Darkfall "Released"

[sidereal]

Edit: I suppose I should point out I've chosen to get myself very close to this situation and I'm choosing to not be wordy over it out of respect for the people involved.

I've chosen to get myself very close to Kate Beckinsale.  I will be very wordy over it if it goes well.

[tmp]

Pictures are worth a thousand words each.

[jakonovski]

Edit: I suppose I should point out I've chosen to get myself very close to this situation and I'm choosing to not be wordy over it out of respect for the people involved.

Dude, that's like dangling a rotting zebra carcass just outside the reach of a pack of starving hyenas. Very, very cruel.

[Hutch]

That was more of a euphemism than it was an analogy.

[HaemishM]

Choice is what should be offered, using Darkfall to say open pvp (area control pvp, looting pvp, or whatever you want to call it) is unpopular misses the point, I could say Vanguard proves PVE is unpopular using the same logic.

Before I read past this quote in the thread, I want to clarify.

OPEN PVP is what I was talking about. I SPECIFICALLY SAID OPEN PVP. WoW, no matter how much world PVP is going on, is not open PVP. You cannot destroy ANYTHING. You cannot STEAL anything other than time. Horde will never completely remove the ability for Alliance to log back in and survive 10 seconds from login forever and ever. WoW is sport PVP and it proved a theory of mine quite well - people will PVP but only if you protect their sensitive little bungholes from being repeatedly and maliciously raped over and over by the "hardcore."

Darkfall's open PVP design continues to prove that despite all their blustery bravado, open PVP hardcore fanatics are just as much a bunch of whiny pussies as the carebears they deride. It also proves that if you provide the ability for people to completely ruin someone else's gameplay experience, whether by looting their rotting corpses or destroying their guild's city, you will have a steady drain on subscriptions until there is no one left but the whiny hardcore douches who drove everyone else off. Darkfall just accelerated the timeline by being a laggy, syphilis-infested wasteland of all the worst computer programming mistakes ever.

As for Vanguard, what it proved is that bone-achingly grindy PVE rife with bugs and system requirements from next year's line of computers and an emphasis on gameplay that requires a solo player to suck up to 39 or the most OCD-challenged cunts on the planet is no more mass market than being a faceless cockgobbler in the PVP Shitheel Brigade.

[Nerf]

OPEN PVP is what I was talking about. I SPECIFICALLY SAID OPEN PVP. WoW, no matter how much world PVP is going on, is not open PVP. You cannot destroy ANYTHING. You cannot STEAL anything other than time. Horde will never completely remove the ability for Alliance to log back in and survive 10 seconds from login forever and ever.

You of course already know this, but it's a game, it's all pixels, and the only thing that you could ever steal in any game was time, some games just let you steal more time than others, or make the time stolen a cockstabbing, unfun grind to get back.

[HaemishM]

Not all time is equal. 

[Arthur_Parker]

HaemishM you just need to channel that rage that into a Darkfall review.  I'd read it.

[sidereal]

OPEN PVP is what I was talking about. I SPECIFICALLY SAID OPEN PVP. WoW, no matter how much world PVP is going on, is not open PVP. You cannot destroy ANYTHING. You cannot STEAL anything other than time. Horde will never completely remove the ability for Alliance to log back in and survive 10 seconds from login forever and ever.

You of course already know this, but it's a game, it's all pixels, and the only thing that you could ever steal in any game was time, some games just let you steal more time than others, or make the time stolen a cockstabbing, unfun grind to get back.

And you already know this, but MMO players as a whole tend to invest identity into their characters and take it personally when bad things happen to them.  You can cry 'ITS PIXELS ITS PIXELS' all you want, but as long as people are emoting, getting MMO Married, going to virtual dance parties, being proud of weird costume shit that has no effect on gameplay, etc, etc, then they have personal investment, and they will be sad when some nob ganks them.  And being sad is not something want to pay money for.

This is true to a lesser extent in self-selecting exclusively nob environments like Darkfall, but it's still true.  There you're less making them sad because they're being violated and more making them sad because you're whittling their arrogance.  But sad is sad and wasted time has nothing to do with it.

[ashrik]

HaemishM you just need to channel that rage that into a Darkfall review.  I'd read it.

I look forward to reading the Tasos response to that adjective-laden diatribe already

[ashrik]

Uh, yes. I know.

Edit: I suppose I should point out I've chosen to get myself very close to this situation and I'm choosing to not be wordy over it out of respect for the people involved.

Oh come on

[K9]

TMNT flashback

[schild]

God that wasn't even supposed to be chumming the waters. You people like train wrecks way too much.

[UnSub]

God that wasn't even supposed to be chumming the waters. You people like train wrecks way too much.

