Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[Mrbloodworth]

I don't think so, or at least, I don't think it could exist as ONLY a story about Sarah going after Skynet.  My (probably faulty) reasoning is because so many of the other characters are just too compelling to just go ahead a dump like that.  Cameron, John (Dekker really came into his own, I thought), Derek, even Ellison and John Henry.  Maybe even Weaver.

Damn, I loved this show.

Hay, i was joining in on the "Grasping at straws" thing going on, i am quite sure the show is over.     

[patience]

I don't think so, or at least, I don't think it could exist as ONLY a story about Sarah going after Skynet.  My (probably faulty) reasoning is because so many of the other characters are just too compelling to just go ahead a dump like that.  Cameron, John (Dekker really came into his own, I thought), Derek, even Ellison and John Henry.  Maybe even Weaver.

Damn, I loved this show.

Well that is the producer's problem to fix. Their storylines focusing on Sarah haven't been as compelling as the other characters. I think the first thing that needs to be discarded or reduced significantly are her narrative monologues.

[tazelbain]

Three Dots, Motherfuckers.  Three Dots.  Almost as catchy as "Save Cheerleader..." 

[shiznitz]

Great finish. Even if it isn't cancelled it would be a mess to pick up from here.

[Cyrrex]

A mess?  With these writers?  I doubt that very much.

Though it is probably a moot issue, anyway.

[shiznitz]

With everyone in the future, it would be a completely different show. I am not saying the writers couldn't adapt but the basic premise evaporated once JC is actually part of the post-Skynet rebellion.

[Cyrrex]

Perhaps, but I guess I'd be fine with it becoming something other than SC Chronicles.  I basically like all the characters on this show, so they could basically run in either direction and I'd be good with it.  They could make a show with John Henry playing with toys and talking to himself, and I'd probably still watch.

[schild]

They could make a show with John Henry playing with toys and talking to himself, and I'd probably still watch.

I rolled a twenty.

[Cyrrex]

Heh, yeah.

[HaemishM]

The John Henry/Cromartie actor did such a fantastic job with that, I'd watch a show just about him. If the show shifted to just the future with John Conner and the Reese's Pieces, I'd watch. If it was just Ebony and Ivory (Sarah and Ellison), I'd watch that too. These writers have shown they can take a show I thought would suck from the get-go and made it must-watch TV.

[Tannhauser]

That actor that plays John Henry also played the guy who shot Wild Bill Hickock in Deadwood.  He's a tremendous actor and I hope he gets more work.

[Ironwood]

Was also in that Pitt Jesse James film as 'Bloke that Got Shot No3.'

Even there he was good.

[Tebonas]

He was also good as the villain in Life, even with bad russian accent.

[Mrbloodworth]

That actor that plays John Henry also played the guy who shot Wild Bill Hickock in Deadwood.  He's a tremendous actor and I hope he gets more work.

He had two roles in deadwood.

[HaemishM]

That actor that plays John Henry also played the guy who shot Wild Bill Hickock in Deadwood.  He's a tremendous actor and I hope he gets more work.

He had two roles in deadwood.

And both were teh awesome.

[Nevermore]

Interview with BAG. 

[Triforcer]

Interview with BAG. 

He subscribes to my theory of what happened! I was really confused when everyone here started saying that John Connor merely went to the "beginning" of the resistance.  As I watched, I assumed he jumped to a future where he never existed and someone else had stepped it up as resistance leader.  It seemed obvious from the way the scene was presented. 

[Arthur_Parker]

I don't think it was that obvious, I assumed there was a certain amount of flex in the time line for details of JD to change, even JC's role in it, but the key detail of JC sending his father back in time was more "immovable" due to being the whole point of T1 and JC's continued existence. 

I did think it was odd they didn't attempt to make the BAG look younger in the final scene, but his father did look really young. 

[Wasted]

They made it very obvious that no-one knew who John Connor was, so therefore this was his first time in any incarnation in the post JD future.  What they didn't do is make you realise that this an 'alternative' future, rather than the time he starts assuming leadership with his priveledged knowledge of what happened and how to reprogram Terminators.  Everyone that needs to be there is there, Alison can still be captured and replaced by Cameron, his father can still be sent back in time, and later on so can Derek.  There was nothing there that screamed to me, this is how things would have been if John Connor never lead the resistence from day one.

Even with the time travel foolery though I'm gonna be annoyed if there is no third season.

[JWIV]

Spoilers for what would have been/will be the third season of Terminator and some talk about it and Dollhouse:

http://io9.com/5213470/dollhouse-and-terminator-really-not-canceled-yet-say-insiders

[Nevermore]

Interview with BAG. 

He subscribes to my theory of what happened! I was really confused when everyone here started saying that John Connor merely went to the "beginning" of the resistance.  As I watched, I assumed he jumped to a future where he never existed and someone else had stepped it up as resistance leader.  It seemed obvious from the way the scene was presented. 

That's what I thought after watching it as well.  It seemed like an 'Oh shit, they really fucked things up now.'

[tazelbain]

So tired of Multi-world theory.  It say nothing matters because everything happens.

[Tarami]

Watched five episodes now. It's true that if this is pulled into the abyss with that piece of shit entertainment that is Dollhouse, it's pretty sad. Not that I find this to be the most riveting television I've seen (yet), but it's good enough. Dekker is not as much of an annoying snot as I thought he would be. I do think they're overplaying Camerons' aspirations to humanity though.

