December 14th. "I am Legend." Fucking be there.

[Strazos]

I think I was like 12 or something when Independence Day was in theaters.

I liked it back then.

[Abagadro]

Ray Wise is currently taking a run at the best Satan ever on television.

[stu]

Is that for Reaper? I like that show. Too bad it's on the CW.

edit: Or hell, maybe that's a good thing.

[Signe]

Ray Wise is currently taking a run at the best Satan ever on television.

I love his character in that show!  I actually remember to watch it or record it. 

[Triforcer]

Ray Wise is currently taking a run at the best Satan ever on television.

I disagree.  If you'd ever seen John Glover play the role, you would know why.  I could find 100 people in ten minutes who'd look pretty much the same at an Old Country Buffet in Miami.

[Ironwood]

Seeing it and not being American might make it suck for all I fucking know.  If that is the case Ironwood gets a free pass, to hell with the rest of you.

Yes. 

Because there is quite literally nothing more aggravating than the five minute scene where the UK Brigadier with the posh accent thanks God that the Americans came up with a plan, since the UK troops were merely wanking and playing with their poo in the paddling pools.

It's not the only movie you guys pulled that shit with either.  And it fucking sucks.  You arrogant, arrogant cockholes.

[stray]

I hated that the French died. All of them it seemed...

Or maybe that was another disaster flick.

[Tebonas]

Yeah that scene was bad. Its the only thing I still remember about that movie (that and Apple obviously being Alien technology). Roland Emmerich sucking up to his new country of choice. Spineless manwhore.

[tar]

The best Satan ever to grace either the small or the large screen is John Glover.  Obscure pop culture cred if you can remember in what without looking it up. 

Possibly Brimstone? I know John Glover played Satan in that and it was a damn fun performance. Liked it a lot. Still waiting for it to come out on DVD 

[DraconianOne]

I don't recall ever seeing or hearing of Brimstone so it may not have made it over to these shores.

[Riggswolfe]

The best Satan ever to grace either the small or the large screen is John Glover.  Obscure pop culture cred if you can remember in what without looking it up. 

Speaking of ID. Jeff Goldblum did a decent Satan in a weird flick called Mr. Frost. The movie is worth watching maybe one time, but he does turn in a good performance in it.

Quick plot summary: Goldblum is a serial killer who may also be Satan. The whole movie he is in an insane asylum trying to convince his psychiatrist he is, because if he convinces a scientist he wins.

[Miasma]

Seeing it and not being American might make it suck for all I fucking know.  If that is the case Ironwood gets a free pass, to hell with the rest of you.

Yes. 

Because there is quite literally nothing more aggravating than the five minute scene where the UK Brigadier with the posh accent thanks God that the Americans came up with a plan, since the UK troops were merely wanking and playing with their poo in the paddling pools.

It's not the only movie you guys pulled that shit with either.  And it fucking sucks.  You arrogant, arrogant cockholes.

I had to turn off some awful, awful movie I was half watching on TV while playing a computer game last week because that was so bad.  Something set in modern day England about dragons taking over the Earth and a handful of Americans getting those worthless, cowardly, limeys to get off their asses and fight back .

[bhodi]

I had to turn off some awful, awful movie I was half watching on TV while playing a computer game last week because that was so bad.  Something set in modern day England about dragons taking over the Earth and a handful of Americans getting those worthless, cowardly, limeys to get off their asses and fight back .

That would be reign of fire. A truly awful movie.

[DraconianOne]

Speaking of ID. Jeff Goldblum did a decent Satan in a weird flick called Mr. Frost. The movie is worth watching maybe one time, but he does turn in a good performance in it.

Quick plot summary: Goldblum is a serial killer who may also be Satan. The whole movie he is in an insane asylum trying to convince his psychiatrist he is, because if he convinces a scientist he wins.

I love the concept behind Mr Frost although I think it would make a better book than film. 

[Typhon]

Speaking of ID. Jeff Goldblum did a decent Satan in a weird flick called Mr. Frost. The movie is worth watching maybe one time, but he does turn in a good performance in it.

I had forgotten about this movie.  I agree, he does a good job as Satan in Mr. Frost.  It's probably the only film I've seen of his where I felt like he was acting and not trying to be a film presence.

[Murgos]

It's not the only movie you guys pulled that shit with either.  And it fucking sucks.  You arrogant, arrogant cockholes.

Not an excuse but have you been to Hollywood?  The drive thru attendant at the McDonalds there thinks the world revolves around him.

