Heroes

[MrHat]

Other than the future people protecting the lead actor, I loved the way it progressed to the terrorist/revival camp.

[voodoolily]

Killing Arthur Petrelli is going to return powers to the characters that didn't die when their powers were taken. So far, that's just Hiro and Peter, iirc. What I can't figure out is, how can future Sylar have Elle's son if she's dead? Oh wait, I smell a time-travel.

It'll be fun to see if the Marine uses his powers for  or for 

[kaid]

Did you not notice his shaking as he got injected. I would not be surpised to see him as the reason the earth shatters due to some kind of termor power.

[MrHat]

What I can't figure out is, how can future Sylar have Elle's son if she's dead? Oh wait, I smell a time-travel.

What?

[Venkman]

Wait. In the future where Peter got Sylar's ability, was Sylar's son the son of Elle?

And if Arthur's death returns powers to those who didn't die when he took them, why isn't Peter all Sylar again?

Hiro I can explain away because I'm not sure how power transfer could work in this scenario through a 16 year different. But then, I also don't know how Arthur got the power to go back in time to take time travel power from Hiro either. There was that throwaway line about other people with the same power, but that would mean Arthur could travel through time all along, or magically found the power to steal in the time frame from somehow discovering who held the Light to whoever got it to whoever had it 16 years later. 

I'm sure it'll all be retconned. That paragraph is the most thought I've given to this show this season. It's best when you just ride the coaster of whatever the writers thought was a good idea for that episode.

[voodoolily]

Wait. In the future where Peter got Sylar's ability, was Sylar's son the son of Elle?

And if Arthur's death returns powers to those who didn't die when he took them, why isn't Peter all Sylar again?

Elle being baby mama was my assumption. Arthur died right at the end, so Peter doesn't know he has his powers back yet. That Arthur was there 16 years in the past is a bit of a conundrum, but I don't claim to have all the answers. :P

[Nevermore]

Hiro I can explain away because I'm not sure how power transfer could work in this scenario through a 16 year different. But then, I also don't know how Arthur got the power to go back in time to take time travel power from Hiro either. There was that throwaway line about other people with the same power, but that would mean Arthur could travel through time all along, or magically found the power to steal in the time frame from somehow discovering who held the Light to whoever got it to whoever had it 16 years later. 

Arthur got the power to teleport and time travel from Peter.  I have no idea how he knew to go back 16 years and get the catalyst from Hiro, though.  The only thing I can think of is after Sylar told him Claire escaped, Arthur decided to just go back and get the catalyst himself from Ishi Nakamura on the day she died (so as not to mess with the time stream, would be my guess).  He probably would have known she had the catalyst since they were all in that cabal together at one point.

As for Hiro and Peter getting their powers back when Arthur died, that's an assumption.  You could be right but we don't know yet.

[Merusk]

Hiro I can explain away because I'm not sure how power transfer could work in this scenario through a 16 year different. But then, I also don't know how Arthur got the power to go back in time to take time travel power from Hiro either. There was that throwaway line about other people with the same power, but that would mean Arthur could travel through time all along, or magically found the power to steal in the time frame from somehow discovering who held the Light to whoever got it to whoever had it 16 years later. 

Arthur got the power to teleport and time travel from Peter.  I have no idea how he knew to go back 16 years and get the catalyst from Hiro, though.  The only thing I can think of is after Sylar told him Claire escaped, Arthur decided to just go back and get the catalyst himself from Ishi Nakamura on the day she died (so as not to mess with the time stream, would be my guess).  He probably would have known she had the catalyst since they were all in that cabal together at one point.

As for Hiro and Peter getting their powers back when Arthur died, that's an assumption.  You could be right but we don't know yet.

You got where he got the time travel from, nice even my wife missed that one.  However, You forget how Arthur was sketching the future at the end of the episode 2 weeks ago.  I figured that's where he saw himself getting "The Light" from Hiro.

[Nevermore]

But is it really sketching the future if it happened in the past? 

[KallDrexx]

I don't understand,

Wasn't future sylar convinced still that he was Peter's brother?

This show's starting to annoy me.

