The Mitchell Report

[Raging Turtle]

If I'm calculating the time difference correctly, we have under two hours untill the Mitchell Report is released, and an estimated 50 pro baseball players are named as steriod users. 

That means one thing: there's still time to place your bets on who's on the list!  My first pick would Clemens, but I see on ESPN that his name is already rumored to be in there, so I'll choose someone else.  I *will* bet that far more pitchers are going to be on the list than most would expect.  Kenny Rogers, I'm looking at you, Mr. revitalized-career/new-wild-emotions guy.

Being a Cards fan, I have to wonder if Pujols is going to be on there.  Or the fan favorties: A-Rod?  Jeter? Schilling?  The possibilties!

Personally, I believe there are more than 50 players taking illegal steriods in MLB.  And I hope every single fucking one of them gets banned from the game.

[Mrbloodworth]

If I'm calculating the time difference correctly, we have under two hours untill the Mitchell Report is released, and an estimated 50 pro baseball players are named as steriod users. 

That means one thing: there's still time to place your bets on who's on the list!  My first pick would Clemens, but I see on ESPN that his name is already rumored to be in there, so I'll choose someone else.  I *will* bet that far more pitchers are going to be on the list than most would expect.  Kenny Rogers, I'm looking at you, Mr. revitalized-career/new-wild-emotions guy.

Being a Cards fan, I have to wonder if Pujols is going to be on there.  Or the fan favorties: A-Rod?  Jeter? Schilling?  The possibilties!

Personally, I believe there are more than 50 players taking illegal steriods in MLB.  And I hope every single fucking one of them gets banned from the game.

All of them.

[schild]

Ichiro Suzuki.

[UD_Delt]

How comprehensive is the list they are going to publish? How far back does it go?

My longshot...

If it's reasonably comprehensive and goes back at least 5-8 years I would guess Omar Vizquel will be on it. There's no other explanation to how he's extended his career at shortstop going on 40 years old (IMO).

[Raging Turtle]

That's how I feel about Clemens.  (And possibly Brett Farve this year in the NFL.  But that's another thread.)

Mitchell had no actual supoena power, and it sounds like a lot may just be conjecture, but I'm sure enough names of actual takers are going to be outed that it's going to have some weight behind it.  No idea how far back it goes into naming people, but I think they started the report in 2006.

[SnakeCharmer]

Favre's been able to play so long due to lack of injuries.  He has rarely taken a hard hit - sacked, yes - but he protects himself well.

YOU LEAVE FARRRRVRRREH ALONE!!!

[Murgos]

All of them.

 

[Raging Turtle]

I lived in Wisconsin for six years; that means I get to criticize Farve once every other year.  Native Wisconsinites can do it every six months.

But really, he just got worse and worse for the past 3-4 years.  I'm skeptical of any miraculous sports comeback, but especially in the NFL where it destroys your body.   

[SnakeCharmer]

He didn't lose his velocity, though. 

Had he gone from throwing wounded ducks that barely made it 30 yards to throwing 60 yard laser strikes, I'd concede it to a certain degree (excusing better throwing mechanics).  But steroids won't make you more accurate, or get you better receivers.

[Margalis]

Many people are still way behind the times when it comes to steroids, thinking that pitchers don't use them because they make your muscles short and tight and wreck your velocity. Yes, many pitchers will be on the list.

If the list is only 50 names then it is not nearly complete. And in football let's be real here, steroid use is through the roof.

[Murgos]

But steroids won't make you more accurate...

I imagine they could, actually.  If your arm is stronger then you won't be operating as close to your limit to achieve the same results which should increase your accuracy.  Of course, anyone who gets stronger will probably just throw harder instead of better but that's besides the point.

[Rasix]

You'd probably be a lot more accurate if you had steroids buffering the beating your body takes.  It's not always to increase strength and speed, but to lessen the wear and tear your body takes and to aid in injury recovery time. 

That being said, I don't really care about baseball.

[Margalis]

Steroids will make you better at virtually every physical activity, as Rasix says if for no other reason than keeping you injury-free.

The distinction between strength and skill in sports with the notion that steroids only affect the former is an invention.

[SnakeCharmer]

OK.  To a certain point, I'll agree that steroids will help your accuracy in the long term (muscle fatigue, specifically muscle fatigue causing a breakdown in mechanics).  But hitting a baseball and hitting the strikezone is based on hand eye coordination. 

Having said that, using Bonds as an example, he was a fantastic hitter *before* he turned into the black Hulk - I'd argue that he's the best pure hitter to ever play the game.  The extra strength he developed allowed his off-the-sweetspot-hits to be stronger since he was able to muscle through it.  Essentially, there was more leverage behind an offcenter hit (the angle of attack wouldn't breakdown as much; if at all).  Same for McGuire. 

Also, if steroids faught off injury, Bonds wouldn't have undergone multiple surgeries on his knee and elbow, and other physical problems he's had over the last 5-7 years.

The distinction between strength and skill in sports with the notion that steroids only affect the former is an invention.

Guys that can't hit before steroids (or just buffing up in strength naturally) don't suddenly develop the hand eye coordination of Bonds afterwards.

[Rasix]

Also, if steroids faught off injury, Bonds wouldn't have undergone multiple surgeries on his knee and elbow, and other physical problems he's had over the last 5-7 years.