These are the people who dumb down movies because 'Americans are too stupid to understand'.  According to the NSF in the working population of the US are about 30 million Americans who have at least a 4 year college degree (out of 140 million total workers in the US according to the Bureau for Labor Statistics) and another 10 million who don't work.  Hollywood isn't just looking down on you, they look down on everyone.

The funny thing is that as they loose revenue dollars because no one can stand to watch the idiot plays they create their reaction is to dumb the movies down even more.

[HaemishM]

So much to go over. Mars Attack sucked it. The ONLY redeemable part of that movie was the aliens walking around with the translators saying "WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS!" while blasting the shit out of everything. THAT was funny. The rest... I mean, WTF was the Pierce Brosnan/Sarah Jessica Parker heads on dogs thing? WHAT THE FUCK???

Brimstone was a cool show that never got the chance it deserved.

Reign of Fire was ok, not great, just ok. But it wasn't the kind of thing you need to think too heavily about.

Despite being a huge fan of Hellblazer and the Constantine character, I still liked the movie. No, it wasn't really Constantine, because Keanu is Keanu. But the story was decent, hitting some of the best beats in the Garth Ennis run. It was well shot and Keanu didn't do TOO bad a job with it, considering that he's, you know, Keanu.

Independence Day is the kind of movie Michael Bay will remake in 10 years, because there just aren't enough FUCKING EXPLOSIONS AND MILITARY KNOBSLOBBING for him. Again, it was fun to see on the big screen, but God it was a thoroughly brain dead movie. ID is the kind of movie George Bush sees playing in his head when he talks about Iraq.

[DraconianOne]

So much to go over. Mars Attack sucked it. The ONLY redeemable part of that movie was the aliens walking around with the translators saying "WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS!" while blasting the shit out of everything. THAT was funny. The rest... I mean, WTF was the Pierce Brosnan/Sarah Jessica Parker heads on dogs thing? WHAT THE FUCK???

That was the beauty of it - the sheer absurdity of it all.  Jack Black surrendering to the martians by waving the US flag, using Easter Island as a bowling alley, the two boys who play video games all day, Tom Jones!  Just the fact that they used Slim Whitman as the method to kill the martians was fucking inspired and a real poke in the eye at all the other invasion films where the humans eventually win.  (Like fucking Signs, that fucking Shyamalan fucking hack fucking fuck!)

The first act of ID4 was great to watch - the whole arrival of the aliens, the destruction of the cities and even the repulsion of the initial counter attack were great.  Big bada boom.  After that, the only person we see die is the First Lady in some hokey "tell them... I love them!" scene.  The writing is terrible, the acting is appalling (with special mention going to Brent Spiner) and the direction is abysmal.  Roland Emmerich believes he can film epic just like David Lean can but he just hasn't got a fucking clue.  He takes what could be potentially epic and makes it look like a particularly cheap episode of some dodgy Star Trek rip off.

I know Hoax has got a bee in his panties over people slating ID4 but for the most part, it's just not a very good film.  And yeah, I'm with Ironwood - the american jingoism jarred too much for non-US people.

[schild]

I think the first mistake is calling "ID4" a "film."

It's a movie. Not a film.

If you think about it as more than that, you can't be entertained by it.

[stray]

Die Hard is a movie.

[DraconianOne]

I think the first mistake is calling "ID4" a "film."

It's a movie. Not a film.

If you think about it as more than that, you can't be entertained by it.

Toe-may-toe, toe-mar-toe. 

Anyway, what sort of fuckarse arbitrary distinction is that? 

[stray]

My guess is that he thinks y'all are dissing it from the standpoint of "art", and not seeing it as the mindless blockbuster that it is.

Thing is, it's not all that great of a blockbuster either.

[Teleku]

Seeing it and not being American might make it suck for all I fucking know.  If that is the case Ironwood gets a free pass, to hell with the rest of you.

Yes. 

Because there is quite literally nothing more aggravating than the five minute scene where the UK Brigadier with the posh accent thanks God that the Americans came up with a plan, since the UK troops were merely wanking and playing with their poo in the paddling pools.

It's not the only movie you guys pulled that shit with either.  And it fucking sucks.  You arrogant, arrogant cockholes.

I do find it kind of funny you latched on to that so vehemently.  The idea at that point is that nothing in the world that anybody had tried against the aliens (including the Americans) had worked.  Everything was a failure.  We just happened to have an old alien ship that crashed from the 50's, which nobody else had, and our entire last ditch plan revolved around that.  The 5 second sequence the Brits got when we called everybody about it was just emphasizing that situation.

I mean, what else could they do at that point?