[gimpyone]

He could still be a half-brother. 

[Samwise]

In that future, Arthuer Petrelli had gotten his way and gave everyone powers.  Presumably he was able to do so because Sylar never slipped his leash, never killed Elle, never went and became a lie detector, and never killed Arthur.

Going on the theory that the only way the future changes is through the actions of someone who's come back in time from that future (i.e. Peter), all that's left to make sense of the plot is to figure out the chain of cause and effect that goes from Peter knowing what happens in the future to Sylar going rogue.  I think I'd have to go back through the old episodes to do that, but I bet a case could be made.

[Merusk]

But is it really sketching the future if it happened in the past? 

Apparently so, unless the "last comic" was drawn 17 years previously, lest you forgot that's how Hiro wound-up there in the first place. 

[shiznitz]

I am halfway through Season 2 on my iTouch and am losing interest. Hiro in Japan is annoying. The whiny Brazilian babe with the black eye power is annoying. Claire's new boyfriend is a douche.  I bought the whole season so I am oging to finish it, but right now Season 3 ain't happening.

[Morfiend]

Maybe there is hope for this show after all.

From i09:

Bryan Fuller is going to be returning to writing for the show, he did a lot of the first season.

Interview snippet:

On What The Show Did Wrong:

It became too dense and fell into certain sci-fi trappings. For instance, in the “Villains” arc, when you talk about formulas and catalysts, it takes the face off the drama. And I think the goal for everybody is to put a face back on the drama. You have to save something with a face; otherwise you don’t understand what you’re caring about. I thought the "Villains" arc started out very interestingly, and then became sort of muddy and dense and I couldn't get my hooks into the characters to understand their motivations. I also started to feel confused about what people's abilities were. One of the great things about the first season is that the metaphor for their abilities was very clear. Those metaphors seem to have gotten complicated in the past two seasons.

On Dealing With The Size Of The Cast:

People will die. And some will return... We're also going to tell fewer stories per episode. We're going to limit it to three or four with one big one that you can wrap the stories around. We're altering the structure of the show so that there's a very clear A story that takes up a larger percentage of the show so that that story gets traction.

On Why The Future Of The Series Is More Buffy, Less X-Files:

We need to get back into a character place, because that's where this story started: Very clean, superhero metaphors to everyday life. That's the path that we're taking. But it is a big ship so it's going to take a little while to turn it... It's not necessarily a reboot as much as it is going back to the basic spirit of the show and pulling people back in. I don't think the issues with the show have been about the serialization as much as about the density of the stories that have been serialized.

[Evil Elvis]

Word-of-mouth for the next season is going to have to be phenomenal to get me to watch again.  If they never tell another time travel storyline, it'll be too soon.

[Nevermore]

Hallelujah!  He gets it!

Just don't kill that little group of Hiro, Ando, Parkman and Daphne.  Kill any or all of the rest for all I care.  Even Sylar's schtick has gotten old.

[Xuri]

They should kill of all other characters apart from Hiro and Ando and convert it to a "japanese time-travelling duo travel in time!"-show where every episode shows them travelling to a different place. In time.

[Nevermore]

Yes.  They could have an episode where they run into Scott Bakula. 

[Abagadro]

Hiro and Ando's Excellent Adventure.

[Nevermore]

Well, tonight's episode concluded the 'Villains' arc.

[HaemishM]

Not that impressed with the ending. For a finale with superheroes, there wasn't a whole helluva lot of superhero style fighting. The peek ahead into the Chapter 4 story was not encouraging, but not bad enough that I'm just done.

[Xuri]

Meh.

[Slyfeind]

Yeah, the last few episodes have felt like "Oh crap how can we fix this before it's over?" Very rushed, not bad, I still like it, but it's been better.

I have a feeling they know what's gone wrong. I hope they have the opportunity to make a better season....

[Grimwell]

It's Wednesday, so no spoiler tag. You've had your chance and I'm not going to spoil anything anyway.

The episode left me feeling better than the rest of the season and story arc. The fact that there was closure on a bunch of stuff, even if it wasn't all great, really helped. More time travel on a new person was totally meh though. It's hard enough to deal with that stunt without more people who can pull it.