 

[UD_Delt]

And the list is out:

Marvin benard
Barry Bonds
bobby estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Shefffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny dykstra
david segui
larry bigbie
brian roberts
jack cust
tim laker
josias manzanillo
todd hundley
mark carreon
hal morries
matt franco
rondell white
roger clemens
andy pettite
chuck knoblauch
jason grimsley
gregg zaun
david justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd williams
phil hiatt
Todd pratt
kevin young
mike lansing
cody mckay
kent mercker
adam piatt
miguel tejada
jason christiansen
MIKE STANTON
stephen randolph
Jerry Hairston Jr
Paul Lo duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Feranando Vina
KEVIN BROWN
Eric Gagne
Mike bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett jr
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier “Nook” Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose guillen
Darren holmes
gary Matthews jr
John Rocker
Scott Schoenweiss
ismael valdez
matt williams
scott woodward

Edit to add link: http://frontrowsportsreport.com/2007/12/13/full-list-of-mlb-players-mentioned-in-the-mitchell-report/

Edit #2: Here's a better list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_named_in_the_Mitchell_Report

[SnakeCharmer]

Also, if steroids faught off injury, Bonds wouldn't have undergone multiple surgeries on his knee and elbow, and other physical problems he's had over the last 5-7 years.

 

I don't know why you're rolling your eyes when it's the truth.  He had, I think 3 surgeries in one year on the same knee.  Further, McGuire was hampered by back and knee injuries the last couple of years of his career.

I'm not saying he doesn't/didn't use them if that's what you're getting at.  If so, learn2read.

[Nebu]

Here are my questions:

1) Who cares?  

2) How much of my tax money is going into this witch hunt?  

[Nebu]

I'd say that HGH is much more beneficial in the recovery time from minor injuries.  Anabolic steroids do little to aid/prevent injury.  Corticosteroids are likely more beneficial due to their antiinflammatory actions but they don't do much to enhance performance (beyond alleviating pain caused by inflammation).

[Llava]

I think we, as Americans, deserve the biggest, strongest, fastest, most unnaturally superhuman athletes that science can create.  Good on these men for trying to do us proud.

[Nebu]

I think we, as Americans, deserve the biggest, strongest, fastest, most unnaturally superhuman athletes that science can create.  Good on these men for trying to do us proud.

It will be some time until we beat the East German women's weightlifting team. 

[SnakeCharmer]

 

[shiznitz]

If Major League Baseball vanished from the face of this Earth I would not be affected at all.

[schild]

THIS LIST IS SHOCKING

I LOVE STUDIES THAT REQUIRE NO RESEARCH.

JOSE CANSECO AND BENITO SANTIAGO

YES

SHOCK AND AWE

STEROIDS, AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE.

[Rasix]

Rick Ankiel

So much for that feel good story, ESPN. 

Personally, I'm a little shocked that schild knows the names of baseball players.

[SnakeCharmer]

Odd to not see McGwuire's name on the list.  

What was the name of the guy in the Viagra commercials that got busted a couple years ago?

[Rasix]

Raphael Palmiero

[Raging Turtle]

Big Mac stopped playing years ago, I think they only mentioned current players. 

It's odd, really.  What he was taking was both legal and allowed by the rules at the time, yet everyone treats him like crap.  I feel the same for Barry Bonds.  Yeah, he's an ass, but so are half the guys in baseball, and a good chunk of them are probably on HGH as well. 

[SnakeCharmer]

There's a number of players that have been out for a while, Conseco and Dykstra coming immediately to mind.

But yeah, I don't get the McGwuire hate either. 

Bonds gets the hate he deserves.  He's surly, rude, and a complete asshole. 

[Mrbloodworth]

THIS LIST IS SHOCKING

I LOVE STUDIES THAT REQUIRE NO RESEARCH.

JOSE CANSECO AND BENITO SANTIAGO

YES

SHOCK AND AWE

STEROIDS, AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE.

Apple pie with a slice of American cheese one it with CO2 Wiped steroid wiping cream!!

YAY!

[Trippy]

Here are my questions:

1) Who cares?  

2) How much of my tax money is going into this witch hunt?  

The Mitchell Report was commissioned by MLB (i.e. Bud Selig) not Congress.

[UD_Delt]

I think the McGuire hate comes from how he came off in his senate testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=942HcHKbOno

That's all I could find with a quick search but there was lots of talk about how he wanted to move on and be a champion for the cause blah blah blah and then he basically went into hiding.

[Margalis]

It's odd, really.  What he was taking was both legal and allowed by the rules at the time, yet everyone treats him like crap.  I feel the same for Barry Bonds.  Yeah, he's an ass, but so are half the guys in baseball, and a good chunk of them are probably on HGH as well. 

According to reports the stuff he was caught with was not the only stuff he was taking. In Canseco's book, which has turned out to be basically 100% accurate, he reams McGuire as his steroid injecting buddy. McGuire also refused to say on the record that he didn't take steroids.

Andro was only one of the many things McGuire was on. The guy is as dirty as you can get.

Edit: In Canseco's book he talks about how he and Mac would inject each other in the ass with 'roids. Anyone who thinks McGuire wasn't on the juice is fooling themselves.

Also although HGH is not a steroid it's typically lumped into the 'roids discussion as another illegal substance.

[Mrbloodworth]

So. Ok, this is a list of all steroid users...Currently (?) in baseball.

This means what?

[UD_Delt]

So. Ok, this is a list of all steroid users...Currently (?) in baseball.

This means what?

No this is only a list of steroid users that have been connected to one investigation or another (ie. Balco or various other busted distro's). It is in no way a comprehensive list.

It means baseball is dirty as fuck.