That doesn't stop shit from being stupid in the movie (the worst is "HAY, I KNOW, ILL MAGICALLY PROGRAM A GOD DAMN VIRUS FOR AN ALIEN COMPUTER SYSTEM.  GOOD THING THEY MUST USE MAC'S").  I just find it funny the things that set you off sometimes

I fall into the category on ID4 that it was alot better the first time I saw it, in theaters.  I remember really liking it (was one of the only movies that I ever saw twice in theaters).  Had great action and special effects, funny dialog, good pacing, etc.  Everything I could want from an action movie.

Then I saw it again on TV about a year ago, after having not seen it in forever.  Yeshhh, it really didn't stand up to the test of time at all.  Still has its parts, but watching it on TV long after the fact made it seem way worst than when I first saw it.

[schild]

Andrei Rublev is a film.
How Stella Got Her Groove Back is a movie.

It's really not a hard distinction. And it doesn't even require arrogance.

[Velorath]

Andrei Rublev is a film.
How Stella Got Her Groove Back is a movie.

It's really not a hard distinction. And it doesn't even require arrogance.

It's turning a technical term into an art fag term.

[Valmorian]

I do find it kind of funny you latched on to that so vehemently.

Pretty much every person I've talked to about ID4 up here took it the exact same way.  US arrogance in a movie.  Of course, we mostly just shrug it off, because it's pretty damned common in hollywood blockbusters.

[stray]

I know a couple of ex Lebanese freedom fighters who love the hell out of Rambo. Probably not for the reasons it's meant to be though.

[Ironwood]

Further, I wasn't stating my opinion in a vacuum :  I was asked the question.

[stu]

Reign of Fire was ok, not great, just ok. But it wasn't the kind of thing you need to think too heavily about.

My favorite scene from Reign of Fire didn't even have dragons in it. When I think of that movie I remember the characters doing a stage play version of Star Wars and then telling the kids in the audience that they came up with it themselves.  ...The kids were in awe.

[Merusk]

It's not the only movie you guys pulled that shit with either.  And it fucking sucks.  You arrogant, arrogant cockholes.

Not an excuse but have you been to Hollywood?  The drive thru attendant at the McDonalds there thinks the world revolves around him.

These are the people who dumb down movies because 'Americans are too stupid to understand'.  According to the NSF in the working population of the US are about 30 million Americans who have at least a 4 year college degree (out of 140 million total workers in the US according to the Bureau for Labor Statistics) and another 10 million who don't work.  Hollywood isn't just looking down on you, they look down on everyone.

The funny thing is that as they loose revenue dollars because no one can stand to watch the idiot plays they create their reaction is to dumb the movies down even more.

The misspelling makes this post truly, truly awesome.

[Riggswolfe]

Speaking of ID. Jeff Goldblum did a decent Satan in a weird flick called Mr. Frost. The movie is worth watching maybe one time, but he does turn in a good performance in it.

I had forgotten about this movie.  I agree, he does a good job as Satan in Mr. Frost.  It's probably the only film I've seen of his where I felt like he was acting and not trying to be a film presence.

Actually, he is better in the Fly. That is still probably my single favorite movie with him as the star. Though I like him alot in Buckaroo Bonzaii also. As for him in ID, I sort of viewed him as parodying himself in that movie since he always seems to play the braniac.

I enjoyed ID although I have to shut my brain off during any computer sequence. Getting my C.S. degree nearly ruined the movie for me before I just gave up and accepted it as nothing but fun fluff.

[Teleku]

Further, I wasn't stating my opinion in a vacuum :  I was asked the question.

Oh, I know, just saying I thought it was funny out of a whole movie filled with patriotic American rhetoric, you picked that one 5 second bit showing the British as an example.  It's obviously something that bugged you and stuck with you

[Murgos]

The misspelling makes this post truly, truly awesome.

Eh?  Whatever.  I'm pretty sure there is an internet rule that states that whenever you put down someone/something else in a message board post the poster inevitably will err in spelling.

"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way."  ~Mark Twain

[Evildrider]

I Am Legend looks pretty good, but I'm a sucker for Will Smith, sci-fi, no think, action fests.  Hell I like alot of movies that keep me entertained without the director/actors trying to shove a ton of their political or social views down my throat.  The last group of people I would listen to, when it comes to shit like that, would not come from Hollywood.

Oh btw.. Mars Attacks sucked.. and Tim Burton is overhyped garbage.  The only movie of his that I've watched more then once was Batman.

Reign of Fire was alright, as long as you take it for what it is.. Dragons and Christian Bale.

[Margalis]

The only good part of Reign of Fire was the last scene involving Matthew McCaunawhatever.