Battlestar Galactica

[Gobbeldygook]

-The Ellen on the base star was great.  The Ellen on the galactica needs to go find a dick to choke and die on.

-"Adama, the people are almost in open revolt!  They can't handle any more accommodations of the cylons and a violent religious cult is operating on your ship!"
"You got a plan?"
"I need guns."
"kk bro."

Baltar used the Chewbacca Defense on Adama and it worked.  What the hell.

[Tebonas]

Is this supposed to show that Adamas judgement is impaired by the meds? From wanting to walk out in Baltar to giving his cult weapons, thats quite a leap.

[Tannhauser]

As for bringing the original Battlestar to the big-screen? FUCK'S SAKE, WHY??

It's obviously a ploy by Dirk Benedict.

Shut yo mouth about Dirk Benedict.  That man's a national treasure.

[Tebonas]

Ah, so obviously there was a cut scene where the leaders were contemplating bringing metal centurions onboard Galactica to mantain order.

In that light, Baltar babbling about the last "human" solution and Adama caving in makes more sense. It basically was "Give my people guns and you won't have to give the Cylons control".

I don't get how they could cut such an important scene in favor of Battlestar 90210 - the love triangle crapfest.

[sidereal]

Yes, trying to shoehorn the Calm Creator Mother Ellen from last episode into the drunk, vapid, bitchy Ellen of seasons past was a complete fucking failure.  Way to make it obvious that you're making it up as you go along.  Those are not the same character.  At all.  If her sudden memory reinstall turned her into the nice one, then she's still that one.

[Velorath]

Yes, trying to shoehorn the Calm Creator Mother Ellen from last episode into the drunk, vapid, bitchy Ellen of seasons past was a complete fucking failure.  Way to make it obvious that you're making it up as you go along.  Those are not the same character.  At all.  If her sudden memory reinstall turned her into the nice one, then she's still that one.

I don't think it's ever said that her memory reinstall turned her into the nice one.  She stated in the most recent episode that she's still the same Ellen.  She acted somewhat differently in the previous episode because she essentially is talking down to John who she considers to be her (very misguided) son.  It's not a stretch to assume that she acts differently towards her kids than she does toward her husband, especially after finding out that her husband has impregnated one of their kids.

[Arthur_Parker]

It didn't make sense, nobody asked her much of anything, they risked brain death with Starbuck's ex, letting him talk about the 13th tribe when he needed an operation.  Ellen shows up and it's all, "hey, how you doing?".

[Velorath]

It didn't make sense, nobody asked her much of anything, they risked brain death with Starbuck's ex, letting him talk about the 13th tribe when he needed an operation.  Ellen shows up and it's all, "hey, how you doing?".

What else do they need to ask her on screen that wouldn't just be reiterating to the audience what we already know now?

[Numtini]

We saw Ellen the week prior interacting with a fully knowledgeable Cavill. But on the Galactica, she's trying to talk to the other three as if they're the people she knows, but they're not. They are the fleet versions. She's expecting them to just accept the entire history and just act based on it, but that's not who they are.

Or that's how I took it.

[Arthur_Parker]

Did I miss the reason the 13th tribe was wiped out?

[Bunk]

Same reason the other 12 tribes were wiped out - Centurion uprising and revolt.

[Nevermore]

I'm unclear about what happened to the Centurions that wiped out the 13th tribe.  Did the armageddon wipe out everything, including the machines?  Not even a lone Wall-E left over?

[Arthur_Parker]

I'm unclear about what happened to the Centurions that wiped out the 13th tribe.  Did the armageddon wipe out everything, including the machines?  Not even a lone Wall-E left over?

That's what I wanted them to question her on,

[Fordel]

Ah, so obviously there was a cut scene where the leaders were contemplating bringing metal centurions onboard Galactica to mantain order.

In that light, Baltar babbling about the last "human" solution and Adama caving in makes more sense. It basically was "Give my people guns and you won't have to give the Cylons control".

I don't get how they could cut such an important scene in favor of Battlestar 90210 - the love triangle crapfest.

I would so rather have the Centurions.

[NowhereMan]

What I really don't get is her disgusted reaction to Tigh frakking a 3 with her whole "They're out children!" thing. She was not so long ago frakking Cavill and doesn't seem to freaked out by the memory, why is it suddenly so repugnant? Also Baltar's subplot, as it almost always seems to be, is just crappily written and feels forced. Give me guns! My followers are a bunch of crazy women and I've managed to betray humanity and you guys personally about half a dozen times but this time will different! Who could you trust more in the fleet than me to keep order? Frak I think they'd be better off with the centurions.

Actually I guess I could see Adama choosing Baltar over centurions but it seems bizarre that those are the "only" two options that he has. Lee had some strongish ties to the old Quorum, it seems weird that he doesn't know of any better groups of citizens or even be willing to try and create a civilian police force. Also how the hell has not having a police force not really come up before?

[Venkman]

Your last point is a great one, but they really seem to be struggling to reach the end now. They don't have time for good solutions in the longterm, only quick ones to finish the narrative. Probably with an armed militia up against boarding cylons and the predictable "we need to all get along" ending.

I don't see how they can possibly end this without a Harry Potter 17-years-later epilogue that closes things out in the most unsatisfying way possible.

[sidereal]

Yes, trying to shoehorn the Calm Creator Mother Ellen from last episode into the drunk, vapid, bitchy Ellen of seasons past was a complete fucking failure.  Way to make it obvious that you're making it up as you go along.  Those are not the same character.  At all.  If her sudden memory reinstall turned her into the nice one, then she's still that one.