Some people are train spotters, others are train wreck spotters.

It will be interesting to see what Eurogamer does - are they going to hang their original reviewer out to dry? Or is the new review going to confirm what was said and just get Tasos angry and he'll bring out the server logs again (which would be more entertaining)?

[Bzalthek]

God that wasn't even supposed to be chumming the waters. You people like train wrecks way too much.

For some of us, it is the only bright light in this miserable existence.  You have the power to walk through the land of the blind and spread that light.  Don't waste it!

[schild]

God that wasn't even supposed to be chumming the waters. You people like train wrecks way too much.

For some of us, it is the only bright light in this miserable existence.  You have the power to walk through the land of the blind and spread that light.  Don't waste it!

Yea, that's not my job.

[sidereal]

God that wasn't even supposed to be chumming the waters. You people like train wrecks way too much.

For some of us, it is the only bright light in this miserable existence.  You have the power to walk through the land of the blind and spread that light.  Don't waste it!

Hey, it's like that movie Blindness.  We're all wandering around naked and pooping on the floor and schild knows the first aid kit is, but then he stabs Tasos in the neck while Darkfall burns down and Danny Glover says something thoughtful and endearing!

[HaemishM]

HaemishM you just need to channel that rage that into a Darkfall review.  I'd read it.

I've been very tempted, but I keep thinking I really just don't have time. Or to put it more properly, I don't have time to review a game that I know is complete and utter shit from the get-go. Reviewing a shitty movie takes maybe 3 hours of my time, and in the way there's at least some comedy no matter how unintentional. But my game time - I'd constantly be thinking, I could be playing LotRO or FIFA 09 or BF2 or BF 2142 or TF2 or Empire: Total War or something that didn't try to jam its leprous cock into my eye socket while insulting me for not being manly enough to take it and like it.

It would be grand fun to see Tasos's response but in the end, Tasos would be right. I'd be writing the review with the preconceived notion that this game sucks monkey anus through a straw.

[Lantyssa]

You're just not hardcore enough to write a review.

[ashrik]

Many are called, but few are chosen

[LC]

Who actually tried the game anyway. I'm too lazy to scroll up.

[ashrik]

Well very few of us, that goes without saying.

That's part of the problem.

I doubt that any person who comes up "off the street" would have an enjoyable experience with this game.

I've edited this very much so now. I'm really drunbk. goodnight.

[Hawkbit]

I wanted to play it to see how they approached certain game design areas, even if everyone says it's broken.  But I don't trust them with my CC info and I'm not going to hunt down a subscription on a game I know I won't play for more than a few weeks. 

[Falconeer]

I tried it.

[Falwell]

Ahahahahaahhaahahahahahah

Put your drink down before watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw2-3IiOPA8 (via TTH)

[K9]

oh

wow

[Engels]

  Well, maybe we should support Darkfall after all. As some form of roach motel for the mentally infirm.

[Surlyboi]

That's awesome. A bunch of people on a game that nobody else will play, doing something that no one but them cares about.

"From the heart of my parents' poopsock and cheeto-filled basement, I stab at thee!"

[Modern Angel]

I repeat: I can't imagine why a prospective MMO dev house wouldn't want to gear a game toward those people.

[Surlyboi]

Mostly because said prospective MMO dev house is made up of those same people, only slightly more functional. I guess a million monkeys actually could come up with Shakespeare.

[Modern Angel]

I think you're missing my point. Want to know why fewer and fewer PvP centric MMOs are coming out, despite it being a chink in WoW's armor and actual decent ideas for PvP being floated on forums and dev blogs everywhere? Watch that video.

There is no fucking way, none, that I would want my playerbase made up of those people. And not just the guy crying big buttery tears in the narration; look at all those fuckers making some protest statement by declaring war on a one person Eurogamer guild. Why would I want the headache of making my niche game for them when I could make a niche carebear game and make just as much money with a tenth of the community related crap?

[Surlyboi]

Nope. I got your point. I think you missed mine.

The makers of Darkfall WANT the mouthbreathers because, "No John, you are teh demons."

They think that the stupidity exhibited in that video is a sign that there's a solid following for the game, not what you and I know; that it's a sign that their key demographic is a bunch of fucking nimrods.

[ashrik]

You can't make Youtube videos in green text

[Hawkbit]

I'm leaning towards this being a good thing overall.  If it keeps these mouthbreathers off the streets and in their basements, I'm all for it.  

[LC]

Fewer and Fewer? I can't remember any time when there was more than 1 - 2 pvp centric mmos in production. The average retard likes shiny objects, and some kind of beep to let him know that he did something right. Those people are no better than lab animals that are trained to do something for a reward. You don't really get that in pvp centric games.