Casual MMORPG Guild?

[schild]

How much PvE before you're viable for the PVP?

Guild Wars doesn't function quite like that. It's a matter of picking spells before you go into battle. It's very much a tactical decision more than a level 10 vs level 5 thing. They've continuously said that level difference isn't going to be a difference in dominating pvp.

How quickly are they going to try to push out $50 expansions to offset the lack of a monthly fee?

Once every 3 months, though i'm sure after a year it'll be ever 5-6 months. Also, it's $30-$50 expansions. They haven't decided yet. If they are $30, I'd be more willing to buy 4 a year rather than 2-3 at $50.

How badly is not having an expansion going to fubar your experience?

It won't. People with the expansion can invite people without it into the expansion areas. The people who don't purchase them just can't go in them on their own.

Is the PvE going to be less crappy than what I saw in that one week play session?

Well let's see. It's diablo with a little twitch (you can dodge arrows, aim, etc). If you like that there's not really anything wrong with the combat.

This might be one title I wait a month or three on before jumping in.  Especially to see how long it takes the shiney to wear off the title. Definitely a title to look at though for a more casually oriented guild; no monthly is great for when you feel like playing something else for a while.

It's fucking Diablo! Why wait? It'd be one thing if there was a big EQ type world in it, but there isn't. You warp around, do an area, get out. Do you like Diablo?

My argument for this is funny, if WoW had anything to do with Warcraft III aside from graphics and world I would have been more inclined to go all fanboi on that too (cuz I love Blizzard - well, mostly Blizzard North). Meh. Guild Wars = Diablo 3D. (hahaha, 3, D, see what I did there?)

[Rasix]

How much PvE before you're viable for the PVP?

Guild Wars doesn't function quite like that. It's a matter of picking spells before you go into battle. It's very much a tactical decision more than a level 10 vs level 5 thing. They've continuously said that level difference isn't going to be a difference in dominating pvp.

More or I less I was wondering how long before you have a decent retinue of spells and abilities to choose from? If they're going for the Planetside model of flexibility over power when it comes to levels, then they've increased my likelyhood to buy by quite a bit.

And yes, I liked Diablo.  However, I disliked its sequel.  I know people think that game is free Jesus, but fuck, after a month I was glad to just walk away with a bad case of tendonitis.  But I do like the action/rpg style so I'm sure I could have decent fun with GW.

[schild]

Yes, it's flexibility over power.

[HaemishM]

Let me put a caveat on the casual guild thing.

I think that with games where instancing is used correctly, and I do NOT use EQ2 as an example of that, a casual guild is much more likely to be a workable idea. In a shitfest like EQ where there are static camps of monsters at the later levels, like dragons and such, doing such things with a casual guild is impossible, because the hardcores will continually beat you to the punch. In a game like CoH where it's more about instancing content for the group, casual guilds are much more likely to be able to exist with both hardcore and casual style players.

[Megrim]

Hey Schild, in GW when one creates a character, does there have to be a secondary class?

[schild]

Yes. From the most recent information I have, that is.

[Megrim]

Hrm... i don't suppose you could do a detailed info thread (like the EQ2 one) about GW when you have time or something?

It'd be really neat to know more about the game from a good source (since their website is a little bland and their forums link to the vault).

[doubleplus]

How about the list of available games we have now? What could we all jump into at this point in time to actually play together? Exclude betas.

[schild]

I've been thinking about getting some sort of online tracking thing so everyone could list their games and we could have like some sort of massive library so people could coordinate shit like that, double.

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Megrim, I am actually trying to get a team into the Guild Wars Alpha. I'm in touch with NCSoft but my contact is uhm....silent at the moment. Not sure what the issue is - as soon as I can get my hands untied on some information and a team in, you can be sure I'll start a thread.

[Moroni]

Sounds like pretty easy database work, but fuck if I know how to do it. The last thing I wrote shit for was dBase when I was ten and helping my mother's at-home business. It failed. The business, not the database.

[Merusk]

It's fucking Diablo! Why wait? It'd be one thing if there was a big EQ type world in it, but there isn't. You warp around, do an area, get out. Do you like Diablo?

No, I don't. I hated D2 & never played Diablo itself. When I tried playing D2 I couldn't get into it and it gave me wrist pains from all the clicking.  

So you're saying if I didn't like D2 I shouldn't bother with GW then?

[schild]

Do you like Diablo? I mean I can guarantee you at release it will be a strategy-centric pvp game with a single/group game PvE variant that basically comes down to treasure hunting.

