Darkfall "Released"

[SnakeCharmer]

Where's the NO YOU! .jpg when you need it...

[Hawkbit]

The developer response is the perfect review for me.  Not that I had any intention of playing Darkfall to begin with. 

What's interesting to me is that two days ago I had a similar situation IRL.  Six months ago I hired a business to perform work on my house.  They did a half-ass job and slightly damaged my property in the process.  I called their offices and they refused to do anything (it was only $120 in damage, so it's easier to suck it up than small claims it).  So I did an Angie's List report giving them an F and even posted pictures of how they damaged my property.  Last month they finally get around to calling me, saying my issue slipped through the corporate cracks and they want to resolve it.  And they did.  They gave me my money back and they fixed my property.  I agreed to edit my report with an update on the process. 

Two days ago they call me back and tell me they are upset because I didn't edit the review into an A.  In fact, I left it as an F because while they did resolve the issue, it never should have been done improperly in the first place.  Not to mention their initial refusal to fix what they broke.  She got pretty damn close to a threatening tone in her voice, but she didn't have anything to hold over my head and at the end of the call she was begging me to change it.

Advice to those being reviewed:  Man up and bring a modicum of professionalism to the table. 

[Mrbloodworth]

Where's the NO YOU! .jpg when you need it...

[tmp]

So Taco fires another shot!

This isn't a one man operation. There are 40 professional developers here

While it's probably technically true, it's still

[Nebu]

Everyone knows that you need to wallow in shit for 100 hours before you can even begin to realize that you're wallowing in shit.   

 

[kildorn]

The majority of our players love the game.

Well yes, if you use your fanbase as a litmus test, chances are you'll get a positive score on things you've done. If the majority of your players hated the game, why would they still be players, exactly?

[NiX]

Can we get Haemish to play DF? Convince Taco we're here to give an unbiased review with fraps to make sure he can't claim a whole 3 minutes logged in.

[patience]

That's a bit over the top. From my beta experience I knew already the review was off in several ways. The game has a lot of retarded flaws but there's no need to fabricate new shit like the lack of hit detection, missing lore to provide context and everyone going about their business trying to murder you.

The only thing he got right worth hearing out was to use your credit card at your own peril.

That's not over the top. Go check their forums. Or better yet, look at it through the eyes of someone who just checked their forums for the first time in six months. They're borderline goddamned threatening to firebomb the Eurogamer offices.

I haven't seen the threats to destroy physical or virtual property but I wouldn't put it past some of them from past observations. What I didn't appreciate was that the reviewer felt he had to make up nonsense to get his point across. That's just poor form on his part and it damages his and now Eurogamer's reputation.

They could've stayed above the devs and the community if they hadn't lied repeatedly.

[Stormwaltz]

Tasos' response to this reminds me of the sort of thing I would have done when I was 25 and angry.

[schild]

Kieron is gonna rip it apart.

[schild]

We also don’t believe that the 9 hours of MMORPG playtime Eurogamer is satisfied with, is anywhere near enough to review a MMORPG game of this size. It’s not even enough to get first impressions and these say very little about the game experience.

Nine hours is more than enough. Sorry.

Also, I'd say the first 15 minutes matters more than the other 8 minutes and 45 seconds. Aventurine has an argument to make, sure, but they're not making a good one.

[kildorn]

I'm sure they'd be fine with a 9 hour /played glowing review.

While I think it's okay to be upset at a reviewer just flat out not playing your game much, it's another takeaway that the reviewer flat out didn't want to play your game. You can bust out the "it's not FOR you" thing, but the DF fans seem to be busting out the "the point of the game is to chase away the weak in under a day /played!" card. Which is another way of saying "we didn't want to make money anyways"

[patience]

So much for keeping this under the rug. 

[Mrbloodworth]

[Hindenburg]

Shitty comic. The geeks are the jerks, the unwashed masses don't even know what DF is.

[Draegan]

We also don’t believe that the 9 hours of MMORPG playtime Eurogamer is satisfied with, is anywhere near enough to review a MMORPG game of this size. It’s not even enough to get first impressions and these say very little about the game experience.

Nine hours is more than enough. Sorry.

Also, I'd say the first 15 minutes matters more than the other 8 minutes and 45 seconds. Aventurine has an argument to make, sure, but they're not making a good one.

I agree with this as well.  What you're going to find out in the first 9 hours, let alone first hour, is going to give you enough to go on when it comes to an initial review of the game.

100 hours?  Pfft for one review?  That equivalent to 2.5 weeks of work.

[Nebu]

Shitty comic. The geeks are the jerks, the unwashed masses don't even know what DF is.

