all my PvP luggage.  ;p

[HaemishM]

twaddle

I'm sorry, I couldn't get past the complete douchebag that said the first sentence in your post to get to the real inner asshole in you.

[chinslim]

Man, all of you L33Tist uber-guild sheeps should STFU.

When it comes to Blizzard games, seriously fear the Korean Battle.Net min/maxers.

(actually, that should make for an interesting bet)

[stray]

Man, all of you L33Tist uber-guild sheeps should STFU.

When it comes to Blizzard games, seriously fear the Korean Battle.Net min/maxers.

(actually, that should make for an interesting bet)

Definitely. Any indication which server most of them are heading to?

[Kageru]

.... the ones in Korea?

[stray]

I thought they liked playing with us hip Americans.

EDIT: May as well throw this question out there: Horde or Alliance? Have any of you decided yet?

[Nebu]

Anyone that validates their self worth by performance in a video game really needs to take a long look in the mirror.   Maybe take some stock in your life and goals.

Then again, nearly everyone here knows that already.

[Signe]

Horde.  It's pretty fun and I've not really had the chance to play these sorts of creatures before.  But, to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind either side if I'm in a decent guild.

[schild]

But, to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind either side if I'm in a decent guild.

There's only one decent guild. Dark Solstice. Nine out of ten Draives agree.

[Nebu]

Since we rarely have had any real competition in other games, I think now is the time for us to step up to ...

First post on their board and already waving the epeen.  No thanks.

Yes, I get the sarcasm... I left the beta because most of the banter was like this.  I'm begging you... give me a reason to play this game.  I have so many friends running off to play it, but I just can't get past the rest of the community.

[Signe]

It's fun.  It has a nifty keen /ignore function.  You can turn off general chat.  I'm playing and you know how much you like me.  You can fish for boots.  There are huge, well hung Cowmen... well, that might not appeal to you.

The list goes on and on.

[stray]

I didn't care for it at first, but I'm willing to give it a chance now. Been jumping around from class to class to get the feel of it, and now I think I'll pay for retail, level a toon, then see how it goes from there.

I still don't think it's really anything new or great, but what it does it does well. Definitely one of the better MMO's right now I think. This and CoH -- But there are a few things I can pick off the top of my head that has me liking this more than CoH -- loot, player killing, crafting, and economy (Of course, some may think that's what would make this worse).

The Warcraft world is a cool setting as well, it's not a grind, it runs great, and afaik, I can solo and quest from 1-60. Good enough to play for a month at least.

[sinij]

Can you really enjoy yet another MMOG if all you had to depend on was the same old, played out game mechanics?

Exactly, how many times can you play upgrade-the-loot and get-next-ding game? How many AIs can you kill and still call it fun?

[Ardent]

As I said before, if you're going to PvP in WoW, you must do the PvE to level. If you don't enjoy that, there are plenty of other gaming choices out there for you.

[Nebu]

Exactly, how many times can you play upgrade-the-loot and get-next-ding game? How many AIs can you kill and still call it fun?

Well, this is what gives PvP the potential (notice the word potential) for good replay value.  I enjoy seeing the imaginative ways people employ different skill sets in PvP.  It's the "thinking-outside-of-the-box" that makes it interesting.  The difficulty then lies on the part of the developers to create a PvP environment where there is some incentive to engage in PvP in the first place.

My concern with WoW is that beyond the "grief titles" that there will be little impetus for engaging in PvP beyond just the fact that we can.  

If any of you have experience with PvP in WoW, I'd be interested in hearing what the incentive is for engaging in it beyond just the sheer fun of attacking another player.  Don't get me wrong... fun is enough of a reason on its own.  If there is a system that is both fun and has a goal system built in, I think this makes for a more involving system.

[Mesozoic]

I had a fun time in the EQ race war game.  Maybe I'll try a PvP server tonight.  

Is it as chaotic as DAoC Mordred?  Because that would be...bad.

[HaemishM]

I haven't seen any PVP on the PVP servers yet, but I'm only 14th. It sounds to me like it'll feel more like DAoC regular servers, except with homeland invasions than Mordred or Shadowbane style PVP.

The PVE isn't bad in this game. The questing is decently fun, though nothing new. Best part about the questing system is being informed of the quest rewards beforehand. Really, the quests are that much different from the EQ2 quests, but EQ2 felt like a grind with quests, and WoW feels much less grindy so far. Even the death penalty doesn't bother me, or won't when they remove the 100% on spirit healers. I'm not sure that I'd want to create mulitple characters in each faction, mainly because I think the repetition would get to me. Creating a horde and an alliance character, though, would probably give me decent playability.

I'm waiting to see if they unfuck the servers before deciding on buying it for myself or not.

[Phred]

I'm with Haemish on this. I like the game a lot more than I expected to. I love doing the quests, it gives me a goal other than grinding levels and the quests tend to give you tours of the zones if you follow them all. I also like the trade skills. I see WoW as a mix of the good parts of UO and EQ. In UO I loved wandering around, hunting, gathering materials for trade skills, stopping and doing trades. I've been a hard core uber guild raider in EQ for the last 4 years and I really like the relaxed pace I can play at in WoW.

Another thing I love about WoW is the handcrafted feel of the zones. Someone finally outdid EQ on this one, IMO. I spent a bunch of time in the Barrens tonight doing quests, finding a hidden oasis, and saw a battle happening between the centaurs and an NPC army with players helping in the fight. Anyone know if this is a triggered event from a quest? It sure looked cool.