[Merusk]

Er.. I thought I covered that.  No, I don't like Diablo.

Strategic PvP intrigues me.. random Diablo/ D2 loot doesn't. It's a treadmill of a different color, only worse because instead of foozles in a different setting it's the same foozles a billion times over until you win the lotto.  My luck sucks and I haven't won a lotto or casinos, ever.  If that loot is as important as I understand it to be in Diablo/D2 then I can give GW a pass.

[Riggswolfe]

I quite enjoy Diablo and Diablo 2. Other than Fallout and Fallout 2 I can't think of a game I've replayed more often. That said I found GW to be quite boring and badly designed in several aspects.

I'll mostly likely eyeball it when it comes out but I doubt I'll be purchasing it at this time.

[Gong]

on the topic of GW, I really got into it during the "E3 for Everyone" event they held last year. If you guys are interested, and it sounds like a few of you are, they are hosting another 'open house' sort of event on the weekend after this upcoming one (last weekend of october). Everyone will be able to download the client (the client itself is actually rather small, they use an interesting streaming content system so the game doesn't take up much HD space), and play the game all weekend at no obligation.

It sounds like the game has matured quite a bit since the alpha-level game that was presented at E3. This will be a good opportunity to check it out and see how the game is shaping up.

[Soukyan]

Yeah, E3 was really fun and I'll be trying out the next "open house" session also. As a side note, I highly disliked D2 and never played Diablo, but I found GW to be quite fun for the small amount of time I played it. It felt more like DAoC group vs. group combat than D2 to me, but I guess that's because I was more focused on the group combat strategy.

[Megrim]

As a side note, I highly disliked D2 and never played Diablo, but I found GW to be quite fun for the small amount of time I played it.

Well, roughly speaking, Diablo was to Diablo 2 as The Empire Strikes Back was to Jar-Jar Binks. Here is to hoping that GW has some honest to goodness quality gameplay.

 + thanks Shild

[HaemishM]

I liked the GW E3 event as well. The PVE was pretty boring, but the PVP was right nice. As long as I can do more of the latter than the former and be competitive, it's all good.

[Signe]

I also quite liked the E3 demo and, although I'm very afraid of the sort of community it might  attract, I plan to make GWs my game on the side.  Now, all I need is the right game for my main.  I'd be willing to join up with a casual GW guild.  I miss my PvP.

[angry.bob]

As far as casual guilds, The Bobs are as casual as it gets. There are no requirements to join or stay a member other than having "Bob" in your name. THe guild has fallen into extreme disrepair due lack of attention, but there really hasn't been anything worth playing since AoS broke UO. I'm planning on starting it back up for GW and WoW so hopefully they'll lend themselves to oour style of play. For information on what we're about, follow the link and start with the earliest archives.

[Moroni]

I have been a fan of the Bobs for a while. I think it might be time to break down and join. Thank you for the link.

[Slayerik]

I think I remember you from UO angry.bob ... if you're the same guy from Atlantic...

[doubleplus]

Was anything ever decided regarding this?

[Soukyan]

Regarding what? A casual MMOG guild?

[Roac]

There would've been a decision, but everyone is too uninvolved to do so.

[schild]

There's no decision because all games up to and including eq2 and WoW are for Catassers and catassers friends. Nothing casual about them. People say WoW is casual. But those people are playing it like 12 hours a day and jerkin it to pictures of dwarves and stuff. I don't trust them. The idea is madness until better games come out.

[Jamiko]

I've been beta testing WoW for several months. I play maybe 8 hours a week on the high end. The game is about as perfect as an MMORPG has ever been for me, even better than CoH. I preordered and will continue to play it.

As far as a casual guild is concerned, I was under the impression that it just doesn't work very well.

[doubleplus]

After playing a bit of GuildWars I can pretty much say it wouldn't work for what we're doing. It's not really massive enough and would require team speak since it's really easy to lose chat in the way the interface is set up. That and people seem to be a bit skewed when it comes to general perceptions of the game.

[schild]

After playing a bit of GuildWars I can pretty much say it wouldn't work for what we're doing. It's not really massive enough and would require team speak since it's really easy to lose chat in the way the interface is set up. That and people seem to be a bit skewed when it comes to general perceptions of the game.

We're playing mid level game. Generally the worst of any game. We don't know if it's massive at all. We can't judge this until there's an actual beta from level 1 - xx. Until then, I can guarantee there won't be a casual guild for WoW or EQ2.