If you played MUDs in the 80's and were on BBS's you'd readily understand that the general online populous has changed... A LOT!

[Hindenburg]

Back in the 80's? Sure, I'd have to take your word for it, which I'll readily do, but in the 96 quake times the internet already was infested with assholes.

[Draegan]

We were all shit heads in the 90s in BBS/MUDs. 

[HaemishM]

Most gaming sites understand this and they’re using actual Darkfall players logging 100s of hours before they review our game. We believe that this is the only way to go in writing a complete review of an MMORPG like Darkfall.

Fuck right off with that nonsense. What that essentially says is that only someone with such rabid dedication to the game that they play what amounts to a Bioware RPG's worth of time before they can review it pretty much would guarantee that only the most dedicated drooling retard fanboi will ever review the game. Rather than buy a good review, they want to browbeat one out of an obsessive compulsive twat.

[Surlyboi]

The internet always has been and always will be populated in the main by mouthbreathers, retards, bullshit artists and pedos. Almost everyone on this board was and maybe still is one or more of those. The fact that there are patently more asshats on the interbutts now than there were in the 80s or the 90s is just due to the fact that there are indeed just more people in this vast series of tubes; ultimately proving that society in general has always been and always will be populated in the main by mouthbreathers, retards, bullshit artists and pedos. Just because we are slightly more aware of our place on the 'butts, (and hopefully because we've grown out of some of our youthful stupidity) we tend to notice it more. Like the geek in Sixteen Candles, we are "kings of the dipshits".

"Out of the crooked timber of humanity, nothing straight can ever be built", -Immanuel Kant.

[HaemishM]

Can we get Haemish to play DF? Convince Taco we're here to give an unbiased review with fraps to make sure he can't claim a whole 3 minutes logged in.

I would offer to play it and review it if someone would buy it for me, the truth is that I'm too goddamn busy watching TV, playing GOOD videogames and writing my novel to piss away time with some crackaddled Eurofag's idea of PLAYZ2CRUSHYO!!!!!

[Mrbloodworth]

Like the geek in Sixteen Candles, we are "kings of the dipshits".

Do i get a hat, i want a hat!

[Surlyboi]

Sure, you can have a hat...

[Shatter]

100 hours?  WTF?  If the average gamer played 5 hours a day(and most dont) that would take you 20 days or 3 weeks to come to a realistic review?  I would think an average gamer plays closer to maybe 3 hours which would be over 1 month lol.  As most said here you definitely dont need to play that long to make a review or come to a conclusion.  Hell, I played VG and came to a conclusion within 20 minutes.  I guess you should say the same for a blind date, as you sit across the table from some fat chick you have to put it to her a few times before you decide daddy no likey...yeah

[jakonovski]

Why would anyone play a game that requires tens of hours of not fun before having fun?

[Merusk]

Because they're hardcore, y0.

[Nebu]

Why would anyone play a game that requires tens of hours of not fun before having fun?

In the old days, these people were called MMO gamers. 

[Falconeer]

I would offer to play it and review it if someone would buy it for me, the truth is that I'm too goddamn busy watching TV, playing GOOD videogames and writing my novel to piss away time with some crackaddled Eurofag's idea of PLAYZ2CRUSHYO!!!!!

Want to borrow my bitch-account for a stroll? I beg you.

[Mrbloodworth]

Keen and Graev’s Gaming Blog: Eurogamer says Darkfall is as entertaining as the flu

[schild]

Keen and Graev’s Gaming Blog: Eurogamer says Darkfall is as entertaining as the flu

Who are these people and why are you linking them?

[Mrbloodworth]

Keen and Graev’s Gaming Blog: Eurogamer says Darkfall is as entertaining as the flu

Who are these people and why are you linking them?

Its a blog of some dudes that are generally level headed, play a lot of MMO's, and has spend more time than the Eurogamer reviewer. However, snark aside, his views are inline with that of the reviewer from Eurogamer.

I posted it as "a second opinion". As he directly talks about the first review of Darkfall, and agrees, in points, not tone, with them.

[schild]

Its a blog of some dudes that are generally level headed, play a lot of MMO's, and has spend more time than the Eurogamer reviewer.

The idea of "generally levelheaded" conflicts with "spent more time [than the Eurogamer guy] in Darkfall."

[UnSub]

I appreciate the fine irony of Darkfall - the game that couldn't keep its servers up, has multiple bugs / exploits on launch, where people couldn't subscribe, and so on - is waving around their server logs like they are some kind of Tome of Truth. And that people are believing them.

[DLRiley]

Why would anyone play a game that requires tens of hours of not fun before having fun?

In the old days, these people were called MMO gamers. 

I didn't know 2009 is considered the old days.