I don't think it's ever said that her memory reinstall turned her into the nice one.  She stated in the most recent episode that she's still the same Ellen.  She acted somewhat differently in the previous episode because she essentially is talking down to John who she considers to be her (very misguided) son.  It's not a stretch to assume that she acts differently towards her kids than she does toward her husband, especially after finding out that her husband has impregnated one of their kids.

Your attempts to palliate the massive cognitive dissonance of the retconning of a character onto a previous character with a wildly different personality are noble, but fruitless.

[Velorath]

Don't worry I'm sure it all works into your theory of Ellen being an older 6 somehow 

[Fordel]

Actually I guess I could see Adama choosing Baltar over centurions but it seems bizarre that those are the "only" two options that he has. Lee had some strongish ties to the old Quorum, it seems weird that he doesn't know of any better groups of citizens or even be willing to try and create a civilian police force. Also how the hell has not having a police force not really come up before?

I want to say it has, both literally and in abstract. All these 'rebellions' against The military or the Galactica/Pegasus have come down to a base issue of the populace being under constant marshal law... or worse.

There's just always a new crisis to make everyone forget/not care every other week.


"Were not soldiers, you can't just send in your Marines and do what you want *KERSPLOSION Centurions storm in* OH GAWD HALP US MARINES HALP HALP!"



Ironically, I think the nearest they got to a true Civilian police force, was when the Cylons had occupied New Caprica or whatever that shitty planet was called.

[NowhereMan]

Yeah it has been an issue. My problem was more along the lines of why is it suddenly a huge issue now We've been looking at things related to keeping order in the fleet on and off for the whole series but I guess I've never seen that as an integral storyline element. It's a problem they've been facing while avoiding the Cylons or looking for earth, it's something they're dealing with here and now but not part of the goals of anyone else. Unless they're planning on ending the whole series with the 12 (13) colonies as a reasonably structured and functioning fleet of nomads for evermore, it has nothing to do with resolution of the series and there's not much time left for that. I prefer problems with order in the fleet a lot more than stupid soap opera stuff but I don't want half of the next two episodes filled with Baltar's Angels fighting crime followed by a series finale that's 90% exposition and answering all the questions through monologues.

[Oban]

Baltar's Angels would make for a great spin off.

They just need to find a beach first, those jumpsuits leave way too much to the imagination.

[Arthur_Parker]

I think I missed a few episodes at some point, is Kobol still intact?  Just wondering how all this is going to end as I don't see them drifting through space forever.

[Fordel]

I think Kobol is still just fine.


At this point, I fully expect something stupid like the fleet just being blown up by the other Cylons, then the Centurions turning on THOSE Cylons and the end screen going black with a stupid line like "...and it shall happen again".

[Merusk]

I think Kobol is still just fine.


At this point, I fully expect something stupid like the fleet just being blown up by the other Cylons, then the Centurions turning on THOSE Cylons and the end screen going black with a stupid line like "...and it shall happen again".

Considering they already set-up the basis for a Cent revolt on Cavil's ship and the general direction of and lack of satisfaction from the show so far this season I'd almost agree with that.

[Riggswolfe]

I think Kobol is still just fine.


At this point, I fully expect something stupid like the fleet just being blown up by the other Cylons, then the Centurions turning on THOSE Cylons and the end screen going black with a stupid line like "...and it shall happen again".

This brings up something I've been thinking about. Ellen said the Centurions were trying to create humanoid Cylons but having trouble. So the Five helped them in hopes that it'd help establish a lasting peace. So what do the humanoid cylons do? Take away the Centurion's free-will and brainwash the Five.

Yeah...good going there.

[Ironwood]

No-one is innocent on this show.

Save Dee.

[Tebonas]

Don't forget the jerking around of Billy and his resulting death.

No-one is innocent on this show.

[palmer_eldritch]

I think Kobol is still just fine.


At this point, I fully expect something stupid like the fleet just being blown up by the other Cylons, then the Centurions turning on THOSE Cylons and the end screen going black with a stupid line like "...and it shall happen again".

This brings up something I've been thinking about. Ellen said the Centurions were trying to create humanoid Cylons but having trouble. So the Five helped them in hopes that it'd help establish a lasting peace. So what do the humanoid cylons do? Take away the Centurion's free-will and brainwash the Five.

Yeah...good going there.

You would expect the centurions to be pretty upset with it all. In past episodes, it seemed that they had been turned from intelligent killing machines into mindless killing machines, which is bad enough.

But recent episodes suggest that they had developed their own religion and had basically decide to leave the humans alone until the human-cylons somehow fitted them with chips which turned them into mindless killing machines.

Now they have free will back, they should be doing something about it, you'd think.

[Fordel]

Well, not ALL of them have FreeWill back, just those with the rebel cylons.

[NowhereMan]

Plus they hadn't actually decided to leave the humans alone. That was part of the deal with the Final Five.

[Raguel]

I slightly disagree with those who say Ellen's character was different in the previous episode. She was still manipulative and self-serving. While Cavil wanted an audience in Boomer, IMO so did Ellen. The Earth Cylons gave the skin jobs free will and creativity? If they didn't have free will, how could they rebel? If they didn't have creativity, how could they build base stars and hybrids?


Four more episodes, and I can start whining about another show I used to love, but have come to dislike. I hear they are still making episodes of "Scrubs". 

[Arthur_Parker]

[HaemishM]

Looks like Arthur was right about Daniel.

[Nevermore]

Now see this episode, just like the last one, was entirely driven by characters interacting with each other.  The difference is, this one didn't wallow in insipid melodrama.

[Fordel]

I'll be glad when this shit is over .


I'll be pissed when nothing is resolved though.