Edit:
I think I'm in love with Garret Dillahunt.

Edit II:
Season 2 had a damn good starter episode.

Edit III:
Holy fuck Jess is an annoying bitch.

[palmer_eldritch]

Watched five episodes now. It's true that if this is pulled into the abyss with that piece of shit entertainment that is Dollhouse, it's pretty sad. Not that I find this to be the most riveting television I've seen (yet), but it's good enough. Dekker is not as much of an annoying snot as I thought he would be. I do think they're overplaying Camerons' aspirations to humanity though.

Edit:
I think I'm in love with Garret Dillahunt.

Edit II:
Season 2 had a damn good starter episode.

Edit III:
Holy fuck Jess is an annoying bitch.

It's season two that's teh awesome really.

[Tarami]

Edit III was really done eight episodes into season 2. Then I tired of it all I suppose because I haven't seen an episode since then.

[Cyrrex]

Blasphemy!

[Rishathra]

It does stumble a bit in the middle of the season, Tarami.  It definitely redeems itself by the end.  Fight your way through it.  You won't be disappointed.

[Tarami]

Sorry, I can't make myself watch this.

To me, this is the dialogue:

John: I just want to be a normal kid!
Sarah: You can't be a normal kid. OOOH! LOOK AT THE COLOURS!
Cameron: You do not want to be a normal kid. Don't argue with my foolproof logic.
Derek: Atleast you have a normal bed! Me, I'm stuck in the sofa! Did I tell you about that time that will come when my cousin's granddad's neighbour took an artillery shell up his ass for your sake?
Jesse: I'm so tired of you fighting! Now see what you did! I have to go kill someone with my bare hands just to get my mood back!

Ellison: You guys seem to have so much fun together. Why won't you let me in?
Cromartie: They don't love you like I do, Ellison. I want to have little dark-chassis'ed Asimos with you. Please say yes, or atleast preach to me on religious topics in order to distract my non-theological CPU.

Riley: You don't understand what it's like to be the saviour of mankind! I do!
Everyone except John: What the fuck is she doing here and why hasn't someone killed her already?
John: I don't know, I'm not even doing her eventhough I'm sixteen and I'm walking in a constant high of testosterone.
Cameron: Right now I'm programmed to feel rejected.
Sarah: I'm sorry my snot of a son is assexual. Does this straight-jacket look good on me?

Cromartie: Are you really sure you're not okay with me killing all of you?

P.S.
Don't take it too seriously.

[HaemishM]

Well-played.

But seriously, it does get much better. Lots of the things you're seeing now pay off big-time towards the end of the season. Just make it past the 3-dots Sarah's gone batshit crazy episodes, and you'll thank us.

[Cyrrex]

Yep.  And to be honest, this show on a bad day is better than almost everything else on TV.

I can't believe I'll probably never see a new episode of this.

[Big Gulp]

Yep.  And to be honest, this show on a bad day is better than almost everything else on TV.

I can't believe I'll probably never see a new episode of this.

The thing is T:TSCC pulls down an absolutely obscene amount of DVRing/Hulu watching.  It's also always in the top 5 iTunes shows purchased.  The problem is that these networks are still hanging on to their old model of following the Nielsen's above all else.  I guess that's a business model, but it's a business model that's only going to get progressively older and grayer.  People our age (and I'm in my 30's, mind you) don't watch TV on someone else's schedule.  There are just too many competing forms of entertainment and television had better recognize that fact before they're stuck showing reruns of Murder She Wrote and Matlock for the geriatrics.

Of course, they could always pump out more episodes of shit like American Idol since our country is evidently composed of tasteless mongoloids.

[Cyrrex]

I'm in my mid thirties, and I agree with you - I actually tend to watch this one live, but that's more coincidence than anything.

...but do you actually have numbers to back up your statements on the DVRing/Hulu rate?  Not calling you out, just immensely curious.  I'm happy to grab at whatever straws I can.

[Big Gulp]

I'm in my mid thirties, and I agree with you - I actually tend to watch this one live, but that's more coincidence than anything.

...but do you actually have numbers to back up your statements on the DVRing/Hulu rate?  Not calling you out, just immensely curious.  I'm happy to grab at whatever straws I can.

Here ya go.  A full 30% of the this show's viewers watch it via DVR.  That's fucking huge.  Hulu won't release numbers, but I've read from unnamed sources at Hulu that it's usually their 3rd or 4th most watched show.  Likewise their numbers are really good through iTunes and Amazon.

The problem is that this a show for young people that's been shunted over to the Friday night death slot, and when you're only watching the standard Nielsen numbers that's pretty much a death sentence.

[Cyrrex]

Interesting, thanks.

Also, I'd wager that fox.com itself sees a lot of action for this show, particularly given that you can get it in HD (unlike Hulu...I think?).

[Merusk]

I've linked to why DVR, Hulu and Netflix don't matter yet.  They're still far, far too small a market share to cater to, and they don't bring in ad-dollars which far, far eclipse - with a single two minute commercial block -  even being the #1 downloaded show on iTunes @ $2 a show.

Someday, yes, the internet and DVRs might win.  However, cable companies themselves are working hard to make sure that day is a long, long way off.