I also love how dangerous travel is. I tried to help a friend bring a night elf over to the human lands a few days ago and it reminded me of the old days running from Freeport to Quenos. Does anyone know if there's a gryphon depot along that route so you can go back a bit safer? Speaking of gryphons, I like how they've made you have to find the Gryphon spots in various locations before you can use them. Sort of forced exploring but I like it. I also like how damn fast they fly. Hated horses in DAoC but this isnt bad at all.

And boats. The first time I took a boat I laughed at the red dot on the map thing. Sure it's not as immersive as EQ's boat rides but it's way more fun and a lot less bug prone I'm betting.

I started out prefering Alliance to Horde but a friend talked me into trying an Orc Hunter and I love that character. When that server went down Friday we moved to one that was up and made Tauran Shaman. They look like they will be fun too. Only thing I dont like about the tauran starting area is how spread out it all is. But it fits the race I guess. I can see myself playing a lot of different characters this game rather than focusing on one like I did in EQ.

[sidereal]

I'm greatly digging on the quests, and I expect that there's enough there for me to create a character in each of the starting areas (Sucks about the Troll/Orc and Dwarf/Gnome overlaps, otherwise I'd do one of each race) and burn through the quests in a few months.  Soloing the epics for the win.

Speaking of, any guesses as to why the epic creatures are Epic Level 15! instead of just Level 21 or whatever they play as?  Judging from my experience last night, it looks like they play at about 6-7 levels higher.

[Rasix]

I'm greatly digging on the quests, and I expect that there's enough there for me to create a character in each of the starting areas (Sucks about the Troll/Orc and Dwarf/Gnome overlaps, otherwise I'd do one of each race) and burn through the quests in a few months.  Soloing the epics for the win.

My favorite noobie/early-mid teen level area was the undead.  I really had a lot of fun with their starting area.  Their quests are well done, plentiful, and had a lot of style.  I'd defintely give them a shot.

[MrHat]

I'm greatly digging on the quests, and I expect that there's enough there for me to create a character in each of the starting areas (Sucks about the Troll/Orc and Dwarf/Gnome overlaps, otherwise I'd do one of each race) and burn through the quests in a few months.  Soloing the epics for the win.

Speaking of, any guesses as to why the epic creatures are Epic Level 15! instead of just Level 21 or whatever they play as?  Judging from my experience last night, it looks like they play at about 6-7 levels higher.

I'm with you on this, I plan on playing an Orc Rogue, Tauren warrior and UD Warlock, with the rogue being my main.

Re: Epics, I believe that they just have like 10x the HP of a regular thing of the same level, and do a bit more damage, it doesn't scale like you think.  Epic L15 has way more HP than a L21 normal.

[Morfiend]

Re: Epics, I believe that they just have like 10x the HP of a regular thing of the same level, and do a bit more damage, it doesn't scale like you think.  Epic L15 has way more HP than a L21 normal.

A group would have a MUCH harder time with a mob 7 levels higher due to the miss/resist rates. The elite mobs have the same stats as normal mobs their level, except they have 10x the hit points, and do about 2 to 3 times the damage.

[AcidCat]

I love doing the quests, it gives me a goal other than grinding levels and the quests tend to give you tours of the zones if you follow them all. I also like the trade skills.

Another thing I love about WoW is the handcrafted feel of the zones.

 I can see myself playing a lot of different characters this game rather than focusing on one like I did in EQ.

I'm feeling the same, really enjoying the game. No way I could limit myself to only one character, but I've been having so much fun trying them all out, it's going to be hard to narrow it down to a manageable number to play.

[MrHat]

Re: Epics, I believe that they just have like 10x the HP of a regular thing of the same level, and do a bit more damage, it doesn't scale like you think.  Epic L15 has way more HP than a L21 normal.

A group would have a MUCH harder time with a mob 7 levels higher due to the miss/resist rates. The elite mobs have the same stats as normal mobs their level, except they have 10x the hit points, and do about 2 to 3 times the damage.

Liar, my bro (L20 Hunter) and me (L20 Paladin) had a much much harder time taking down a L22 Elite than we did a L27 normal.

[Alkiera]

And boats. The first time I took a boat I laughed at the red dot on the map thing. Sure it's not as immersive as EQ's boat rides but it's way more fun and a lot less bug prone I'm betting.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You wish.

I spent an hour trying to get from one continent to the other the other day.  Got on the boat in that town on the mainland near the night elf tree place, trying to get to Ironforge(so my druid could learn the 'mace' skill).  The boat goes out, the map comes up...  10 minutes later, I appear WAY up in the sky over some random zone in Lordaron.  Still on the boat, with the others... only I can't move.  Trying to move would cause a client crash.  If I didn't crash it, I'd soon get the loading screen again, and then I'd be back at the place I left from...

If I did try to move the client crashed.  If I then immediately got back in, I'd be on the boat, as it pulled away from the dock for my desired destination.  The 2nd time that happened, I managed to jump off into the water and swim to shore.

As far as dangerous travel...  I have no idea how many times I died on that run thru the wetlands to creatures so high their level was listed as ??.    It was alot, tho.  Most of my equipment was pretty banged up, prolly in the last 30% or so of durability.  I didn't really find it an enjoyable experience...  Especially given that most classes don't have a way to run any faster, so I had to continue jogging along while some giant lizard chased me, caught me, and ate me.

Alkiera

[MrHat]

That's what you get for playing an elf.

God Damn Night Elves are gay.

[sidereal]

Fucking night elves.  What a sweet idiot magnet. The idiot ratio in the other races is probably half what it would be without them.


I tried to roll up a night elf rogue while the Pacific servers were down this weekend, but the center of the newbie zone was a big pile of toons stripped 'naked' and macro-repeating the dance emote.  

The goggles did nothing.

[Mesozoic]

Sounds like the Human newbie zone.