I'll watch the next run, with hopes that the way this one ended "Crap, let's clean some of this up." results in a better start to the next line.

[Nerf]

The "running so fast you go backwards in time" bit really bothered me, it bothered me even more that they tried to do the whole "IT'S SCIENCE!" thing.  Traveling close to the speed of light would allow you to technically go forward in time, but not backwards.  I can take magically blinking and poof you're in feudal japan, but for fucks sake don't try to justify it with science.

I'm also really upset that Hiro didn't get his powers back, I would be happy with a weekly Hiro and Ando adventure hour, so I'm bitter.

What the fuck was up with wise-cracking african shaman reappearing at the end?

Did Peter get /all/ of his powers back, or did the injection just give him the ability to fly?

Sigh, I really want to love Heroes, but they're making it harder and harder every season.

[HaemishM]

Did Peter get /all/ of his powers back, or did the injection just give him the ability to fly?

I'm guessing that he got his original power back, which was the ability to absorb people's powers if they were around him. Since Nathan was around, he soaked up the filght ability.

Or they could have just used that as a reset button his overpowered-ness, setting him back to just flight.

[voodoolily]

Technically, we don't know if Hiro has his power back, since it didn't seem like he tried to use it after he realized Arthur had taken it.

I really like Ando's sparkly pink super-charge power.

[schild]

I heard from this dude, that heard it from another dude, who heard it from this other dude at a comic book convention that this show jumped the shark and fell right off the end of a flat earth.

[schild]

Having watched through the last episode now, I have deleted 60GB of Heroes from my computer. I recommend you do the same. Delete Heroes, Save the World.

[Nevermore]

I'm going to give Bryan Fuller a chance to right the ship.  If he can't do it in the next arc, then the series is done.

[schild]

I don't think I'm gonna because I'm too pissed that he chose Heroes over Pushing Daisies, which is bullshit. Though, very obviously, it's a money thing.

[Cyrrex]

I'm not sure what to think.  Sylar probably should be toast now, at least according to the definition of "stab the invinicible guys in the spine right at the base of the brain" rule.  On the other hand, Papa Patrelli shouldn't die just because of a silly headshot wound...the forehead, mind you.  He got Adam's and Peter's powers, so no way that should finish him off.  I hope I'm wrong about both, though.  I also hope that Fire mom is gone, because she was just fucking annoying (though how she can die in a fire is beyond me...I think Noah said something about how it was going to make the building collapse, which would make more sense, but I wasn't seeing that).

When Hiro punched the ice queen in the nose, I near lost it.  He, Ando and Parkman make this show, and even Nemesis to a lesser degree.  They should just make it about those four, and let the rest of the characters.

And Mohinder may now be cured of his one power, but shouldn't he now have another?  Hopefully it's the power to not be such a fickle nutsack. 

[Bunk]

The dossier on Mohinder at the end said something along the lines of Adaptive Evolution or something. I'm guessing he still has some of what he had before, just without turning in to a cockroach.

I'll continue watching because there has always been at least one sub group I've been able to enjoy. In this case of course its the Hiro/Parkman gang.

I totally lost it laughing when they "resolved" Marine guy. Was bored to tears by Sylar's Saw ripoff though, and found Pyro-mom's ending to be amazingly anti-climatic. Usualy scenes like that are meant to choke you up - this one failed bad at that.

[Cyrrex]

It failed because she was a sucky character and I, personally, was quietly rooting for her to die.  If they wanted gripping TV, they'd have had Noah shoot himself.  They offed her because she was a lame character.

Or so I fucking hope.

I thought Marine guy was stupid too...

Marine Guy:  Sir! Are you okay sir?
Nathan:  Pretty much, dude.  Hey!  How's that whole injecting-a-platoon-of-marines thing going?
Marine Guy:  Sir!  We got worried about you when you didn't show up Sir!  Even though the actual boss is dead and we didn't know that at all, Sir!  And who are you, by the way?  Sir?  You just kinda of looked important.
Nathan:  Wat.